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Since you presume to have such a vast and thorough understanding of jobs and the economy, Johnny, why don't you explain to us how beneficial it is for taxpayers to continue to provide the tens of thousands of make-work government jobs that liberal idiot Biden added to the government's payroll to do nothing more than increase regulations and muddle the bureaucracy for the rest of the country? Do you not understand the fact that cutting thousands of useless bureaucrats SAVES our country billions of dollars and IS NOT a net cost to the economy when those jobs are cut?  If those jobs were SO essential and vital for the economy, then why wouldn't we just immediately hire 100,000 new government workers to dig a hole in the ground and another 100,000 to fill them in, and give every one of them a $100,000 salary?  Think of how great the job creation totals will appear to ignorant liberals like you!  And that's basically what your demented idiot Biden did in order to help coverup his lousy economy, and that stupidity is now being rectified by President Trump.   Government jobs (aside from the military) DO NOT "help" the economy!  They hurt it by forcing taxpayers to fund THOSE meaningless jobs instead of letting the free market determine where those dollars were better spent on their own individual needs.  Biden's expanded the climate change hoax by hiring 300,000 new workers, and with the additional regulations they authorized, it cost this country nearly a trillion dollars that was all proven to be a worthless expenditure thanks to Biden, and it is now being corrected by Trump! Care to tell us how so much wasteful spending and fraud was beneficial for the country, dimwit?

Zeets2 » 13 Jun 2026, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 10:15 am

Since you presume to have such a vast and thorough understanding of jobs and the economy, Johnny, why don't you explain to us how beneficial it is for taxpayers to continue to provide the tens of thousands of make-work government jobs that liberal idiot Biden added to the government's payroll to do nothing more than increase regulations and muddle the bureaucracy for the rest of the country? Do you not understand the fact that cutting thousands of useless bureaucrats SAVES our country billions of dollars and IS NOT a net cost to the economy when those jobs are cut?  If those jobs were SO essential and vital for the economy, then why wouldn't we just immediately hire 100,000 new government workers to dig a hole in the ground and another 100,000 to fill them in, and give every one of them a $100,000 salary?  Think of how great the job creation totals will appear to ignorant liberals like you!  And that's basically what your demented idiot Biden did in order to help coverup his lousy economy, and that stupidity is now being rectified by President Trump.   Government jobs (aside from the military) DO NOT "help" the economy!  They hurt it by forcing taxpayers to fund THOSE meaningless jobs instead of letting the free market determine where those dollars were better spent on their own individual needs.  Biden's expanded the climate change hoax by hiring 300,000 new workers, and with the additional regulations they authorized, it cost this country nearly a trillion dollars that was all proven to be a worthless expenditure thanks to Biden, and it is now being corrected by Trump! Care to tell us how so much wasteful spending and fraud was beneficial for the country, dimwit?

I am not in disagreement that Government needs to be more efficient. Process Improvement is continuous.   Wait for November.

The damage Trump has done to that is a YUGE amount of Corruption.

The DOGE Geeekstapo took a copy of 550 Million Americans personal data, alive and dead...   That can't be beneficial in the hands of bad actors..
 
 
Suck your your your Shamboner..

https://youtu.be/bbr60I0u2Ng?si=Tx1X6ieyvNqNlTgS

 

Zeets2 » 13 Jun 2026, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 10:15 am

Since you presume to have such a vast and thorough understanding of jobs and the economy, Johnny, why don't you explain to us how beneficial it is for taxpayers to continue to provide the tens of thousands of make-work government jobs that liberal idiot Biden added to the government's payroll to do nothing more than increase regulations and muddle the bureaucracy for the rest of the country? 

Let's see the data series first, Zeet..

Blackvegetable » 13 Jun 2026, 10:07 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 10:07 am

you posted this...BLS says "about 180,000 for the ENTIRE year, NATIONWIDE.....SHOW US WHERE THAT IS IN YOUR CHART. SHOW US WHERE THAT IS STATED BY BLS....ANYWHERE. U R a STONE-COLD LIAR. U R A STONE-COLD COWARD TOO.....one of the BIGGEST LIES told on here...BLS says "about 180,000 for the ENTIRE year, NATIONWIDE......and said by you.
 

MR-7 » 13 Jun 2026, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 10:55 am

you posted this...BLS says "about 180,000 for the ENTIRE year, NATIONWIDE.....SHOW US WHERE THAT IS IN YOUR CHART. SHOW US WHERE THAT IS STATED BY BLS....ANYWHERE. U R a STONE-COLD LIAR. U R A STONE-COLD COWARD TOO.....one of the BIGGEST LIES told on here...BLS says "about 180,000 for the ENTIRE year, NATIONWIDE......and said by you.

