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Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2026, 1:14 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2026, 1:14 pm

I missed the part where you justify expecting Iran per se to keep its word to us.

They DO - out of concern for their global image, same as Russia and China. But I'm asking on what planet you or I or anyone else has any right to EXPECT them to, given that you are incapable of naming one US treaty that we have ever lived up to in the history of history.

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AI helps me with this treaty question.

Q: Has the US ever honored a treaty without being taken to court?

A: Yes. In many treaty areas, the U.S. carries out the treaty terms through ordinary executive/agency actions, and no one brings a lawsuit because there’s no dispute to litigate.
A common example is extradition: when the U.S. receives an extradition request and processes it consistent with an extradition treaty, the “honoring” of the treaty happens through the executive process (State Department / Justice Department / courts only get involved if someone challenges the extradition). When no one challenges it, there’s no court case even though the treaty governs the outcome.Likewise, treaties are often honored through administrative implementation (regulations, permits, inspections, information-sharing processes) without any specific court proceeding—unless a private party or government refuses to comply, triggering litigation.
 

DeezerShoove » 16 Jul 2026, 2:53 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2026, 2:53 pm

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AI helps me with this treaty question.

Q: Has the US ever honored a treaty without being taken to court?

A: Yes. In many treaty areas, the U.S. carries out the treaty terms through ordinary executive/agency actions, and no one brings a lawsuit because there’s no dispute to litigate.
A common example is extradition: when the U.S. receives an extradition request and processes it consistent with an extradition treaty, the “honoring” of the treaty happens through the executive process (State Department / Justice Department / courts only get involved if someone challenges the extradition). When no one challenges it, there’s no court case even though the treaty governs the outcome.Likewise, treaties are often honored through administrative implementation (regulations, permits, inspections, information-sharing processes) without any specific court proceeding—unless a private party or government refuses to comply, triggering litigation.

Sorry. Federal judges routinely deny requests if the foreign country fails to provide enough evidence to establish "probable cause" that the suspect committed the crime.

Can you name a single treaty the US has NOT violated?
 

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2026, 2:57 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2026, 2:57 pm

Sorry. Federal judges routinely deny requests if the foreign country fails to provide enough evidence to establish "probable cause" that the suspect committed the crime.

Can you name a single treaty the US has NOT violated?

Of course not.
It isn't even an area of interest for me much less delving into details to remember at the drop of a sombrero.

DeezerShoove » 16 Jul 2026, 3:14 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2026, 3:14 pm

Of course not.
It isn't even an area of interest for me much less delving into details to remember at the drop of a sombrero.

You could do it at the drop of an AI. 

So we can both agree that anyone who makes a deal with the United States is under no legal or moral or ethical obligation to keep that agreement, given that the word of the United States Government - in treaties, in MOUs, what have you - is a handful of ****?

And just so this doesn't slip by, Iran did not violated the MOU. 

The US did. 

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2026, 3:58 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2026, 3:58 pm

You could do it at the drop of an AI. 

So we can both agree that anyone who makes a deal with the United States is under no legal or moral or ethical obligation to keep that agreement, given that the word of the United States Government - in treaties, in MOUs, what have you - is a handful of ****?

And just so this doesn't slip by, Iran did not violated the MOU. 

The US did.

You sure about that?
Some drone strike on a cargo ship was first, no? One of them 31 "Governor Mosaics" didn't get the memo.


I'm aware I'm mixing ceasefire and MOU into the same stew...

DeezerShoove » 16 Jul 2026, 4:00 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2026, 4:00 pm

You sure about that?
Some drone strike on a cargo ship was first, no? One of them 31 "Governor Mosaics" didn't get the memo.

I'm aware I'm mixing ceasefire and MOU into the same stew...

It was in response to bibi flattening half of beirut.

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2026, 4:07 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2026, 4:07 pm

It was in response to bibi flattening half of beirut.

Is that why one of the 31 Iranian governors chose a Singapore cargo ship to strike?
Seems odd...
 

*Roshambo » 16 Jul 2026, 12:01 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2026, 12:01 pm

🇮🇷 is winning, and Trump is being humiliated on a national level

You are being ignorant by choice minding social consensus instead of navigating equally alive in series parallel proportion of numbers here now in all the time you existed since conception with your brain on a global level.

