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The agreement gives the US the following: 

1. Antebellum status quo for the strait of hormuz (60 days only) - something we already had before the war. But there is a proviso - Iran and Oman and possibly others will, within a short period after the end of hostilities, begin charging passage through the strait. So - a bit less than what we had before Iran defeated us. 

2. IAEA Inspections on the same order as the Obama agreement that Trump withdrew from. We already had this.

3. The guaranteed dissolution in situ or removal of Iran's enriched (not weapons grade) uranium. Iran has no weapons grade uranium. Never did. 

That's it. That's what we get.

Now let's look at what the Mullahs get.

1. The US agrees to cease and desist internal manipulations of Iran's politics - no more espionage aimed at coups and regime change.

2. 300 Billion dollars from the aggressor nations in reparations - which the MOU discreetly refers to as a "reconstruction and economic development fund." Reparations, my ******. 

3. The immediate cessation of ALL sanctions upon signing, including sanctions issued by the IAEA, UN, and US. 

4. Iran is back in the SWIFT system, able to trade in US dollars without having those dollars "frozen." It's oil will be on the global market immediately, with no financial, military or political sanctions against Iran's free trade.

5. The immediate unfreezing of all Iranian assets.

6. Trump has to make bibi stop bombing Lebanon.

7. The immediate removal of the US blockade.

8. After 60 days of no-fee passage through the strait, Iran and Oman are free to consult on a scheme to charge a fee for all cargo passing through the strait - something Iran did not have before it was aggressed. 

9. Talks will be held and agreements made between the US and Iran for the enriching of some uranium beyond the 20% mark at which it is considered "highly enriched" based on Iran's legitimate need for this uranium in civilian uses. The current stockpile at 60% purity is NOT WEAPONS GRADE, but it will be blended down. During the blending down, agreements will be arrived at regarding how much enriched uranium Iran needs and why. 

The MOU is written in plain english - you can read it for yourself: https://time.com/article/2026/06/17/us- ... raft-text/

 
 

Iranian propaganda troll. All ****

Cannonpointer » 17 Jun 2026, 2:02 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 2:02 pm

The agreement gives the US the following: 

1. Antebellum status quo for the strait of hormuz (60 days only) - something we already had before the war. But there is a proviso - Iran and Oman and possibly others will, within a short period after the end of hostilities, begin charging passage through the strait. So - a bit less than what we had before Iran defeated us. 

2. IAEA Inspections on the same order as the Obama agreement that Trump withdrew from. We already had this.

3. The guaranteed dissolution in situ or removal of Iran's enriched (not weapons grade) uranium. Iran has no weapons grade uranium. Never did. 

That's it. That's what we get.

Now let's look at what the Mullahs get.

1. The US agrees to cease and desist internal manipulations of Iran's politics - no more espionage aimed at coups and regime change.

2. 300 Billion dollars from the aggressor nations in reparations - which the MOU discreetly refers to as a "reconstruction and economic development fund." Reparations, my ******. 

3. The immediate cessation of ALL sanctions upon signing, including sanctions issued by the IAEA, UN, and US. 

4. Iran is back in the SWIFT system, able to trade in US dollars without having those dollars "frozen." It's oil will be on the global market immediately, with no financial, military or political sanctions against Iran's free trade.

5. The immediate unfreezing of all Iranian assets.

6. Trump has to make bibi stop bombing Lebanon.

7. The immediate removal of the US blockade.

8. After 60 days of no-fee passage through the strait, Iran and Oman are free to consult on a scheme to charge a fee for all cargo passing through the strait - something Iran did not have before it was aggressed. 

9. Talks will be held and agreements made between the US and Iran for the enriching of some uranium beyond the 20% mark at which it is considered "highly enriched" based on Iran's legitimate need for this uranium in civilian uses. The current stockpile at 60% purity is NOT WEAPONS GRADE, but it will be blended down. During the blending down, agreements will be arrived at regarding how much enriched uranium Iran needs and why. 

The MOU is written in plain english - you can read it for yourself: https://time.com/article/2026/06/17/us- ... raft-text/

Ridiculous. In short, nothing changed for us, but the Mullah got more than what they had before we bombed them. 

Easy prediction here. I am not even going to brag about this one when (not if) it comes to pass:
Trump will brag about how tremendous this deal is for the United States and that no other president could have pulled off such a grand deal. 


@MR-7  I wish I had placed a bet with you. I hate to say I told you so to members that I respect and like...but I told you so.

