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ConservativeWave » 12 Jul 2026, 11:27 am » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2026, 11:27 am

Which truths am I governed by?  The TRUE ones !!

...and YES, I believe COMPLETELY that there is a TRUTH beyond "life", and what goes on AFTER "life" ...as we currently know it.  BUT, "that" (i.e. the here after) is NOT OUR CURRENT Domain... at least NOT YET!  MAYBE some day, but NOT today!

TODAY, we have to deal with TODAY, and in the "HERE and NOW"...  and, the TRUTHS and LIES that pertain to the "HERE and NOW" !  We have been given certain UNIVERSAL "standards" as being those living in the HERE and NOW... and that we should govern our lives by...   Standards such as RIGHT & WRONG, GOOD & BAD, and COMPASSION and HATE (among others).  SO, HOW do we know what's RIGHT, GOOD, and COMPASSIONATE in the here and now?  ...THE ONLY WAY WE CAN !!   BY assessing HOW "We the People" live our lives, as a WHOLE !  and HOW we live our lives as a community !  IF we (as a whole) all live in relative Safety, Happiness, and Fulfillment... THEN we are moving generally in the right direction...  AND, IF we are NOT?  Then maybe we are NOT passing the test... for what comes AFTER the "HERE and NOW" !! 

MAYBE, we are filtering OURSELVES OUT, of what comes NEXT... and WE ARE our OWN SATAN... and WE ONLY have OURSELVES to BLAME

Something to THINK about !!

 
 

truth by context of human behavior in relative time logistics or truth as chromosomes inhabiting time evolving uniquely alive since conception, now?

JohnnyYou » 11 Jul 2026, 12:00 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jul 2026, 12:00 pm

Obama didn't kill them.  In fact I didnt even know he was the deporter in chief until after his term.
How much money are we spending per immigrant right now?  Your boy has stakes in the prisons pens and makes money on rounding them up.

Tom Homan can keep some sort of decency about him..  Chicken Legs was a disaster. Is Homan in the command chain of the murderous ICE goons who killed another decent human being?  I mean who can keep it straight?   Trump hires new thugs all the time.

Simply because you were, and still are ignorant of the facts under Obama, it doesn't mean you're correct to believe that Obama didn't kill any illegals.  All it means it that you care nothing about the facts and are too lazy to look them up before spewing your ****.

So permit me to educate you once again:

According to ICE’s data, 56 people died in ICE custody between 2009 and 2017, during the Obama administration. Between 2021 and 2024, during the Biden administration, ICE reported 26 deaths.

1. The 56 figure: FOIA-based counting and NGO reporting

A joint report by the ACLU, Detention Watch Network and the National Immigrant Justice Center — summarized in a press release and detailed in a longer report — counted 56 deaths in ICE custody during the Obama years, a tally that was drawn from Freedom of Information Act requests and advocacy documentation and has been cited by other organizations and news summaries [1] [5] [2]. That 56-death figure is central to current critiques of how ICE inspections and medical care failed to prevent fatalities despite reform commitments early in the Obama administration [1] [5].

Tell me, Johnny, were you equally as bad in arithmetic as you've proven you are in history?

Obama:   56 dead illegals
Trump:      1 dead illegal and 2 protesters killed while attacking ICE federal agents.
Both with Tom Homan in charge.

So which administration killed more illegals, genius?
And yet which administration is the one you idiots choose to scream about?

Add to that THIS fact:

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From 2009 to 2016, during Obama's presidency, approximately 3,000 to 4,000 undocumented migrants died attempting to cross the U.S.-Mexico border. The number of deaths varied each year, with an average of around 364 deaths per year recorded by the U.S. Border Patrol.

How come THOSE thousands of dead illegals under Obama don't matter to you, especially now that Trump has closed the border and reducing that number to ZERO?

I'll await your response, which no doubt will be to run away from the topic now that you know the facts.
 

Zeets2 » 13 Jul 2026, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2026, 12:25 pm

Simply because you were, and still are ignorant of the facts under Obama, it doesn't mean you're correct to believe that Obama didn't kill any illegals.  All it means it that you care nothing about the facts and are too lazy to look them up before spewing your ****.

