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DeezerShoove » 14 Mar 2026, 7:39 am » wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2026, 7:39 am

Right...  

A whole lot of thought did go into this but your kind can't accept inevitable consequences.
None of the "aftermath" surprises me at all. Why would this not have been considered as
probable collateral damage and "raccoon trapped in a corner" response?

You guys and the "nyeah, nyeah" stuff are scaring the soccer moms. Try to look at the long view.  

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I'm just tired of the brown guys lobbing **** back and forth for decades.
This past couple weeks are like pulling a bad tooth. Hurts at first but the relief may be worth it.
We'll see. I live in hope.

a good question to ask trump
 

Cannonpointer » 14 Mar 2026, 9:18 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2026, 9:18 pm

Iran is not a bad tooth. It's just a country, being a country.

The problem is not Iran - any more than the problem was affi or iraq or lybia or syria or egypt or somalia or venezuela or cuba or lebanon or vietnam or el salvador or nicaragua. Or **** Grenada. The problem is US imperialism. We COULD be one of the most successful republics on earth, instead of being a failing klingon empire and the lowest common denominator. 
 
We are at war with the world. The world isn't wrong. We are.

Islam ain't so good either.
Is it Jews they hate or Israel + America? Big difference.
Iran may have been a good tooth but how is it Iranians even cheered from afar? Must've went bad.

If you moved to a better country to escape America's evil,
would you be cheering for whatever country blew us up?
What evil would have America have had to do to me to make me cheer its destruction from afar?
^^^That's just me attempting to see their side of this ****.

If and when America fails completely, whatever takes top honors then will be wrong too.
History shows that again and again. Lonely at the top.

btw
Benny Franklin said "A republic, ma'am... if you can keep it."
An educated public would go a long way toward bettering our country but that battle has been lost.
The "protest du jour" culture is peopled with stupid ****.

End of rant  

DeezerShoove » 14 Mar 2026, 11:32 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2026, 11:32 pm

Islam ain't so good either.

Is someone making the argument that it is?

Should we guage ourselves by that standard?

DeezerShoove » 14 Mar 2026, 11:32 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2026, 11:32 pm

Is it Jews they hate or Israel + America? Big difference.
Iran may have been a good tooth but how is it Iranians even cheered from afar? Must've went bad.

If you moved to a better country to escape America's evil,
would you be cheering for whatever country blew us up?
What evil would have America have had to do to me to make me cheer its destruction from afar?
^^^That's just me attempting to see their side of this ****.

You seem to have an implicit premise that you're not being responsible for. I am going to ask you to correct that.

Is it your thesis that in the hypothetical event that some country started bombing the united states, that country - let's say Russia or China - would be utterly incapable of parading some American expats before their cameras cheering on the Russian or Chinese military? Because if that IS your implied thesis, I think you will agree with me that you are utterly and incontrovertibly full of **** - yes?

And if that is NOT your thesis, then even bringing that **** up is disingenuous and utterly irrelevant to the argument. The argument I have made is that we are klingons, we are the common denominator in dozens of big wars that we fight without bothering to declare and hundreds of small ones that don't even make the news, and that we are MEANT to be a republic at peace. In what way does "There are some people from there that cosign our ****" argue against that case?

DeezerShoove » 14 Mar 2026, 11:32 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2026, 11:32 pm

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The "protest du jour" culture is peopled with stupid ****.

The kind of people that would cheer their own country being attacked? I assume you agree that such people should not be granted much credence.

Cannonpointer » 14 Mar 2026, 11:44 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2026, 11:44 pm

You seem to have an implicit premise that you're not being responsible for. I am going to ask you to correct that.

Is it your thesis that in the hypothetical event that some country started bombing the united states, that country - let's say Russia or China - would be utterly incapable of parading some American expats before their cameras cheering on the Russian or Chinese military? Because if that IS your implied thesis, I think you will agree with me that you are utterly and incontrovertibly full of **** - yes?

And if that is NOT your thesis, then even bringing that **** up is disingenuous and utterly irrelevant to the argument. The argument I have made is that we are klingons, we are the common denominator in dozens of big wars that we fight without bothering to declare and hundreds of small ones that don't even make the news, and that we are MEANT to be a republic at peace. In what way does "There are some people from there that cosign our ****" argue against that case?

The kind of people that would cheer their own country being attacked? I assume you agree that such people should not be granted much credence.