One species, 2 genders, your reality only creates characters on a world stage. Not ancestries with ancestors living eternally separated by their specific chromosomes.

DeezerShoove » 16 Jul 2026, 4:39 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2026, 4:39 pm

Is that why one of the 31 Iranian governors chose a Singapore cargo ship to strike?
Seems odd...

 Hitting CHINA would have been odd. Hitting Singapore? No. Not odd at all. More predictable than odd.

Singapore is a natural target for Iran. It's part of the bloc attacking Iran. It has no diplomatic mission in Iran, and it vigorously enforces the UN sanctions against Iran. When Iran initiated talks about conditions of transit, Singapore told Iran to **** off. Not a penny for tribute. So it knew when it sent its ship in that it might look very different when it came out. 

Singapore recently did a soft shoe recon about joining BRICS. It was immediately rebuffed by China, due to its deep ties to the US and the west. 

The US is sanctioning not just Russia, but countries that do business with Russia. 

Iran is attacking not just the US, but nations that play bitch to the US. Ride with outlaws, hang with outlaws.

Just to give you some background, Singapore has supported Coupkraine with materiel, money, and diplomatic efforts. Singapore has unilaterally sanctioned Russia. In every east vs. west kerfuffle, Singapore always bats for the west - for the people sending missiles into Iran.

Now you know who's who - and why Singapore is a perfect target for Iran's payback. Iran isn't trying to fight sea battles with the 6th fleet. It's fighting its own war - intelligently. And it is winning. And in a world where girls' schools and hospitals and civilian infratructure are legitimate targets, so is Singaporean shipping. 

And at least Iran has not, to anyone's knowledge, operated homosexual torture dungeons, like some countries do. 

 
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2026, 12:00 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2026, 12:00 am

 Hitting CHINA would have been odd. Hitting Singapore? No. Not odd at all. More predictable than odd.

Singapore is a natural target for Iran. It's part of the bloc attacking Iran. It has no diplomatic mission in Iran, and it vigorously enforces the UN sanctions against Iran. When Iran initiated talks about conditions of transit, Singapore told Iran to **** off. Not a penny for tribute. So it knew when it sent its ship in that it might look very different when it came out. 

Singapore recently did a soft shoe recon about joining BRICS. It was immediately rebuffed by China, due to its deep ties to the US and the west. 

The US is sanctioning not just Russia, but countries that do business with Russia. 

Iran is attacking not just the US, but nations that play bitch to the US. Ride with outlaws, hang with outlaws.

Just to give you some background, Singapore has supported Coupkraine with materiel, money, and diplomatic efforts. Singapore has unilaterally sanctioned Russia. In every east vs. west kerfuffle, Singapore always bats for the west - for the people sending missiles into Iran.

Now you know who's who - and why Singapore is a perfect target for Iran's payback. Iran isn't trying to fight sea battles with the 6th fleet. It's fighting its own war - intelligently. And it is winning. And in a world where girls' schools and hospitals and civilian infratructure are legitimate targets, so is Singaporean shipping. 

And at least Iran has not, to anyone's knowledge, operated homosexual torture dungeons, like some countries do. 

 
 

Imagine a government keeping secrets from its citizens of its people standing their ground for what they believe true?

Imagine a faith keeping secrets from its global congregations of eternal intellectual souls?

Genetic outcomes don't have to wonder what is possible if they are honest about their self evident time living in their chromosome position forward now.
DNA defines a species, chromosomes fit the individuals inhabiting time daily here.

Context is for communicating between ancestors sharing time lived since conception, so far.

Deezer Shoove » 16 Jul 2026, 2:53 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2026, 2:53 pm

second reply

AI helps me with this treaty question.

Q: Has the US ever honored a treaty without being taken to court?

A: Yes. In many treaty areas, the U.S. carries out the treaty terms through ordinary executive/agency actions, and no one brings a lawsuit because there’s no dispute to litigate.
A common example is extradition: when the U.S. receives an extradition request and processes it consistent with an extradition treaty, the “honoring” of the treaty happens through the executive process (State Department / Justice Department / courts only get involved if someone challenges the extradition). When no one challenges it, there’s no court case even though the treaty governs the outcome.Likewise, treaties are often honored through administrative implementation (regulations, permits, inspections, information-sharing processes) without any specific court proceeding—unless a private party or government refuses to comply, triggering litigation.
 