Even if Obama did it..  Did it give ICE the right to murder a father with his three year old daughter in the car watching it today in Biddleford Maine?
You'll condem Obama for murdering citizens and then hip hip hooray for your merry facist ganog of goons trying to create chaos and martial law so you can delay the election that you  are going to **** lose like no one has ever lost before.  

You are stupid man. You are selling the Constitution to the Devil.  You will have hell to pay for it,

So permit me to educate you once again:

Tell me, Johnny, were you equally as bad in arithmetic as you've proven you are in history?

Obama:   56 dead illegals
Trump:      1 dead illegal and 2 protesters killed while attacking ICE federal agents.
Both with Tom Homan in charge.

So which administration killed more illegals, genius?
And yet which administration is the one you idiots choose to scream about?

Add to that THIS fact:

How come THOSE thousands of dead illegals under Obama don't matter to you, especially now that Trump has closed the border and reducing that number to ZERO?

I'll await your response, which no doubt will be to run away from the topic now that you know the facts.

 
 

JohnnyYou » 13 Jul 2026, 6:00 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2026, 6:00 pm

Even if Obama did it..  Did it give ICE the right to murder a father with his three year old daughter in the car watching it today in Biddleford Maine?
You'll condem Obama for murdering citizens and then hip hip hooray for your merry facist ganog of goons trying to create chaos and martial law so you can delay the election that you  are going to **** lose like no one has ever lost before.  

You are stupid man. You are selling the Constitution to the Devil.  You will have hell to pay for it,

ICE agents HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT THEMSELVES when a vehicle is being driven towards them, and that IS NOT murder, asshole!  It is called SELF DEFENCE, regardless of who is with him in his car, regardless of the pajamas the guy's daughter was wearing, and regardless of whether or not he was the target of the ICE warrant!  The jerk was an ILLEGAL FROM COLUMBIA, and had already been ordered to leave the country or he WOULD be deported, and refused to do so!  The driver and at least one of his passengers WERE ILLEGAL CRIMINALS and got exactly what they deserved!

The fact that he was not the target of the ICE operation is completely irrelevant.  The actual target for deportation was in the car that was driven towards a federal ICE agent attempting to run him over and the agent defended himself accordingly.  That IS NOT murder, regardless of how stupid you liberals are who are demanding ICE be defunded or disbanded.

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The man shot by ICE in Maine was identified as a 26-year-old Colombian who had been given an order to leave the country, indicating he was in the U.S. illegally. Incident OverviewA 26-year-old Colombian man was shot and killed by an ICE officer in Biddeford, Maine. The incident occurred during an enforcement operation related to a final order of removal, indicating that he had been ordered to leave the country.Legal Status

• The man was identified as being in the U.S. illegally, as he had received an order to leave the country.

 

    Why do the cowardly ICE agents only target harmless unarmed people? Why don't they go into the places where the hardened criminals that they say they want to deport are to be found? You know the actual murderers and drug dealers? 
    Because they know they'll get killed by real criminals that will fight back. They don't have the training or the balls to go after them. So instead they target protesters and harmless people with families. 
   Some real courageous ****,these ICE agents are.
   

Squatchman » 14 Jul 2026, 10:21 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jul 2026, 10:21 pm

    Why do the cowardly ICE agents only target harmless unarmed people? Why don't they go into the places where the hardened criminals that they say they want to deport are to be found? You know the actual murderers and drug dealers? 
    Because they know they'll get killed by real criminals that will fight back. They don't have the training or the balls to go after them. So instead they target protesters and harmless people with families. 
   Some real courageous ****,these ICE agents are.

Government  by assholes
 

Zeets2 » 14 Jul 2026, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jul 2026, 11:23 am

ICE agents HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT THEMSELVES when a vehicle is being driven towards them, and that IS NOT murder, asshole!  It is called SELF DEFENCE, regardless of who is with him in his car, regardless of the pajamas the guy's daughter was wearing, and regardless of whether or not he was the target of the ICE warrant!  The jerk was an ILLEGAL FROM COLUMBIA, and had already been ordered to leave the country or he WOULD be deported, and refused to do so!  The driver and at least one of his passengers WERE ILLEGAL CRIMINALS and got exactly what they deserved!