You are telling me that all of the expats cheering are not being genuine? Seemed to be from many places.
They weren't exactly being "paraded before cameras" when a news organization told their man to not focus on the cheering crowd. That side seemed to be pushed out of the limelight rather than into a parade.
(I take it at face value that not everyone on Earth is entirely unhappy Iran got stomped on.)

I hate to see you lump me into a ball of mindless supporters simply because I don't hate Trump or ______ enough.
Be that as it may or may not be, I'm not for yet another US prolonged conflict.

I recall Spain not allowing planes to fly over when Libya was going to be bombed cuz QadaffyDuck was mean.
European countries don't always automatically cave. They're doing it again.
Is that worldwide isolation as you think it is? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not.

Once the dirty deed is done, it's easy to say "I was never for that." I don't trust any government...
...even oh-so-noble Spain and Italy.  
"Official condemnation" by anyone means very little to me.

I actually believe most people are secretly glad a bully beat the **** out of another bully.
Time will tell, my friend. I still live in hope.
In the fog of the immediacy, obscuration and propaganda reign supreme.
I fully admit to not knowing anything more than what some so-called experts spew both for and against.

I am not sure if I answered your charge very well but as always, I'm not pretending to know anymore than I do.
 
 

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 12:21 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 12:21 am

You are telling me that all of the expats cheering are not being genuine? Seemed to be from many places.

I don't watch teevee, so I'm taking your word that some people from iran have exhibited stockholm syndrome. Or whatever impels them to cheer  the destruction of their mother country. I never said they were not being "genuine", any more than the expats from America would be being "genuine." I'm telling you they are not RELEVANT. They are NOISE - not signal.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 12:21 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 12:21 am

I hate to see you lump me into a ball of mindless supporters simply because I don't hate Trump or ______ enough.
Be that as it may or may not be, I'm not for yet another US prolonged conflict.

I'm not lumping you. I'm deciphering you. It SEEMED that you think some number of cheering iranians has some meaning that I should take note of. I'm assuring you that I disagree.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 12:21 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 12:21 am

I recall Spain not allowing planes to fly over when Libya was going to be bombed cuz QadaffyDuck was mean.
European countries don't always automatically cave. They're doing it again.
Is that worldwide isolation as you think it is? ...

We are not isolated. We have more overseas bases than there are overseas nations. Makes ya pretty hard to isolate. But were ARE trending in that direction. Nations are scrambling to disentangle. We have bared our teeth, ceased to disguise our true ambitions.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 12:21 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 12:21 am

Once the dirty deed is done, it's easy to say "I was never for that." I don't trust any government...
...even oh-so-noble Spain and Italy.  
"Official condemnation" by anyone means very little to me.

I actually believe most people are secretly glad a bully beat the **** out of another bully.
Time will tell, my friend. I still live in hope.
In the fog of the immediacy, obscuration and propaganda reign supreme.
I fully admit to not knowing anything more than what some so-called experts spew both for and against.

...

I'm anti-war. There is no excuse for it. There is only propaganda for it.

The pretense that countries are begging for us to attack them is simply not credible. Iran has bent over backwards for decades, and still we invent reasons to attack them. Hell, Russia petitioned to join NATO. We said HELL no - we need an enemy.

When I say Iran has bent over backwards, I am not denying it has funded freedom fighters that oppose israel and the US. I'm not saying they have surrendered any and all strategic objectives or ceased to pursue those objectives. What I am saying is that they are a member state of the IAEA and have signed treaties allowing generous access to IAEA inspectors. TRUMP withdrew from that treaty - not Iran. And that fact, all by itself, utterly eviscerates the pretense that this war has ANYTHING to do with Iran not getting a nuclear weapon. WE HAD THAT. And we threw that in the bin, so that we could have this war.

If that cackling trollop were president, we would still have this war. It is in the nature of empire to expand or contract. Republics tend toward stability and peaceful relations.

You reference the propaganda on both sides and the confusion thereby generated. I certainly do not disagree. But I can assure you that I am not confused. I understand that we had every assurance against Iran getting nukes, and we said **** that - where's the excuse for war in THIS ****? I can also read a pattern. This country has not known a day of peace in my lifetime. We are the common denominator.
 
 

Cannonpointer » 15 Mar 2026, 12:44 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 12:44 am

I don't watch teevee, so I'm taking your word that some people from iran have exhibited stockholm syndrome. Or whatever impels them to cheer  the destruction of their mother country. I never said they were not being "genuine", any more than the expats from America would be being "genuine." I'm telling you they are not RELEVANT. They are NOISE - not signal.