This reminds me of Sun Tzu’s classic The Art of War regarding underestimating your enemy and overestimating yourself. Sun Tzu’s warns generals should avoid rashness, anger, pride, and carelessness. Yeah, that doesn't sound like Trump at all. He would never put his ego over making logical decisions or anything. 

Chapter 3, paragraph/section 18: "know the enemy and know yourself."...We underestimated Iran and overestimated our abilities.

Chapter 4 — Tactical Dispositions
Victory comes from preparation and not assuming the enemy will be weak....We underestimated Iran and overestimated our abilities.

Chapter 9 — The Army on the March
Careful observation of enemy behavior...We underestimated Iran and overestimated our abilities.

Chapter 10 — Terrain
Commanders fail when they misjudge conditions, forces, or dangers...We underestimated Iran and overestimated our abilities.

 
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jun 2026, 2:02 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 2:02 pm

The agreement gives the US the following: 

1. Antebellum status quo for the strait of hormuz (60 days only) - something we already had before the war. But there is a proviso - Iran and Oman and possibly others will, within a short period after the end of hostilities, begin charging passage through the strait. So - a bit less than what we had before Iran defeated us. 

2. IAEA Inspections on the same order as the Obama agreement that Trump withdrew from. We already had this.

3. The guaranteed dissolution in situ or removal of Iran's enriched (not weapons grade) uranium. Iran has no weapons grade uranium. Never did. 

That's it. That's what we get.

Now let's look at what the Mullahs get.

1. The US agrees to cease and desist internal manipulations of Iran's politics - no more espionage aimed at coups and regime change.

2. 300 Billion dollars from the aggressor nations in reparations - which the MOU discreetly refers to as a "reconstruction and economic development fund." Reparations, my ******. 

3. The immediate cessation of ALL sanctions upon signing, including sanctions issued by the IAEA, UN, and US. 

4. Iran is back in the SWIFT system, able to trade in US dollars without having those dollars "frozen." It's oil will be on the global market immediately, with no financial, military or political sanctions against Iran's free trade.

5. The immediate unfreezing of all Iranian assets.

6. Trump has to make bibi stop bombing Lebanon.

7. The immediate removal of the US blockade.

8. After 60 days of no-fee passage through the strait, Iran and Oman are free to consult on a scheme to charge a fee for all cargo passing through the strait - something Iran did not have before it was aggressed. 

9. Talks will be held and agreements made between the US and Iran for the enriching of some uranium beyond the 20% mark at which it is considered "highly enriched" based on Iran's legitimate need for this uranium in civilian uses. The current stockpile at 60% purity is NOT WEAPONS GRADE, but it will be blended down. During the blending down, agreements will be arrived at regarding how much enriched uranium Iran needs and why. 

The MOU is written in plain english - you can read it for yourself: https://time.com/article/2026/06/17/us- ... raft-text/

IOW, nothing is written in stone…
 

Cannonpointer » Today, 2:02 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 2:02 pm

The agreement gives the US the following: 

1. Antebellum status quo for the strait of hormuz (60 days only) - something we already had before the war. But there is a proviso - Iran and Oman and possibly others will, within a short period after the end of hostilities, begin charging passage through the strait. So - a bit less than what we had before Iran defeated us. 

2. IAEA Inspections on the same order as the Obama agreement that Trump withdrew from. We already had this.

3. The guaranteed dissolution in situ or removal of Iran's enriched (not weapons grade) uranium. Iran has no weapons grade uranium. Never did. 

That's it. That's what we get.

Now let's look at what the Mullahs get.

1. The US agrees to cease and desist internal manipulations of Iran's politics - no more espionage aimed at coups and regime change.

2. 300 Billion dollars from the aggressor nations in reparations - which the MOU discreetly refers to as a "reconstruction and economic development fund." Reparations, my ******. 

3. The immediate cessation of ALL sanctions upon signing, including sanctions issued by the IAEA, UN, and US. 

4. Iran is back in the SWIFT system, able to trade in US dollars without having those dollars "frozen." It's oil will be on the global market immediately, with no financial, military or political sanctions against Iran's free trade.

5. The immediate unfreezing of all Iranian assets.

6. Trump has to make bibi stop bombing Lebanon.

7. The immediate removal of the US blockade.

8. After 60 days of no-fee passage through the strait, Iran and Oman are free to consult on a scheme to charge a fee for all cargo passing through the strait - something Iran did not have before it was aggressed. 