The fact that he was not the target of the ICE operation is completely irrelevant.  The actual target for deportation was in the car that was driven towards a federal ICE agent attempting to run him over and the agent defended himself accordingly.  That IS NOT murder, regardless of how stupid you liberals are who are demanding ICE be defunded or disbanded.

You're  a facist dick wad

JohnnyYou » 14 Jul 2026, 10:24 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jul 2026, 10:24 pm

You're  a facist dick wad

  Now you're giving dick wads a bad name.
Not even they want to be associated with a TDS riddled impotent old man like him.
 

Squatchman » 14 Jul 2026, 10:33 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jul 2026, 10:33 pm

  Now you're giving dick wads a bad name.
Not even they want to be associated with a TDS riddled impotent old man like him.

**** the middleman 

Squatchman » 14 Jul 2026, 10:21 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jul 2026, 10:21 pm

    Why do the cowardly ICE agents only target harmless unarmed people? Why don't they go into the places where the hardened criminals that they say they want to deport are to be found? You know the actual murderers and drug dealers? 
    Because they know they'll get killed by real criminals that will fight back. They don't have the training or the balls to go after them. So instead they target protesters and harmless people with families. 
   Some real courageous ****,these ICE agents are.
   

Because they came here uninvited collecting benefits created to support this country's own citizens. They won't fix their own country, they aren't going to defend this one.

JohnnyYou » 14 Jul 2026, 10:24 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jul 2026, 10:24 pm

You're  a facist dick wad

Oh, does that mean you think an ICE Federal Agent should have let a car full of illegals run him over instead of shooting him?
And you believe that only a "facist" as you call me believes you have the right to defend yourself?

Go back to the 4th grade and learn to spell before you call someone a nasty name, asshole!
Or stick to one-syllable insults that are more suited to your speed!

Zeets2 » 15 Jul 2026, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2026, 9:12 am

Oh, does that mean you think an ICE Federal Agent should have let a car full of illegals run him over instead of shooting him?
And you believe that only a "facist" as you call me believes you have the right to defend yourself?

Go back to the 4th grade and learn to spell before you call someone a nasty name, asshole!
Or stick to one-syllable insults that are more suited to your speed!

Capitalism at work..  How much did you lose?

https://i.postimg.cc/6Q2zkpfM/SPCX-Snap-260716.jpg
 

Squatchman » 14 Jul 2026, 10:21 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jul 2026, 10:21 pm

    Why do the cowardly ICE agents only target harmless unarmed people? Why don't they go into the places where the hardened criminals that they say they want to deport are to be found? You know the actual murderers and drug dealers? 
    Because they know they'll get killed by real criminals that will fight back. They don't have the training or the balls to go after them. So instead they target protesters and harmless people with families. 
   Some real courageous ****,these ICE agents are.
 

Why do BRAVE American ICE agents do their JOBS?  BECAUS:

1)  LOTS of those ILLEGAL PEOPLE people ARE ARMED... as they traffic DRUGS, instigate CRIME, and break an entire LAUNDRY LIST of U.S. LAWS !! 

2)  OTHERS, COME HERE and STEAL from the American Taxpayer, using a LAUNDRY List of illegal and unethical GRAFT, FRAUD, and CORRUPTION methods... THERE HAVE ALREADY been hundreds convicted and Injails or deported, and THOUSANDS that are still OUT THERE !!  THANKS to CORRUPT Democrats like YOU !

3)  WHILE STILL OTHERS, are ILLEGAL Aliens, who VOTE to put people into OUR government that THEY have NO RIGHT to do, AND WHICH will DESTROY America in the long run.

4)  AND, regarding "REAL Criminals"... it's the Democrat Party and elected Democrats ALL AROUND the COUNTRY that CREATE THAT MENACE... because they DO NOT enforce the LAW, NOR support the POLICE, NOR give a DAMN that Criminals RUN FREE !!

BUT, THAT is ALL ending with the NEW Republican Party, and Donald Trump !!