You are rich to complain about lies..   I thought that was a standard MO for MAGAts.

Can you provide any evidence job creation was greater than 180K total?  Is there any evidence to trust in this corrupt atmosphere?

You're a loser Seven.  Join the tide pushing Trump out the Potomac to Sea. He is going to take the money and run to Albania. Probably on a pardon in exile. With sanctions and siezures in place hopefully.

 
 

Blackvegetable » 13 Jun 2026, 10:06 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 10:06 am

With the release of January 2026 data on February 11, 2026, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) introduced its annual revision to national estimates of employment, hours, and earnings from the Current Employment Statistics (CES) monthly survey of nonfarm establishments. 

The March 2025 benchmarked, seasonally adjusted employment level for total nonfarm employment is 158,377,000. The not seasonally adjusted benchmarked employment level is 157,540,000. 

Compared with the sample-based, seasonally adjusted published estimate for March 2025, total nonfarm employment had a revision of −898,000 or −0.6 percent. The not seasonally adjusted total nonfarm employment estimate was revised by −862,000 or −0.5 percent.

STUPID ****..., you’re posting a March revision and pretending it’s an annual total. If the BLS actually said 180,000 for the whole year, you’d be able to point to it...but you can’t.
 

JohnnyYou » 13 Jun 2026, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 10:29 am

I am not in disagreement that Government needs to be more efficient. 

The damage Trump has done to that is a YUGE amount of Corruption.

Trump has EXPOSED the corruption running rampant through Biden's administration!
 Never heard of The Quality Learing Center?:


Read on, numbnuts:

Everything to Know About the Latest House Democrat Fraud Scandal
MSN by Phenix S Halley
 Another member of Congress has been indicted on federal charges, and  the news is shocking the Democratic party. FL Rep. Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick is now facing up to 53 years in prison for a fraud scheme that involved FEMA.

..and on:

The Archivist  Aug 25, 2025 by: Adrian Hawthorne
Democratic Party Rocked by Massive Corruption Scandals: $800,000 Embezzlement Case Exposes Systemic Pay-to-Play Culture

 A devastating wave of corruption scandals is engulfing high-ranking Democratic officials across the country, exposing what prosecutors describe as a systemic culture of self-dealing, financial fraud, and abuse of public trust that has reached into the highest levels of party leadership. 

The Los Angeles Scandal: A Web of Financial Deceit
The corruption investigation that has ensnared LA City Councilman Curren Price represents one of the most complex cases of municipal fraud in recent CA history. The LA District Attorney filed two additional charges against the Democratic councilman bringing the total criminal activity to over $800,000 in misappropriated public funds.

..and on:

These are the Democrats who’ve been arrested, detained or charged under Trump
by Ashleigh Fields - 06/18/25

NYC Comptroller Brad Lander
Several ICE agents handcuffed NYC Comptroller Brad Lander, outside an immigration court Tuesday for impeding law enforcement officers. 

Rep. LaMonica McIverRep. LaMonica McIver (NJ) was federally charged for allegedly interfering with ICE agents during a visit to the Delaney Hall detention center in Newark, for congressional oversight.

Judge Hannah Dugan Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan was indicted by a federal grand jury in  May for “knowingly” concealing a migrant.

and on:

Democratic congresswoman charged with stealing $5M in FEMA funds, making illegal campaign contributions: DOJ
The indictment alleges the $5 million was an overpayment on a contract.
By Alexander Mallin, John Parkinson, and Lauren Peller
Nov 20, 2025

 Dem Rep. Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick, of Fl, has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of stealing $5 million in FEMA funds, which she is accused of laundering to support her 2021 campaign.

 
 

JohnnyYou » 13 Jun 2026, 11:05 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 11:05 am

Can you provide any evidence job creation was greater than 180K total?

Hey Golliwog, bv made the claim that "BLS says about 180,000 for the ENTIRE year, NATIONWIDE"...........
It's 100% FALSE. A flat-out LIE. If you would put a little more effort into actually reading and understanding something, you would not be so GOD DAMNED **** IGNORANT.
 

Blackvegetable » 13 Jun 2026, 10:54 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 10:54 am

Let's see the data series first, Zeet..

Oh, so you think there's data available that shows how Biden's waste of almost a trillion dollars he threw at the hoax of climate change was a worthy venture?
Think the "data" you demand to see would show that Biden's stupidity DIDN'T cause the price of gas and diesel to skyrocket or the inflation rate to rise to the highest level in 40 years of 9.1%?

Why don't you come up with some data that shows how Biden's idiotic hiring of hundreds of thousands of new federal bureaucrats like the 86,000 new ARMED IRS agents he wanted was actually beneficial to the economy?
 