9. Talks will be held and agreements made between the US and Iran for the enriching of some uranium beyond the 20% mark at which it is considered "highly enriched" based on Iran's legitimate need for this uranium in civilian uses. The current stockpile at 60% purity is NOT WEAPONS GRADE, but it will be blended down. During the blending down, agreements will be arrived at regarding how much enriched uranium Iran needs and why. 

The MOU is written in plain english - you can read it for yourself: https://time.com/article/2026/06/17/us- ... raft-text/

NOT what it says, CUMBUCKET MOUTH!!

Gee, cupcake, you are DAMN FINE at inventing a LOT OF **** when none exists!!

MIghty fine trolling you got going here!!

Vegas » 17 Jun 2026, 2:47 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 2:47 pm

Ridiculous. In short, nothing changed for us, but the Mullah got more than what they had before we bombed them. 

Easy prediction here. I am not even going to brag about this one when (not if) it comes to pass:
Trump will brag about how tremendous this deal is for the United States and that no other president could have pulled off such a grand deal. 

@MR-7  I wish I had placed a bet with you. I hate to say I told you so to members that I respect and like...but I told you so.

7 is a koolaid guzzling cartoon-sourced hack. If he had an original thought, he would denounce it as a witch.

Everything he believes is fed to him from think tanks - but not directly. He's a downstream consumer. 

Most of the thoughts he has, I read before he thinks them. I go to the source and see what he is going to be spewing. 

I would remind you that I told ALL you *** that Iran played the west when they sent all those missiles against israel in response to their misdeeds in Syria. They warned the west what day and hour they would be sending a meteor shower against tel aviv. The west chalked it up to face saving, and saw it as a big PR win for the iron dome. In reality, it was a hard recon. Iran was doing the math. We spent this and they spent that - and we can spend this more times than they can spend that. 

When your 5k drone can command two 20mil interceptors, the math is your friend. 

Iran forced the US to beg, borrow, and steal interceptors from Japan and Korea and Coupkraine. And when they struck a deal with donald trump, it was a donald trump whose military was running out of interceptors. 
 
 

ROG62 » 17 Jun 2026, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 3:44 pm

IOW, nothing is written in stone…

Except Trump's desperation and willingness to make ANY deal to stop the missiles. 

He is out of interceptors, you see. So the missiles hit their targets. And his vassals sidle up to Iran for side deals, because they fear the mullahs more than they fear trump. 
 

Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2026, 4:36 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 4:36 pm

NOT what it says,

         

Sorry, sissy panty. You can't pull that **** in this thread. I linked to the MOU in the OP. 

It's written in english so plain and simple that even a dunce like you can read it - and weep, bitch.

Vegas » 17 Jun 2026, 2:59 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 2:59 pm

This reminds me of Sun Tzu’s classic The Art of War regarding underestimating your enemy and overestimating yourself. Sun Tzu’s warns generals should avoid rashness, anger, pride, and carelessness. Yeah, that doesn't sound like Trump at all. He would never put his ego over making logical decisions or anything. 

Chapter 3, paragraph/section 18: "know the enemy and know yourself."...We underestimated Iran and overestimated our abilities.

Chapter 4 — Tactical Dispositions
Victory comes from preparation and not assuming the enemy will be weak....We underestimated Iran and overestimated our abilities.

Chapter 9 — The Army on the March
Careful observation of enemy behavior...We underestimated Iran and overestimated our abilities.

Chapter 10 — Terrain
Commanders fail when they misjudge conditions, forces, or dangers...We underestimated Iran and overestimated our abilities.

Iran planned for this war for 30 years. Trump planned for thirty minutes. 

The results speak for themselves.
 

Some's got TDS....wonder who it is?

PhiloBeddo » 17 Jun 2026, 2:29 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 2:29 pm

Iranian propaganda troll. All ****

Refute me with the text of the MOU - not with your chin ******.

https://time.com/article/2026/06/17/us- ... raft-text/
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jun 2026, 5:11 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 5:11 pm

Refute me with the text of the MOU - not with your chin ******.

https://time.com/article/2026/06/17/us- ... raft-text/

give him a link from Vanity Fair....that will sell it

Cannonpointer » Today, 5:08 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 5:08 pm

         

Sorry, sissy panty. You can't pull that **** in this thread. I linked to the MOU in the OP. 

It's written in english so plain and simple that even a dunce like you can read it - and weep, bitch.

I've READ IT, cupcake. And only a couple of your points are valid.

THE REST AREN'T!! YOU are too **** easy to kick in the ***!!

