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Blackvegetable » 09 Aug 2026, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 12:03 pm

Huey » 09 Aug 2026, 11:56 am » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 11:56 am

PS.  He was telling a joke, Melty.  One you obviously didn't get.

ffs..

 

 

 

Beekeeper » 09 Aug 2026, 9:56 am » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 9:56 am

Notice how @Blackvegetable  is TOTALLY running from the FACT that his KNEEGROW GOD lied like a **** rug to the AMERICAN PEOPLE!!

AND how 100% of his CLAIMS WERE TOTALLY OBLITERATED INSIDE OF A FEW YEARS!!

Costs TODAY are something like 200% higher today that they were when ovomit got more involved in HEALTHCARE. Which ALWAYS happens the more GOVERNMENT gets involved!!

Not only have COSTS gone up, but DEDUCTABLES are out of sight, out of POCKET spending is a higher percentage than ever, and people are being DENIED COVERAGE FOR PROCEDURES more than ever!!

And our IDIOT BV wants to use some obscure "inelasticity of demand" THEORY to explain his stance??? WHAT A **** RETARDED IDIOT THAT ASSHOLE IS!!

probably saw it somewhere on the interweb…now it’s the catchphrase of the day…
 

Huey » 09 Aug 2026, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 12:17 pm

Try that one again, 

one set of rules, Melty...

ROG62 » 09 Aug 2026, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 12:25 pm

probably saw it somewhere on the interweb…now it’s the catchphrase of the day…

Graduate level economics, JuCo...

Not everyone is as **** ignorant as you.


[Kenneth Arrow]
was an American economist who co-won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences in 1972 for his pioneering contributions to general economic equilibrium theory and welfare theory. [1, 2, 3] 

## Contributions to Health EconomicsWhile Arrow is famous for general equilibrium and his "Impossibility Theorem," his 1963 landmark paper, Uncertainty and the Welfare Economics of Medical Care, effectively founded the entire field of health economics. [4, 5, 6, 7]  * *

Market Failure: He argued that healthcare cannot operate like a standard competitive market due to pervasive uncertainty (not knowing when you will get sick) and asymmetric information (doctors knowing more than patients). [8, 9] *

 Inelasticity Connection: This uncertainty and the vital necessity of care are what structurally drive the price inelasticity of healthcare demand. Patients cannot easily reduce consumption when prices rise, creating a unique economic environment that justifies insurance markets and government intervention.*   [1] [https://www.britannica.com](https://www.britannica.com/money/Kenneth-Arrow)
[2] [https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com](https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/r ... eth-arrow/)
[3] [https://www.econlib.org](https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/bios/Arrow.html)
[4] [https://www.nobelprize.org](https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/econo ... row/facts/)
[5] [https://www.hetwebsite.net](https://www.hetwebsite.net/het/profiles/arrow.htm)
[6] [https://www.cato.org](https://www.cato.org/commentary/kenneth ... -you-think)
[7] [https://santosh-shevade.medium.com](https://santosh-shevade.medium.com/heal ... 9166dc859c)
[8] [https://www.cato.org](https://www.cato.org/commentary/kenneth ... -you-think)
[9] [https://medium.com](https://medium.com/@Mehrsa.MD/from-nobe ... d4ec02114c)

 

Blackvegetable » 09 Aug 2026, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 12:28 pm

Huey » 09 Aug 2026, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 12:17 pm

one set of rules, Melty...

It is one set of rules.  Your rules and etiquette for posting on other people's threads.  You don't like your own rules, Dueche.
 
 

Medical Professionals don't give a **** what some economist has to say on the matter. They live in the real world, not some theory.

Most healthcare practitioners are highly resistant to taking a pay cut to fund Medicare for All, though their overall willingness heavily depends on whether a single-payer system would actually lower their incomes or just reduce their administrative overhead.

Current Financial Pressures
The debate occurs at a time when physicians report being at a financial breaking point due to ongoing, incremental adjustments to the standard Medicare Physician Fee Schedule. Independent practices have faced consecutive years of conversion factor and practice expense cuts from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), which do not keep pace with inflation or overhead costs like rent and salaries. Because current Medicare reimbursement already pushes thin-margin practices into financial distress, the prospect of a mandatory, system-wide shift to these rates creates deep apprehension across the medical community.

Concerns Over Income Reductions
Many doctors and medical groups oppose Medicare for All proposals because they often dictate that healthcare provider payments be set at standard Medicare reimbursement rates. On average, current Medicare rates are roughly 40% lower than the rates paid by private health insurance. Because independent practices and hospitals rely on private insurance to subsidize their Medicare losses, a shift to a single-payer system utilizing standard Medicare rates could jeopardize their financial sustainability and lead to sharp pay cuts.

Huey » 09 Aug 2026, 1:31 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 1:31 pm

It is one set of rules.  Your rules and etiquette

That's ****, @*TinyVictim. 
 
