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Vegas » 30 Mar 2026, 10:38 am » wrote: ↑

30 Mar 2026, 10:38 am

During his campaign, Trump promised "no more wars." That is one reason many people, including myself, voted for him. So why are we in a war? Because of course we are. It's just what our country does. It's an addiction that our government has. We have been around for 250 years and have known only 17 years of peace. Therefore, war is our trademark. 

But there is no way Trump can squeeze out of this one. He was on record saying "no more wars." But wait....oh there is a way to squeeze out of it. Just call it something else, like a "military operation, "an intervention", or my personal favorite "a campaign." Then poof! There you have it. He kept his promise. All he had to do is change a word. Easy peasy. 

Sadly, this is Israel's war. Trump bent the knee to NutsinYou, and now here we are.

he keeps changing the reason, never stops.
 

DeezerShoove » 01 Apr 2026, 9:11 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2026, 9:11 pm

Yeah. A buffer by another name.
More "neutral" especially to Russia.

Yes, precisely. Ukraine was precisely that - a buffer between east and west. A guarantee against a ground war between Europe and Russia. 

And the US decided toget up to some mischief - to plant an anti-russian coup government precisely on Russia's border.

Perhaps that is defensible toanyomne who doesn't own stock in balckrock or raytheon or boeng.

I would love to hear that apologia. 
 

DeezerShoove » 01 Apr 2026, 9:09 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Apr 2026, 9:09 pm

So far not enough time to really tell. Small sample size.
I'm used to Viet Nam and Afghanistan samples...  

My devil's advocate stance lately hasn't been getting rave reviews.

We are looking at many billions of dollarsin lost equipment and many billions more in damage to our bases. 

What this clowning will cost us in soft power is continuing to pile up. The fart smell that accompanies any and all representatives of the empire is going to take years to get off our butts.
 

Cannonpointer » 02 Apr 2026, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

02 Apr 2026, 11:42 am

We are looking at many billions of dollarsin lost equipment and many billions more in damage to our bases. 

What this clowning will cost us in soft power is continuing to pile up. The fart smell that accompanies any and all representatives of the empire is going to take years to get off our butts.

Unless this **** is wrapped up (US getting outta there) fairly quickly, it will become increasing hard to point out what good the mission accomplished. Even if there was some actual good (which is already a hard enough sell as it is).

That "soft power" cost you referred to... Are you pointing at PR, reputation, influence, confidence...?
That type of stuff?

DeezerShoove » 02 Apr 2026, 3:58 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Apr 2026, 3:58 pm

Unless this **** is wrapped up (US getting outta there) fairly quickly, it will become increasing hard to point out what good the mission accomplished. Even if there was some actual good (which is already a hard enough sell as it is).

That "soft power" cost you referred to... Are you pointing at PR, reputation, influence, confidence...?
That type of stuff?

I'm talking about other countries' leaders trusting a word we say, at any level of the diplomatic spectrum. I'm talking about other countries continuing to purchasde weapons from our MIC, given that Trump snatched back paid-for goods, and given that Trump showed the world our super-duper high-tech golly-gee billion dollar weapons can be depleted to nothing within weeks by paper airplanes and cardboard kites.

I'm talking about the US being asked in the coming weeks to please get our asses out of their countries - "their" meaning the Arab States who are members of the Abraham Accords. 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 02 Apr 2026, 4:46 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Apr 2026, 4:46 pm

I'm talking about other countries' leaders trusting a word we say, at any level of the diplomatic spectrum. I'mtalking about other countries continuing topurchasde weapons from our MIC, given that Trump snatched back paid-for goods, and given that Trump showed the world our super-super high-tech golly-gee billion dollar weapons can be depleted to nothing within weeks by paper airplanes and cardboard kites.

I'm talking about the US being asked in the coming weeks to please get our asses out of their countries - "their" meaning the Arab States whoare members of the Abraham Accords.

We're are on the same page with that.
PR, credibility, allies' confidence, etc.
To be honest, all that **** isn't all that plentiful in either direction. No doubt we've squandered ours somewhat but dealing with EU trash and "self-righteous when it suits them" types shouldn't garner them any trophies either. Governments generally suck. A necessary evil as it were.
 
 
 

DeezerShoove » 02 Apr 2026, 5:08 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Apr 2026, 5:08 pm

We're are on the same page with that.
PR, credibility, allies' confidence, etc.
To be honest, all that **** isn't all that plentiful in either direction. No doubt we've squandered ours somewhat but dealing with EU trash and "self-righteous when it suits them" types shouldn't garner them any trophies either. Governments generally suck. A necessary evil as it were.

The EU has squandered its relevance, It's an international punchline. 

The EU countries were walkin in high cotton. Then the US said "**** the EU" (LITTERALLY SAID **** THE EU, ON AUDIO), and chumped the vast majority of member states into telling Russia to shove their cheap gas and oil. The rest is just SMH history. 

We are now OFFICIALLY in a multi-polar world - no take backs, no erasing, 2026. Trump stood in front of the entire planet and admitted that the US is unable to fix what it broke - is unable to protect commerce. You cannot pretend to police the world while the strait of hormuz is closed and you are unable to open it. 

Nobdoy on earth missed the fact that the US was snatching missiles from SK to defend itself and israel from a nation it desperately lied was entirely defeated. 

That Monroe Doctrine? We're not gonna shove it down the world's throat. The world is going to shove it down ours. And this CAN BE A VERY, VERY GOOD THING.

We might just get our republic back by accident. The retarded MIGA rats might have bubba gumped us into a wonderful position. 

Cannonpointer » 02 Apr 2026, 6:17 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Apr 2026, 6:17 pm

The EU has squandered its relevance, It's an international punchline. 

The EU countries were walkin in high cotton. Then the US said "**** the EU" (LITTERALLY SAID **** THE EU, ON AUDIO), and chumped the vast majority of member states into telling Russia to shove their cheap gas and oil. The rest is just SMH history. 

We are now OFFICIALLY in a multi-polar world - no take backs, no erasing, 2026. Trump stood in front of the entire planet and admitted that the US is unable to fix what it broke - is unable to protect commerce. You cannot pretend to police the world while the strait of hormuz is closed and you are unable to open it. 

Nobdoy on earth missed the fact that the US was snatching missiles from SK to defend itself and israel from a nation it desperately lied was entirely defeated. 

That Monroe Doctrine? We're not gonna shove it down the world's throat. The world is going to shove it down ours. And this CAN BE A VERY, VERY GOOD THING.

We might just get our republic back by accident. The retarded MIGA rats might have bubba gumped us into a wonderful position.

europe may also be tired of the US letting israel getting away with murder.