Zeets2 » 13 Jun 2026, 11:35 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 11:35 am

Oh, so you think there's data available that shows how Biden's waste of


 

I want to see the objective facts which inform your Stream of Bullzeet.

 

Blackvegetable » 13 Jun 2026, 11:41 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 11:41 am

I want to see the objective facts which inform your Stream of Bullzeet.

When will you say goodbye to the forum? 
 

MR-7 » 13 Jun 2026, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 11:10 am

STUPID ****..., you’re posting a March revision and pretending it’s an annual total. If the BLS actually said 180,000 for the whole year, you’d be able to point to it...but you can’t.

Subtract the revised January 2025 number from the revised December 2025 number...

Blackvegetable » 13 Jun 2026, 11:47 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 11:47 am

Subtract the revised January 2025 number from the revised December 2025 number...

The table you posted has two sections:

Levels and Over‑the‑Month Changes
Levels are total employment Slack Jaw...not job creation
Over‑the‑Month Changes are the actual job gains/losses
To get the annual total, you add the monthly changes, not subtract levelsYou are literally using the wrong column to calculate the wrong metric.You are subtracting employment levels and calling it job creation...you really are stupid...
 
 

MR-7 » 13 Jun 2026, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 11:54 am

The table you posted has two sections:

Levels and Over‑the‑Month Changes
 Levels are total employment Slack Jaw...not job creationOver‑the‑Month Changes are the actual job gains/lossesTo get the annual total, you add the monthly changes, not subtract levelsYou are literally using the wrong column to calculate the wrong metric.=15pxYou are subtracting employment levels and calling it job creation...you really are stupid...

Do what you're told, first.

MR-7 » 13 Jun 2026, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 11:54 am

The table you posted has two sections:

Levels and Over‑the‑Month Changes
Levels are total employment Slack Jaw...not job creation
Over‑the‑Month Changes are the actual job gains/losses
To get the annual total, you add the monthly changes, not subtract levelsYou are literally using the wrong column to calculate the wrong metric.You are subtracting employment levels and calling it job creation...you really are stupid...

The first column of revised data...

Get it done.

MR-7 » 13 Jun 2026, 8:35 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 8:35 am

@Vegas  @Cannonpointer  @Johnny You  @Beekeeper  @RebelGator  @ROG62  @Zeets2 @PhiloBeddo

He will never take the deal. I have challenged him so many times with various deals and he has only taken 2 out of...I don't know. Probably over 100. He lost both. Then of course blamed the mods. Shocking. The guy is a coward. He just is. 

@Blackvegetable  
 

MR-7 » 13 Jun 2026, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 10:55 am

you posted this...BLS says "about 180,000 for the ENTIRE year, NATIONWIDE.....SHOW US WHERE THAT IS IN YOUR CHART. SHOW US WHERE THAT IS STATED BY BLS....ANYWHERE. U R a STONE-COLD LIAR. U R A STONE-COLD COWARD TOO.....one of the BIGGEST LIES told on here...BLS says "about 180,000 for the ENTIRE year, NATIONWIDE......and said by you.

BeeVee has a poor record when it comes to comprehension of graphs and charts.
 

MR-7 » 13 Jun 2026, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 11:10 am

STUPID ****..., you’re posting a March revision and pretending it’s an annual total. If the BLS actually said 180,000 for the whole year, you’d be able to point to it...but you can’t.

Be aware, the mere fact that it is not there does NOT mean he doesn't believe it's there.

If someone he thinks is an authority says it's there, he will believe it's there.
 

Blackvegetable » 13 Jun 2026, 11:41 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 11:41 am

I want to see the objective facts which inform your Stream of Bullzeet.

Liberal dopes like you are only unaware of it because your left-wing news sources praise such stupid wasteful expenditures of taxpayer money:

Investigating the Biden Administration’s Climate Spending Extravaganza
Feb 11, 2025 
Investigating the Biden Administration’s Climate Spending Extravaganza
With President Biden’s tumultuous tenure in office ended, a question still lingers: how much did his administration spend on climate change? The Functional Government Initiative (FGI) has tracked down much of those taxpayer dollars in this report submitted to the Director (OMB), Russell Vought. The report tracks down billions of dollars the Biden administration burned through in the name of catastrophic climate change.  Biden lavished taxpayer money on internal government climate plans, massive grants to special interests and the climate industry, and various cynically political efforts. FGI has identified 691 potential programs that allocate significant taxpayer resources toward climate-related initiatives. The cumulative budget of these programs exceeds $713 billion – but the actual figure may be significantly higher.