I'm not lumping you. I'm deciphering you. It SEEMED that you think some number of cheering iranians has some meaning that I should take note of. I'm assuring you that I disagree.

We are not isolated. We have more overseas bases than there are overseas nations. Makes ya pretty hard to isolate. But were ARE trending in that direction. Nations are scrambling to disentangle. We have bared our teeth, ceased to disguise our true ambitions.

I'm anti-war. There is no excuse for it. There is only propaganda for it.

The pretense that countries are begging for us to attack them is simply not credible. Iran has bent over backwards for decades, and still we invent reasons to attack them. Hell, Russia petitioned to join NATO. We said HELL no - we need an enemy.

When I say Iran has bent over backwards, I am not denying it has funded freedom fighters that oppose israel and the US. I'm not saying they have surrendered any and all strategic objectives or ceased to pursue those objectives. What I am saying is that they are a member state of the IAEA and have signed treaties allowing generous access to IAEA inspectors. TRUMP withdrew from that treaty - not Iran. And that fact, all by itself, utterly eviscerates the pretense that this war has ANYTHING to do with Iran not getting a nuclear weapon. WE HAD THAT. And we threw that in the bin, so that we could have this war.

If that cackling trollop were president, we would still have this war. It is in the nature of empire to expand or contract. Republics tend toward stability and peaceful relations.

You reference the propaganda on both sides and the confusion thereby generated. I certainly do not disagree. But I can assure you that I am not confused. I understand that we had every assurance against Iran getting nukes, and we said **** that - where's the excuse for war in THIS ****? I can also read a pattern. This country has not known a day of peace in my lifetime. We are the common denominator.

were they cheering also becausev they thought america would remove the sanctions?

america is very good at sanctioning other countries which hurt the people.

jerrab » 15 Mar 2026, 1:34 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 1:34 am

were they cheering also becausev they thought america would remove the sanctions?

america is very good at sanctioning other countries which hurt the people.

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• Secondary Sanctions: The U.S. actively targets third-country entities (particularly in China and India) that continue to trade with sanctioned Iranian sectors.
• FATF Blacklist: As of 2024–2025, Iran remains on the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) blacklist, making international financial transactions nearly impossible even for non-sanctioned entities.
• Humanitarian Exemptions: While OFAC maintains general licenses for medicine and food, banking restrictions and "over-compliance" often hinder the actual flow of these goods to Iranian civilians. 
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*Roshambo » 14 Mar 2026, 10:04 am » wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2026, 10:04 am

      by the time this is over Russia will be supplying natural gas and oil to Europe and Asia 100% full steam again.

YOU are a FOOL !

1)  Venezuela is TOAST... (America is now opening UP the Oil again, and USING the money to REBUILD them) !

2)  The Drug Cartels are in tatters... (Drug deaths in America are at all time lows, and crime in general... is WAY DOWN) !

3)  Iran has been De-nuclearized and now De-stroyed... (SOON, it will be handed over to the Iranian people to finish the JOB) !

4)  Russia is BLEEDING OUT as they are SLOWLY being DESTROYED by Ukraine... (with 1.5 million casualties, & Ukraine getting STRONGER every day) ! and...

5)  China... on the verge if civil WAR... With Xi teetering and the military NOT following his orders... it's ONLY a matter of time !

ALL of them are TOAST as long as Donald Trump remains America's President... and America and the FREE WORLD will ALL be BETTER OFF for it !!

SO, WHERE does that PUT YOU, and ALL the IDIOTS LIKE YOU?... who are cheering AGAINST Trump, AGAINST America, and AGAINST the Free World ?  

I would say that YOU (and people LIKE YOU) are the NEXT problems to be addressed !!  AND, need to be the FREE WORLDS NEXT Targets !!

           
 

ConservativeWave » 15 Mar 2026, 7:36 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 7:36 am

YOU are a FOOL !

1)  Venezuela is TOAST... (America is now opening UP the Oil again, and USING the money to REBUILD them) !

2)  The Drug Cartels are in tatters... (Drug deaths in America are at all time lows, and crime in general... is WAY DOWN) !

3)  Iran has been De-nuclearized and now De-stroyed... (SOON, it will be handed over to the Iranian people to finish the JOB) !