1. The United States of America, and Islamic Republic of Iran, and their allies in the current war, by signing this MOU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military operation against each other, and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other, and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination of the war on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and other provisions of this paragraph.
2. The United States of America, the Islamic Republic of Iran, undertake to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other's internal affairs. 
3. The United States of America, and the Islamic Republic of Iran commits to negotiating and achieving the final deal in maximum 60 days – extendable with mutual consent. 
4. Immediately upon the signing of this MOU, the United States of America will begin the removal of its naval blockade and any disturbances or impediments against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and will fully end the Naval blockade within 30 days. During this period, the traffic of vessels will be in proportion to the numbers of pre-war traffic being restored by the Islamic Republic of Iran, the United States of America, further undertakes to remove its forces from the proximity of the Islamic Republic of Iran within 30 days after the final deal.
5. Upon the signing of this, MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman, and vice versa. The traffic of commercial vessels will immediately start in considering the needs for removing the technical and military obstacles and de-mining by the Islamic Republic of Iran will be initiated within 30 days, the Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialogue with Sultaness of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services in the Strait of Homruz discussion with other Persian gulf [...] states in line with the applicable international law and the sovereign rights of coastal states of the Strait of Hormuz.
6. The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive mutually agreed plan with at least USD 300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized as part of a final deal within 60 days. All required licenses, waivers, and permissions needed for the relevant financial transactions will be granted by the United States of America.
7. The United States of America undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the United Nations Security Council Resolution, i.e. IAEA Board of Governor's Resolution, and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, primary and secondary, and an agreed upon schedule as part of the final deal. 

 
 

1. The Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. The United States of America, and the Islamic Republic of Iran, have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material, pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon, in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph 7, with a minimum methodology to be down blending on site, under the supervision of the IAEA. The two parties also agreed to discuss the issue of enrichment and other mutually agreed matters related to the economical public of Iran's nuclear need, based on the satisfactory framework being agreed upon in the final deal. The final deal will confirm the provisions of this paragraph.  The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran, acknowledge the critical importance of the nuclear issues above mission, and express their attention to immediately address these issues in the negotiation in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.
2. Pending the final deal, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree to maintain the status quo. The Islamic Republic of Iran will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program, and the United States of America will not impose any new sanctions and will not deploy additional forces in the region.
3. The United States of America undertakes, but immediately upon the signing of this MOU, and until the termination of sanctions, the U.S. Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives and all associated services including banking, transactions, insurances, transportation, etc. 
4. The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use, the frozen, or restricted funds, and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran upon the implementation of the MOU, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will usually agree on the procedures related to the relief of these funds during the negotiation. Such funds, whether retained in the original accounts or transferred, government may be fully usable for payment to any ultimate beneficiary designated by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America undertakes to issue all necessary licenses and authorizations accordingly.
5. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree that an executive mechanism will be established to monitor the successful implementations of MOU and the future compliance of the final deal. 
6. After signing the MOU, and subject to the beginning of the implementation of paragraphs 1, 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this MOU, and the continuing implementation of these measures, the United States of America, and the Islamic Republic of Iran, will start negotiations regarding the final deal exclusively on the other paragraphs. 
7. The final deal will be endorsed by a binding [United Nations Security Council] resolution.

Cannonpointer » 17 Jun 2026, 2:02 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 2:02 pm

6. Trump has to make bibi stop bombing Lebanon.

 

The only way to do that is to threaten to cut off funds to israel.


 

nefarious101 » 17 Jun 2026, 5:37 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 5:37 pm

give him a link from Vanity Fair....that will sell it

Here's Tucker, channeling  Cannonpointer. 

He reads the MOU EXACTLY as I read it. 

It's a surrender. Suck on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpKQKOHzPLU
 

Beekeeper » 17 Jun 2026, 6:46 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 6:46 pm

I've READ IT, cupcake. And only a couple of your points are valid.

THE REST AREN'T!! YOU are too **** easy to kick in the ***!! 

Can you tell us which those are, Princess?

jerrab » 17 Jun 2026, 7:39 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 7:39 pm

The only way to do that is to threaten to cut off funds to israel.

Yup.
 

ROG62 » 17 Jun 2026, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2026, 3:44 pm

IOW, nothing is written in stone…

The MOU has been signed. The stuff Iran gets is written in stone. 

The stuff the US gets will be negotiated over the next 60 days.

Both sides want it to work. But the third side the turd side the absurd side wants chaos, because chaos disguises israel's moves.