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FJB » 14 Apr 2026, 7:51 am » wrote: ↑

14 Apr 2026, 7:51 am

so you admit 

Will you, or won't you, kill yourself? 
 

Blackvegetable » 14 Apr 2026, 7:53 am » wrote: ↑

14 Apr 2026, 7:53 am

Will you, or won't you, kill yourself?

you just admitted that you don't have the proof... stop making a total *** out of yourself now

Getting back to the original topic, 'Left wing Iran supporters' ... I don't believe there are any, in the proper sense of the word 'supporter'.

There may well be 'left wing' supporters of the governments of China, of Cuba, of pre-kidnap Venezuela ... because these governments nominally consider themselves 'left wing'. (Although it should be noted that there are many Leftwingers who are strong opponents of these governments, as well. Like the Right, the Left is not politically monolithic.)

And, at the time of the Iranian Revolution in 1979, there were indeed Leftists -- in fact the great majority -- who did not understand that the Khomeini people meant what they said about imposing Islam on Iran. They believed that the Islamists would just be a temporary phenomenon, a diversion of the genuine anti-imperialist sentiment of the Iranian masses. They equated 'anti-imperialist' with 'left wing/democratic'.

But now, I would be very surprised to find someone who is at the same time a Leftist, and a supporter of the Iranian regime.

However ... you can be a political opponent of a regime, and also want it to defeat another country's attack on it. Most Americans, of whatever political persuasion, wanted to see the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union defeated, without becoming supporters of Joseph Stalin.

So of course most Leftists want to see Trump/Israel's attack on Iran defeated, without at the same time approving of the Iranian government.

There are plenty of things wrong with the Leftist view of the world. Conservatives need to attack the erroneous views that Leftists actually hold, rather than something attributed to them that they don't actually believe.

Doug1943 » 14 Apr 2026, 8:17 am » wrote: ↑

14 Apr 2026, 8:17 am

Getting back to the original topic, 'Left wing Iran supporters' ... I don't believe there are any, in the proper sense of the word 'supporter'.

There may well be 'left wing' supporters of the governments of China, of Cuba, of pre-kidnap Venezuela ... because these governments nominally consider themselves 'left wing'. (Although it should be noted that there are many Leftwingers who are strong opponents of these governments, as well. Like the Right, the Left is not politically monolithic.)

And, at the time of the Iranian Revolution in 1979, there were indeed Leftists -- in fact the great majority -- who did not understand that the Khomeini people meant what they said about imposing Islam on Iran. They believed that the Islamists would just be a temporary phenomenon, a diversion of the genuine anti-imperialist sentiment of the Iranian masses. They equated 'anti-imperialist' with 'left wing/democratic'.

But now, I would be very surprised to find someone who is at the same time a Leftist, and a supporter of the Iranian regime.

However ... you can be a political opponent of a regime, and also want it to defeat another country's attack on it. Most Americans, of whatever political persuasion, wanted to see the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union defeated, without becoming supporters of Joseph Stalin.

So of course most Leftists want to see Trump/Israel's attack on Iran defeated, without at the same time approving of the Iranian government.

There are plenty of things wrong with the Leftist view of the world. Conservatives need to attack the erroneous views that Leftists actually hold, rather than something attributed to them that they don't actually believe.

There are many things to be upset about. Iranians allegedly chanting "Death to America" is not one of them...although the masses enjoy being whipped up into a frenzy.

You're not mad that Herr Starmer, your PM, is a tiny hat who is ruining your wonderful UK?
 

I'm a supporter of the new ReformUK party. I'm a 'patriot' of all liberal democracies. Culturally, I'm an American patriot, having been born and raised there. The world is increasingly interlocked, and if you're a supporter of liberal democracy, you should be concerned about its fate in every country.

The UK government has the same problem that other welfare states -- indeed all states -- do: the number of things it wants to spend money on is infinite, its source of money finite. The average voter, everywhere, is necessarily limited in his knowledge of history, of human society, of world affairs. If he's lucky, he gets political leaders who are not limited in this way (or, more likely, have advisors who are not limited in this way.

Thus we were all lucky when, by historic accident, the British got Churchill. The average British voter was heavily influenced by the 'dull carnage' of World War I, and desperately wanted to avoid another world war. Churchill saw that, given Hitler's character, war was unavoidable. Had he been killed by the taxi that hit him on a visit to New York in the early 30's, the Conservative government at the end of the 30's would probably have done a deal with Hitler that allowed him to concentrate all his forces against the Soviet Union, and quite possibly conquer it. We would be living in a very different world had that happened.

Trump is a historic accident, just like Churchill. He may affect world history as radically as Churchill did.

As for Iranians chanting 'Death to America', yes, that's trivial. Anti-American sentiment is fairly widespread around the globe, for various reasons. There are plenty of Iranians who would be overjoyed to see the 82nd Airborne and the USMC appearing on their streets, probably including some who were chanting 'Death to America' in 1979.

To understand Iran, you need to know about a fellow named Mohammed Mossadegh and also about an Iranian organization called Savak. Look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

Doug1943 » 14 Apr 2026, 8:17 am » wrote: ↑

14 Apr 2026, 8:17 am

Getting back to the original topic, 'Left wing Iran supporters' ... I don't believe there are any, in the proper sense of the word 'supporter'.

There may well be 'left wing' supporters of the governments of China, of Cuba, of pre-kidnap Venezuela ... because these governments nominally consider themselves 'left wing'. (Although it should be noted that there are many Leftwingers who are strong opponents of these governments, as well. Like the Right, the Left is not politically monolithic.)

And, at the time of the Iranian Revolution in 1979, there were indeed Leftists -- in fact the great majority -- who did not understand that the Khomeini people meant what they said about imposing Islam on Iran. They believed that the Islamists would just be a temporary phenomenon, a diversion of the genuine anti-imperialist sentiment of the Iranian masses. They equated 'anti-imperialist' with 'left wing/democratic'.

But now, I would be very surprised to find someone who is at the same time a Leftist, and a supporter of the Iranian regime.

However ... you can be a political opponent of a regime, and also want it to defeat another country's attack on it. Most Americans, of whatever political persuasion, wanted to see the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union defeated, without becoming supporters of Joseph Stalin.

So of course most Leftists want to see Trump/Israel's attack on Iran defeated, without at the same time approving of the Iranian government.

There are plenty of things wrong with the Leftist view of the world. Conservatives need to attack the erroneous views that Leftists actually hold, rather than something attributed to them that they don't actually believe.

Nice post Doug! Definitely stands out compared to most of the troll posts here on NHB.

One month ago there were pro-Iranian "Hands off Iran" protests across the US. I can assure you they were not organized by conservative groups. I imagine many attended just as an anti-Trump position but odds are there were actually Iran supporters attending. Most of those supporters probably are not even aware of the marriage laws in Iran.

If you haven't noticed, many of the left wing posters that used to visit here are no longer around. Being labeled "child predators" by CP and his gang was too much for them to handle. 

Stick around and post some more, it can only improve this dump!