4)  Russia is BLEEDING OUT as they are SLOWLY being DESTROYED by Ukraine... (with 1.5 million casualties, & Ukraine getting STRONGER every day) ! and...

5)  China... on the verge if civil WAR... With Xi teetering and the military NOT following his orders... it's ONLY a matter of time !

ALL of them are TOAST as long as Donald Trump remains America's President... and America and the FREE WORLD will ALL be BETTER OFF for it !!

SO, WHERE does that PUT YOU, and ALL the IDIOTS LIKE YOU?... who are cheering AGAINST Trump, AGAINST America, and AGAINST the Free World ?  

I would say that YOU (and people LIKE YOU) are the NEXT problems to be addressed !!  AND, need to be the FREE WORLDS NEXT Targets !!

           

come and get me              
https://youtu.be/undKlkH7-gA

 
 

Cannonpointer » 15 Mar 2026, 12:44 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 12:44 am

some people from iran have exhibited stockholm syndrome. 

We are not isolated.  But were ARE trending in that direction. Nations are scrambling to disentangle. We have bared our teeth, ceased to disguise our true ambitions.

Iran has bent over backwards, I am not denying it has funded freedom fighters that oppose israel and the US. I'm not saying they have surrendered any and all strategic objectives or ceased to pursue those objectives. What I am saying is that they are a member state of the IAEA and have signed treaties allowing generous access to IAEA inspectors.
 And that fact, all by itself, utterly eviscerates the pretense that this war has ANYTHING to do with Iran not getting a nuclear weapon. 

You reference the propaganda on both sides and the confusion thereby generated. I certainly do not disagree. I understand that we had every assurance against Iran getting nukes, and we said **** that 

 This country has not known a day of peace in my lifetime. We are the common denominator.

I won't get into a typing exercise about this but I always feel between our barbs that there's a genuine conversation sneaking in. Something I wish there was a lot more of here by the way.  

If Iran was allowing generous access and allowing full disclosure about true intentions, I don't understand why Iran's "overly enriched" uranium is a factor in our relations with a third party (Russia). Seems like a Club Member ain't acting in good faith and Russia has pretty much validated that by demanding they get the stuff, not us.

Also, bending over backwards isn't what I say includes relabeling suicidal zealots as "freedom fighters". They seem like useful idiots every bit as much as we have here: Gubmints prey on people all the time. You say we do it here. I say they do it there. Tomato/tomahto.
Assuming (again) the news is true about a dumptruck full of enriched uranium (a biggie), silos full of I-hate-Israel-Missiles were in place, tunnels chock full of torpedo and mine-setter boats are now ready to clog the Strait, plus who-knows-what, Iran has a part to play in the propaganda war.

Were they **** with countries around them? Were there protests/demonstrations crushed by a chaotic Iranian government? Etc. etc. Lots of questions. There are a kajillion books written AFTER these global events because the truth in the midst of the fog is lost until some time has passed.
Credible sources probably exist and they will be stand outs, I'm sure. I can wait. Until then, I live in hope that my bad tooth metaphor is kinda close to the truth no matter how much you tell me it wasn't doing anything wrong.

I just don't trust any of the **** simply based "America is always wrong". That's not my go-to position. I'm as sick of another **** years-long war coming as anybody. At the same time, your position is that we need to take stuff (land, treasure, etc.) because we've lost our way and are going broke(r). There's certainly no shortage of ammo for that argument.

Remember the big WMD Iraq ****? That was called reasonable fear and credible evidence... blah, blah, blah. Saddam poisoned tons of his own citizens which only fueled the credibility of the rational response saber-rattlers. Lots of folks (including Iran) were happy to see that **** get his.
Then, magically, we found out he was lying and playing a shell game after the fact.
Instantly, America was wrong, a liar, imperialist, racist. blah, blah, blah...

The John Kerry position - "I was for it before I was against it" rings loudly even 22 years later . . . regarding Afghanistan but it's all the same ****.
People are no **** good.  I am tired of war.   
 
 
 

*Roshambo » 15 Mar 2026, 7:56 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 7:56 am

come and get me              
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pmdunj7fs8A
 

WOW... I'm SCARED !!

BUT it won't be ME coming for you !!  AND YOU... YOU sound JUST like the Ayatollah, and the HUNDREDS of Iran's TOP RULING elite... JUST BEFORE they went to see Allah !!

