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jerrab » 01 Jul 2026, 9:11 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2026, 9:11 am

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The U.S. Constitution guarantees automatic birthright citizenship to virtually everyone born on American soil. Under the Library of Congress – Constitution Annotated (.gov) Citizenship Clause, any person born or naturalized in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is a U.S. citizen, regardless of the legal status or nationality of their parent

You are not addressing the issue to which you pretend to reply. You selected Buffalo's post, you hit the quote button, you blathered your position without responding to his evidence, and then you hit submit. 

Poor threadsmanship. I would say that he owns the thread and the OP has been refuted. The unanswered question wins the debate. His argument flummoxed you to the point that all you could do is restate your thesis. 
 

Cannonpointer » Today, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:30 am

You are not addressing the issue to which you pretend to reply. You selected Buffalo's post, you hit the quote button, you blathered your position without responding to his evidence, and then you hit submit. 

Poor threadsmanship. I would say that he owns the thread and the OP has been refuted. The unanswered question wins the debate. His argument flummoxed you to the point that all you could do is restate your thesis.

I posted the actual constitution words along with the link.


https://constitution.congress.gov/brows ... _00000812/

Cannonpointer » Today, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:30 am

You are not addressing the issue to which you pretend to reply. You selected Buffalo's post, you hit the quote button, you blathered your position without responding to his evidence, and then you hit submit. 

Poor threadsmanship. I would say that he owns the thread and the OP has been refuted. The unanswered question wins the debate. His argument flummoxed you to the point that all you could do is restate your thesis.

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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

Buffalo » 01 Jul 2026, 6:42 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jul 2026, 6:42 am

Official transcript from the US Senate on May 30, 1866. Senator Jacob Howard, who introduced the 14th Amendment: "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens...” SCOTUS got this ruling 100% wrong. A total travesty.

This  is  not what is in the constitution

So, now, if a woman **** out a kid at Olive Garden he becomes a citizen of Italy, eh?

If that child is born of a mother that came to the US illegally, he/she/it should not automatically be a citizen of the US!!! Especially if she came here strictly for the purpose of **** out that kid...

jerrab » 8 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

8 minutes ago

This  is  not what is in the constitution

What the SCOTUS got wrong was the original intention of the 14 Amendment with regards to freed slaves only!!!
 

Buffalo » 20 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

20 minutes ago

What the SCOTUS got wrong was the original intention of the 14 Amendment with regards to freed slaves only!!!

/////////The 14th Amendment: Granted citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the US—ensuring newly freed slaves were legally recognized as Americans. It also prevented states from depriving any person of life, liberty, or property without due process. [1, 2]///////////

Buffalo » 20 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

20 minutes ago

What the SCOTUS got wrong was the original intention of the 14 Amendment with regards to freed slaves only!!!

they went by the constitution.

Buffalo » 29 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

29 minutes ago

So, now, if a woman **** out a kid at Olive Garden he becomes a citizen of Italy, eh?

If that child is born of a mother that came to the US illegally, he/she/it should not automatically be a citizen of the US!!! Especially if she came here strictly for the purpose of **** out that kid...

The Olive garden is not part of the Italian embassy and the waiters are not ambassadors

jerrab » Today, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 3:20 pm

I posted the actual constitutional words along with the link.

https://constitution.congress.gov/brows ... _00000812/

And then you were answered with contemporaneous commentary by the author, and you bailed. You responded without addressing the argument - that's always an L.
 

jerrab » Today, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 3:28 pm

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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

Yet for centuries, the children of foreign diplomats have been - according to your reading - denied their rights. 

So there is more going on than you are acknowledging. 
 

Cannonpointer » 10 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

10 minutes ago

Yet for centuries, the children of foreign diplomats have been - according to your reading - denied their birth rights. 

So there is more going on than you are acknowledging.

the diplomat parents want them to be citizens of their country.

Buffalo » Today, 3:39 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 3:39 pm

What the SCOTUS got wrong was the original intention of the 14 Amendment with regards to freed slaves only!!!

the constitution is what the supreme court went by, not someone's intention.