 

Fact Check: Kamala Says Biden-Harris Administration Invested $1 Trillion Into Renewable Energy Economy
By Andrew Robert Shassetz
In Tuesday’s debate between Trump and VP Harris, Harris claims that the Biden-Harris administration had “invested a trillion dollars” into renewable energy.

 

EPA chief uncovers $20 billion in taxpayer funds laundered to climate NGOs—$7B sent to ‘Climate United Fund,’ case referred to DOJ
Daniel Levi February 13, 2025

Climate Fraud: Billions Laundered to Climate NGO
In a shocking video the new (EPA) Administrator Lee Zeldon reveals his office uncovered $20 billion in taxpayer funds mismanaged under the Biden administration. The discovery points to significant waste, with billions redirected to external organizations without clear accountability.

 

Trump administration cancels nearly $8 billion in climate funding to blue states: Vought
Oct 1 2025 DanMangan
Key Points

• The Trump administration has canceled nearly $8 billion in funding for projects in primarily Democratic-controlled states, a top administration official said on Wednesday.
• The move came hours after OMB Director Russell Vought revealed that Trump had frozen about $18 billion in federal funding to 2 major infrastructure projects in NYC
• “Nearly $8 billion in Green New Scam funding to fuel the Left’s climate agenda is being cancelled,” Vought wrote on social media site X.

 

Trump moves to hobble major US climate change study
The cuts are a potentially fatal blow to the National Climate Assessment that Congress mandated to ensure the government understands the threats posed by rising temperatures.
By Zack Colman 4/09/2025 
The Trump administration is canceling funding for the US Global Change Research Program, the entity that produces the federal government’s signature climate change study, according to 3 federal officials.The move is a potentially fatal blow to the National Climate Assessment, the study that Congress mandated to be issued every 4 years.

Believe it now, dickhead?
 
 
 

Blackvegetable » 13 Jun 2026, 10:54 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2026, 10:54 am

Let's see the data series first, Zeet..

Still so woefully ignorant of how your demented hero wasted hundreds of billions of our tax dollars, aren't you?:

Fact-Checking Team Biden on Who Those 87,000 New IRS Agents Would Audit
Heritage Foundation Aug 12, 2022 Rachel Greszler Former Senior Research Fellow

Despite the Biden administration’s claims, it’s almost certain that households making less than $400,000 a year would face increased audits under Democrats’ bill.And that seems to be the true intent of the IRS.Instead of increasing taxpayer audits, policymakers should simplify taxes across the board. The Biden administration has promised not to raise taxes on anyone making under $400,000 a year. And despite estimates from official congressional scorekeepers that the Schumer-Manchin-Biden tax increase indeed would raise taxes on those Americans, the administration has doubled down on the claim as a final vote nears on Democrats’ bill.

 

EPA Inspector General Report Reveals Biden Admin’s Wasteful Spending Imperiled Tens of Billions of Tax Dollars
December 19, 2025  

EPA Press Office WASHINGTON – A new U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Office of Inspector General (OIG) audit reveals how the Biden Administration recklessly sent thousands of poorly structured grants out the door with little to no oversight, needlessly putting over $38 billion in precious taxpayer funds at risk of waste, fraud, and abuse. These funds were appropriated by Congress to improve drinking water, wastewater, stormwater infrastructure, and Superfund and brownfield cleanup, but, as the OIG audit noted, the Biden Administration’s lack of oversight made it impossible to verify if “grant recipients are complying with federal regulations, EPA policy, and grant requirements.” Under Administrator Lee Zeldin’s leadership, EPA is working closely with OIG to implement the necessary accountability measures that were absent over the past four years. This is just the latest example of the Biden EPA’s egregiously wasteful spending habits. Upon taking office, Administrator Zeldin moved quickly to terminate the Biden Administration’s “gold bars” scheme to frantically rush billions of dollars out the door at the end of 2024. The $27 billion in Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund money was riddled with self-dealing, conflicts of interest, unqualified recipients, and intentionally reduced government oversight. This included the shockingly wasteful and poorly designed Solar for All program, which directed $7 billion through layer after layer of pass-through entities before the ultimate recipient received their diluted grant. Additionally, Administrator Zeldin canceled billions of dollars more in spending on DEI and “environmental justice” initiatives. 

 

At $1 trillion, Biden-Harris the most wasteful administration ever 
by Merrill Matthews - 10/15/24

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) recently announced that the 2024 fiscal-year federal budget deficit — the amount the government spent over and above what it received in total revenue — was $1.8 trillion. That makes the Biden-Harris administration by far the biggest deficit spenders in modern history. Worse yet, Biden-Harris also wasted more money than any other administration, roughly $1 trillion, according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO).

Believe it now, dickhead?

No, of course you won't!