HEY, don't they say that Allah shows his pleasure for his PUPPET people by granting them VICTORY?  

HOW'S THAT working for YA ?

                                  
 

ConservativeWave » 15 Mar 2026, 9:38 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:38 am

WOW... I'm SCARED !!

BUT it won't be ME coming for you !!  AND YOU... YOU sound JUST like the Ayatollah, and the HUNDREDS of Iran's TOP RULING elite... JUST BEFORE they went to see Allah !!

HEY, don't they say that Allah shows his pleasure for his PUPPET people by granting them VICTORY?  

HOW'S THAT working for YA ?

                                  

You are a ****** 
                                  
 
 

*Roshambo » 15 Mar 2026, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:50 am

You are a ****** 
                                  
 

OH BROTHER.... & YOU'RE a PIP SQUEAK ****** !!

ROG62 » 14 Mar 2026, 11:41 am » wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2026, 11:41 am

Great assessment…
 
 

Where is the separation of church and state of minds? State is geographical, church is ideological the two are both hypothetical outcomes made real by one species pretending life exceeds time personally adapting in space now.

Spiritual paths to political directives creating notions of exemption and exception from natural positions inhabiting time daily here factually when actually equally adapting since conception.

Hell of a way to govern new world orders to a universal standard of evolving one at a time here now.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am

...I don't understand why Iran's "overly enriched" uranium is a factor in our relations with a third party (Russia)

Trump tore up the treaty in2016. It's been ten years.

Were you under the impression that Iran was required to stick with the treaty after we refused to honor it?

Dr. Google: "The main civil applications for weapons grade uranium include fueling research reactors, producing essential medical isotopes (like Molybdenum-99), powering specialized arctic icebreakers, and powering space exploration vehicles."

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am

...relabeling suicidal zealots as "freedom fighters".

Who told you that Hezbollah are "suicide zealots"? Get your money back. Wait - was the narrator from the 1980s?

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am

Assuming (again) the news is true about a dumptruck full of enriched uranium (a biggie), silos full of I-hate-Israel-Missiles were in place, tunnels chock full of torpedo and mine-setter boats are now ready to clog the Strait, plus who-knows-what, Iran has a part to play in the propaganda war.

Iran armed itself?

I wonder why. And how DARE they.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am

Were they **** with countries around them?

Are you on about the USA, or Israel?

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am

Were there protests/demonstrations crushed ...

Did you see it happen? 

Same refrain, just change the name. 50th verse, same as the first.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am

Lots of questions.

Yet so few that are relevant, fewer that are novel.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am

...no matter how much you tell me it wasn't doing anything wrong.

I never said it wasn't "doing anything worng." I said we had no call to blow them up. 

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am

 

That is not my position.We are rich beyond measure. We don't "need" to be klingons. We choose to be klingons.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am

Saddam poisoned tons of his own citizens which only fueled the credibility of the rational response saber-rattlers...

Of COURSE he was "killing his own people." They all do that right before we attack them. It's a YUGE hobby of most countries.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 9:29 am

I am tired of war. 

Tell that to whatever source you have for the "killing their own people" and "Dared to arm themselves" narratives.

I promise you I am far sicker of it than you are.I don't even TRY to defend it.
 
 

Cannonpointer » 15 Mar 2026, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 11:10 am

Trump tore up the treaty in2016. It's been ten years.

Were you under the impression that Iran was required to stick with the treaty after we refused to honor it?

Dr. Google: "The main civil applications for weapons grade uranium include fueling research reactors, producing essential medical isotopes (like Molybdenum-99), powering specialized arctic icebreakers, and powering space exploration vehicles."

Who told you that Hezbollah are "suicide zealots"? Get your money back. Wait - was the narrator from the 1980s?

Iran armed itself?

I wonder why. And how DARE they.

Are you on about the USA, or Israel?

Did you see it happen? 

Same refrain, just change the name. 50th verse, same as the first.

Yet so few that are relevant, fewer that are novel.

I never said it wasn't "doing anything worng." I said we had no call to blow them up. 

That is not my position.We are rich beyond measure. We don't "need" to be klingons. We choose to be klingons.

Of COURSE he was "killing his own people." They all do that right before we attack them. It's a YUGE hobby of most countries.

Tell that to whatever source you have for the "killing their own people" and "Dared to arm themselves" narratives.

I promise you I am far sicker of it than you are.I don't even TRY to defend it.

See? A typing contest...  
I'm already tired.