Cannonpointer » 31 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

31 minutes ago

And then you were answered with contemporaneous commentary by the author, and you bailed. You responded without addressing the argument - that's always an L.

The Supreme court went by the constitution  not the commentary of the author.


The op was about the ruling,
 

Buffalo » Yesterday, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 3:36 pm

So, now, if a woman **** out a kid at Olive Garden he becomes a citizen of Italy, eh?

If that child is born of a mother that came to the US illegally, he/she/it should not automatically be a citizen of the US!!! Especially if she came here strictly for the purpose of **** out that kid...

Ha!!

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Balugon was born in the US by chance to Nigerian parents. While visiting relatives here in the US, his mother was barred by the airline from returning to London due to her advanced pregnancy (7 months?). He returned to London at two months old and grew up there. But of course now having US citizenship as well.

jerrab » Yesterday, 9:58 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 9:58 pm

the diplomat parents want them to be citizens of their country.

Being granted birth right American citizenship does not defeat their citizenship of their home country. 

Yet such is not granted. 

Your thesis fails. 

jerrab » Yesterday, 10:18 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 10:18 pm

The Supreme court went by the constitution  not the commentary of the author.

The op was about the ruling,

Tell that to the person you pretended to answer with a diversion.
 

Cannonpointer » 05 Jul 2026, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2026, 9:30 am

You are not addressing the issue to which you pretend to reply. You selected Buffalo's post, you hit the quote button, you blathered your position without responding to his evidence, and then you hit submit. 

Poor threadsmanship. I would say that he owns the thread and the OP has been refuted. The unanswered question wins the debate. His argument flummoxed you to the point that all you could do is restate your thesis. 
 

Issues are a rational parts of a social problem that is never resolved in history within this species each generation gap forward, so far. Issues are distractions from the root of the cause the problem never goes away.

Like some capitalize off everyone else participating in the chaos 24/7.

jerrab » Yesterday, 1:55 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 1:55 am

Ha!!

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Balugon was born in the US by chance to Nigerian parents. While visiting relatives here in the US, his mother was barred by the airline from returning to London due to her advanced pregnancy (7 months?). He returned to London at two months old and grew up there. But of course now having US citizenship as well.

Which is not what the Constitution actually says. 

Because you have never read the amendment, you glom onto the part your attention is directed to. The FULL text has an important conjunction: the word "and." It goes like this: AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF.

Americans are subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. If you go to thailand to sex up 15 year olds, your actions may be perfectly legal THERE. But because you are an american, you are subjection to the laws HERE. And you can be prosecuted HERE for what you did over THERE.

The nigerians were subject to the jurisdiction of NIGERIA - and so was their baby, being nigerian. It is an offense to botht the plain language of the amendment and the contempoanously statedintent of the amendment to treat the amendment as if only the first clause exists.

You celebrate it because you hate white people and want to see more of-coloreds swamping us. What you will miss, dummy, is toilets that flush and lights that work. Because whatever in the **** you maye think about it, that's pretty much all white man stuff. 
 

Cannonpointer » 17 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

17 minutes ago

Which is not what the Constitution actually says. 

Because you have never read the amendment, you glom onto the part your attention is directed to. The FULL text has an important conjunction: the word "and." It goes like this: AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF.

Americans are subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. If you go to thailand to sex up 15 year olds, your actions may be perfectly legal THERE. But because you are an american, you are subjection to the laws HERE. And you can be prosecuted HERE for what you did over THERE.

The nigerians were subject to the jurisdiction of NIGERIA - and so was their baby, being nigerian. It is an offense to botht the plain language of the amendment and the contempoanously statedintent of the amendment to treat the amendment as if only the first clause exists.

You celebrate it because you hate white people and want to see more of-coloreds swamping us. What you will miss, dummy, is toilets that flush and lights that work. Because whatever in the **** you maye think about it, that's pretty much all white man stuff.

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An American citizen is a person who holds U.S. nationality, either by being born in U.S. territory (birthright citizenship), being born to U.S. citizen parents, or by completing the naturalization process. Citizens are granted exclusive rights, including voting in federal elections, holding public office, and carrying a U.S. passpor