Treaties create allies following the same ideas about controlling tomorrow's outcomes, today. How? longitude and latitude 360 longitudes 60 seconds, 60 minutes, 24/7.

Oh Climate change comes because the earth is intellectually divided into 181 temperate zones, the 181st is 0 degrees between north and south hemispheres like day and night are hemispheres of facing the star it revolves around and looking at the universe beyond the solar system each rotation forward as the equator with 90 latitudes to polar caps of axis having opposite seasons each solstice and equinoxes 1461 days by factual calendars while in actual evolving only 1460 take place.

February 29 is a made up rotation that never existed in actual evolving. Devil in the details of relative time management of people cradle to grave within one species.

sole » 17 Jul 2026, 3:39 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2026, 3:39 am

Treaties create allies following the same ideas about controlling tomorrow's outcomes, today. How? longitude and latitude 360 longitudes 60 seconds, 60 minutes, 24/7.

Oh Climate change comes because the earth is intellectually divided into 181 temperate zones, the 181st is 0 degrees between north and south hemispheres like day and night are hemispheres of facing the star it revolves around and looking at the universe beyond the solar system each rotation forward as the equator with 90 latitudes to polar caps of axis having opposite seasons each solstice and equinoxes 1461 days by factual calendars while in actual evolving only 1460 take place.

February 29 is a made up rotation that never existed in actual evolving. Devil in the details of relative time management of people cradle to grave within one species.

America  broken down... none of them can think..

Low Trumpstopsterone...
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2026, 12:00 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2026, 12:00 am

 Hitting CHINA would have been odd. Hitting Singapore? No. Not odd at all. More predictable than odd.

Singapore is a natural target for Iran. It's part of the bloc attacking Iran. It has no diplomatic mission in Iran, and it vigorously enforces the UN sanctions against Iran. When Iran initiated talks about conditions of transit, Singapore told Iran to **** off. Not a penny for tribute. So it knew when it sent its ship in that it might look very different when it came out. 

Singapore recently did a soft shoe recon about joining BRICS. It was immediately rebuffed by China, due to its deep ties to the US and the west. 

The US is sanctioning not just Russia, but countries that do business with Russia. 

Iran is attacking not just the US, but nations that play bitch to the US. Ride with outlaws, hang with outlaws.

Just to give you some background, Singapore has supported Coupkraine with materiel, money, and diplomatic efforts. Singapore has unilaterally sanctioned Russia. In every east vs. west kerfuffle, Singapore always bats for the west - for the people sending missiles into Iran.

Now you know who's who - and why Singapore is a perfect target for Iran's payback. Iran isn't trying to fight sea battles with the 6th fleet. It's fighting its own war - intelligently. And it is winning. And in a world where girls' schools and hospitals and civilian infratructure are legitimate targets, so is Singaporean shipping. 

And at least Iran has not, to anyone's knowledge, operated homosexual torture dungeons, like some countries do.

Iran is an incest farm instead of homo dungeon. I've read a book or two.  

Now they're fighting back like a family of raccoons trapped in a kitchen that just had the lights flipped on.
Mosaic governors are lashing out and kind of **** **** up... Intelligently? I dunno 'bout that.

 

Johnny You » 17 Jul 2026, 5:16 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2026, 5:16 am

America  broken down... none of them can think..

Low Trumpstopsterone...
 

your reality broke away from how evolving actually works in plain sight. Every reality humanity engineered as societal evolution in history and current events are involved.

Mind over matter is choices believed over navigating time living in a series parallel environment equally spacing ancestors apart now each as part of the native food chain to this specific universal location.

DeezerShoove » 17 Jul 2026, 7:28 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2026, 7:28 am

Iran is an incest farm instead of homo dungeon. I've read a book or two.  

Now they're fighting back like a family of raccoons trapped in a kitchen that just had the lights flipped on.
Mosaic governors are lashing out and kind of **** **** up... Intelligently? I dunno 'bout that.

So far, they have survived trump's attempt at regime change through murder, survived the full onslaught of conventional missiles that the world's hegemon could send their way, and bombed the **** out of any and all US infrastructure in the region. They've caused a rift in NATO when the entire organization refused to help the US clear the strait. They've frustrated every goal that the US had when it illegally bombed their country during negotiations. They've made an outright liar of trump on the world stage, shoving his claims down his fat throat and up his fat *** for the entire world to see. No question about that - they've confuted and humiliated the fatmouth. 