-

"Did you see it happen?"     Nope and neither did you.

And the stance "We are rich beyond measure."
Tell that to the ones absolutely convinced we are dying while watching economically speaking.
I thought you were one of them actually. I'm relieved.
FOS told me about 2 years ago I had about 10 decent years left...
Apparently the Yellowstone Caldera will swallow the hemisphere figuratively speaking... economic doom.

So, the Kurds din't get kilt by Saddam? The google even says he did.
Anfal campaign was probably bad potato salad at a picnic. That damned desert sun...

And lastly, yes, you can be way sicker than me of the war.
Wear that badge or hoist the trophy.
Doesn't matter that it took a deeper barrel for you to reach your bottom than me.
Your power to damn my opinion via that gravitas is noted.  

*Roshambo » 14 Mar 2026, 10:28 am » wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2026, 10:28 am

You will suck Muslim dick 

Isn't your daughter, (the one that is NOT biologically yours), half black with a Muslim faith?   
 

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 2:24 pm

See? A typing contest...  
I'm already tired.

Looks to me like a contest of ideas, not a typing contest.

I don't think your tryping is tired a-tall. I think your ideas are tired and SHOULD be re-tired. They've been boucing around for a long **** time. 

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 2:24 pm

"Did you see it happen?"     Nope and neither did you.

That's why I didn't make the claim.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 2:24 pm

And the stance "We are rich beyond measure."
Tell that to the ones absolutely convinced we are dying while watching economically speaking.

You don't know that resources and economies are different things? The continent of Africa is the richest in resources and the poorest economically on earth.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 2:24 pm

I thought you were one of them actually. I'm relieved.
FOS told me about 2 years ago I had about 10 decent years left...
Apparently the Yellowstone Caldera will swallow the hemisphere figuratively speaking... economic doom.

Ecological doom. Your distinctions are hazy today.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 2:24 pm

So, the Kurds din't get kilt by Saddam? The google even says he did.

Oh, okay - you have ONE (and it's an exceptionally greasy one).

The kurds were killed with the gas we gave saddam. Using saddam as "evidence" for the dozen others we've accused while ignoring where saddam got the gas and who gave the orders is disingenuous.  ONE example does not justify the fact that they say it e.v.e.r.y. s.i.n.g.l.e. t.i.m.e.

You bought it with assad.
You bought it with Putin.
You bought it with kim jong il.
You bought it with kim jong un.
You bought it with idi amin.
You bought it with Gadaffi.
You bought it with Iran.
Let's not forget Fidel. ANd Maduro.
And Noriega. And the Sandinistas. 

And you defend that credulity by pointing to saddam - WHO GOT THE GAS FROM US, and used it on people who were in open rebelion, seeking to peel off an ethno-state FROM IRAQ while Iraq was *** deep in a war against Iran at the deep state's behest. That is why he was told to just gas the **** - they were a distraction from the american agenda. Hell, it's quite likely that our own operatives took care of it, with or without saddam's blessing.

And I'm the argumentative asshole. Because I remember these things. I reject the propaganda - outright. It smells. It's noise. You mistake it for signal. And you pretend that a government which SPECIALIZES in creating dictators that run torture states deeply cares about anyone "killing their own people."

Meanwhile, ruby ridge and waco do not matter, nor do philadelphia or kent state or any of the slaughters that our government commits against us through official actions and unoffical actions like MK Ultra mass shooters. 9-11 gets a bye. You know the gov't abetted it, committed it - but that's okay because you have a war for dancing israelis to defend. You are excusing attacks on Iranians who are ACCUSED of behaving like the government you defend actually does behave, as a pattern.

 
 

Cannonpointer » 15 Mar 2026, 3:49 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 3:49 pm

Looks to me like a contest of ideas, not a typing contest.

I don't think your tryping is tired a-tall. I think your ideas are tired and SHOULD be re-tired. They've been boucing around for a long **** time. 

That's why I didn't make the claim.

You don't know that resources and economies are different things? The continent of Africa is the richest in resources and the poorest economically on earth.

Ecological doom. Your distinctions are hazy today.

Oh, okay - you have ONE (and it's an exceptionally greasy one).

The kurds were killed with the gas we gave saddam. Using saddam as "evidence" for the dozen others we've accused while ignoring where saddam got the gas and who gave the orders is disingenuous.  ONE example does not justify the fact that they say it e.v.e.r.y. s.i.n.g.l.e. t.i.m.e.

You bought it with assad.
You bought it with Putin.
You bought it with kim jong il.
You bought it with kim jong un.
You bought it with idi amin.
You bought it with Gadaffi.
You bought it with Iran.
Let's not forget Fidel. ANd Maduro.
And Noriega. And the Sandinistas. 

And you defend that credulity by pointing to saddam - WHO GOT THE GAS FROM US, and used it on people who were in open rebelion, seeking to peel off an ethno-state FROM IRAQ while Iraq was *** deep in a war against Iran at the deep state's behest. That is why he was told to just gas the **** - they were a distraction from the american agenda. Hell, it's quite likely that our own operatives took care of it, with or without saddam's blessing.

And I'm the argumentative asshole. Because I remember these things. I reject the propaganda - outright. It smells. It's noise. You mistake it for signal. And you pretend that a government which SPECIALIZES in creating dictators that run torture states deeply cares about anyone "killing their own people."

Meanwhile, ruby ridge and waco do not matter, nor do philadelphia or kent state or any of the slaughters that our government commits against us through official actions and unoffical actions like MK Ultra mass shooters. 9-11 gets a bye. You know the gov't abetted it, committed it - but that's okay because you have a war for dancing israelis to defend. You are excusing attacks on Iranians who are ACCUSED of behaving like the government you defend actually does behave, as a pattern.

So, we are an evil nation. You are here enjoying it as well.
And you keep telling me what I bought. You didn't see that either yet you claim it.

As your list of grievances grows throughout your entire life, why complain to me that I don't hate enough?
Again, though you claim you didn't, you lump me in with all the others that actually support war.
This is simply because I don't do all I can to "stay informed" about how evil we all are. My anger is at low ebb.
I see enough to know remorseless folks exist all over the place.

ps
What has your superior knowledge (over and above me anyway) accomplished? Besides satisfying my curiosity I'd just be more distrusting than I already am. Seems futile to amp it up another level simply to compete in these typing contests.
So, I am at the wall. You follow this tedious set of lies with a special interest that I do not possess.
My curiosity is at low ebb too.
That doesn't necessarily make me a war monger.

pps
I don't watch tv for information. Movies and cartoons.   

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm

So, we are an evil nation. You are here enjoying it as well.
And you keep telling me what I bought. You didn't see that either yet you claim it.

I'm just taking your word for it...

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm

As your list of grievances grows throughout your entire life, why complain to me that I don't hate enough?

Not asking you to hate - just answering your apologia for war with a firm nuh uh.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm

Again, though you claim you didn't, you lump me in with all the others that actually support war.

I'm just taking your word for it.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm

This is simply because I don't do all I can to "stay informed" about how evil we all are. My anger is at low ebb.
I see enough to know remorseless folks exist all over the place.

I guess there's blame enough to go around.

A bit of moral relevancy will surely restore life to those school children and cure their families' heartbreak.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm

ps
What has your superior knowledge (over and above me anyway) accomplished? Besides satisfying my curiosity I'd just be more distrusting than I already am. Seems futile to amp it up another level simply to compete in these typing contests.

AGAIN, I don't see it as a typing contest. I see it as a clash of ideas. I disagree with the whole blame-spreading thing, and I disagree with assuming a liar is telling the truth this time.

It's not like this is novel in any WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. This is fiftieth verse, same as the first. Maybe we can meet in the middle, and you can be persuaded to meet my level of outrage on the NEXT war of choice by a peace candidate that drives EVERY CONSUMER PRICE IN THE NATION upward (hide and watch the ripple - it's coming bigly and yugely, and it is going to hurt like hell).

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm

So, I am at the wall. You follow this tedious set of lies with a special interest that I do not possess.
My curiosity is at low ebb too.
That doesn't necessarily make me a war monger.

Not a full on monger, no - just an easy mark for propaganda.They're killing their own people, I tells ya! THEY'RE the problem this time. It's not like that other time, or that other time, or that other time.THIS time, they are at fault - not the people dropping bombs in a war of choice. I mean, we HADDA do it. We would MUCH rather have been attacking Cuba or Greenland, but those will have to wait on account of our DOODY in Iran.

DeezerShoove » 15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2026, 5:39 pm

pps
I don't watch tv for information. Movies and cartoons. 

I believe you. Propaganda has a way of oozing into every facet of life in Orwellian Murka.