I'd call that winning. We might have different definitions. For example, you might consider it a "win" that the western media refuses to truthfully report the *** whiping that the US has taken. We're "winning" in the press. 

As to the racoons, last I checked, even a racoon has a right to defend itself and a right to decide when its own lights get turnt on. 

As to Mosaic governors "lashing out and kind of **** **** up", you have mastered the western narrative well. But then, that is the only narrative to which you appear to have access. That puts you steps behind people in **** hole countries. Moldovans have a leg up on you. 

At the end of the day, wars will always be fought on battlefields. That is where things are decided - not in the western press.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Z60384K2k

 
 

sole » 17 Jul 2026, 11:27 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2026, 11:27 am

your reality broke away from how evolving actually works in plain sight. Every reality humanity engineered as societal evolution in history and current events are involved.

Mind over matter is choices believed over navigating time living in a series parallel environment equally spacing ancestors apart now each as part of the native food chain to this specific universal location.

Can you just stare at a potato and bake itt?

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2026, 2:11 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2026, 2:11 pm

So far, they have survived trump's attempt at regime change through murder, survived the full onslaught of conventional missiles that the world's hegemon could send their way, and bombed the **** out of any and all US infrastructure in the region. They've caused a rift in NATO when the entire organization refused to help the US clear the strait. They've frustrated every goal that the US had when it illegally bombed their country during negotiations. They've made an outright liar of trump on the world stage, shoving his claims down his fat throat and up his fat *** for the entire world to see. No question about that - they've confuted and humiliated the fatmouth. 

I'd call that winning. We might have different definitions. For example, you might consider it a "win" that the western media refuses to truthfully report the *** whiping that the US has taken. We're "winning" in the press. 

As to the racoons, last I checked, even a racoon has a right to defend itself and a right to decide when its own lights get turnt on. 

As to Mosaic governors "lashing out and kind of **** **** up", you have mastered the western narrative well. But then, that is the only narrative to which you appear to have access. That puts you steps behind people in **** hole countries. Moldovans have a leg up on you. 

At the end of the day, wars will always be fought on battlefields. That is where things are decided - not in the western press.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Z60384K2k

We have dealt an *** whoopin' to Iran. Doesn't mean we win.
If you are implying I think it's a win, you are in error.

The raccoon analogy is quite fitting. They may be finally killed or they may finally get out.
Either way the place is **** up - both parties lose.

Meanwhile the neighbors look back at last night and say, "What the **** was that all about?"

I made up "Mosaic Governors" to purposely pigeon hole them as a committee of disagreeables.
AI (2 different versions) corroborate my viewpoint. MSM blows; I ingore it. AI ain't much better (but it is...)
As they independently fight the family with the brooms and golf clubs, there is no cooperation.
Every Mosaic Raccoon for himself...
 

DeezerShoove » 17 Jul 2026, 9:00 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2026, 9:00 pm

We have dealt an *** whoopin' to Iran. Doesn't mean we win.
If you are implying I think it's a win, you are in error.

The raccoon analogy is quite fitting. They may be finally killed or they may finally get out.
Either way the place is **** up - both parties lose.

Meanwhile the neighbors look back at last night and say, "What the **** was that all about?"

I made up "Mosaic Governors" to purposely pigeon hole them as a committee of disagreeables.
AI (2 different versions) corroborate my viewpoint. MSM blows; I ingore it. AI ain't much better (but it is...)
As they independently fight the family with the brooms and golf clubs, there is no cooperation.
Every Mosaic Raccoon for himself...

If that AI version were true, iran would not have made an incompetent clown of trump in front of the world.
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2026, 9:03 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2026, 9:03 pm

If that AI version were true, iran would not have made an incompetent clown of trump in front of the world.

I would setttle fpor hear comes Jimmy Carter again..

The phooking price of gas..


https://youtu.be/n4nPa35CZPI?si=4Th88utsxWNy0PjA

Cannonpointer » 10 Jul 2026, 9:21 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jul 2026, 9:21 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mjMxswV3KE

In the arrms of cheezy

we are lost..

https://youtu.be/zYKupOsaJmk?si=CK8IurSWSzjYAh8I