 

Huey » 09 Aug 2026, 1:31 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 1:31 pm

Blackvegetable » 09 Aug 2026, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 12:28 pm

Huey » 09 Aug 2026, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 12:17 pm

 

one set of rules, Melty...

It is one set of rules.  Your rules and etiquette for posting on other people's threads.  You don't like your own rules, Dueche.
 
 

 

 

Blackvegetable » 09 Aug 2026, 2:50 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 2:50 pm

Huey » 09 Aug 2026, 1:31 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 1:31 pm

It is one set of rules.  Your rules and etiquette for posting on other people's threads.  You don't like your own rules, Dueche
 

That's ****, @*TinyVictim. 
 
 

 

Melty, there is absolutely no context where YOU can make me a victim.  Try that again wit the entire quote, Douche.

Does your daughter understand what a douche you are?

*Roshambo » 09 Aug 2026, 7:09 am » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 7:09 am

Israel has a universal healthcare system established by the National Health Insurance Law of 1994. Every resident is legally required to join one of four non-profit health maintenance organizations, known as Kupot Holim, and is guaranteed a comprehensive, government-subsidized basket of medical care regardless of income or pre-existing conditions.

Israel consistently outperforms the United States on major global health scores, life expectancy, and healthcare system efficiency. Israel features universal healthcare mandated by law, lower infant mortality, and a higher average life span, while spending a significantly smaller percentage of its GDP on healthcare than the U.S

Hey MAGA's you see this. Israel's health care outperforms the USA's and it is government-subsidized as well.

Don't forget, you are paying for Israel's health care as well.

     

Huey » 09 Aug 2026, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 3:01 pm

Melty, there is absolutely no context 

Every single one, Mincing Little Coward...

Blackvegetable » 09 Aug 2026, 10:06 am » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 10:06 am

We'll get to that in a minute...

You work on Inelasticity...

We'll wait here...

Something about breaking eggs to make an omelette...due to the number of idiotz who can't be made to understand public policy...so one thing I wouldn't condemn Obama for is treating the country like a bunch of idiots (because...well they are...Trump has also done the same with very little pushback)

I recall progressives were angry at Obamacare because of the sheer pricing power it left to the insurance companies, but I suppose it can be argued Obama didn't have enough support to push through a superior plan. I will leave the more progressive factions to argue w/ the moderate Dems on that one.

 
 

LowIQTrash » 09 Aug 2026, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 3:05 pm

Something about breaking eggs to make an omelette...due to the number of idiotz who can't be made to understand public policy...so one thing I wouldn't condemn Obama for is treating the country like a bunch of idiots (because...well they are...Trump has also done the same with very little pushback)

I recall progressives were angry at Obamacare because of the sheer pricing power it left to the insurance companies, but I suppose it can be argued Obama didn't have enough support to push through a superior plan. I will leave the more progressive factions to argue w/ the moderate Dems on that one.

He obliged the insurance companies to refund premiums which exceeded payouts plus a fixed margin.

LowIQTrash » 09 Aug 2026, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 3:05 pm

Something about breaking eggs to make an omelette...due to the number of idiotz who can't be made to understand public policy...so one thing I wouldn't condemn Obama for is treating the country like a bunch of idiots (because...well they are...Trump has also done the same with very little pushback)

I recall progressives were angry at Obamacare because of the sheer pricing power it left to the insurance companies, but I suppose it can be argued Obama didn't have enough support to push through a superior plan. I will leave the more progressive factions to argue w/ the moderate Dems on that one.

I'd like to know how @*TinyVictim finds coverage for two 55+s for $600/mo.


And the moxie to bitch about it...
 

Blackvegetable » 09 Aug 2026, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 3:05 pm

Huey » 09 Aug 2026, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 3:01 pm

It is one set of rules.  Your rules and etiquette for posting on other people's threads.  You don't like your own rules, Dueche
 

Every single one, Mincing Little Coward...

 

FIFY.

That's amusing.  You have my name.  You have my pic. You have my address.  You have directions to my home.  You have posted info about my home from Real Estate sites.  By your own admission I wa within 33 miles from you and you did nothing.  I have none of that info.

You need to re-evaluate who the Mincing Little Coward is, Mincing Little Coward.  Let me know when your ex returns your balls and you are at 33 mil3s from me. 

Then you can call me a coward if I don't show up.  

Well, family is on the way.  I gotta go.  Have a nice lonely night with your towel and hand lotion.
 

Blackvegetable » 09 Aug 2026, 11:32 am » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 11:32 am

Shut the **** up.

Correct.

AND BECAUSE we have the GREATEST and most SOUGHT AFTER HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD, ****!! Which mean, we would have what to PAY FOR IT ALL ****?? HIGHEST TAXES EVER!!

When's the last time you saw someone going to the UK or FRANCE for a procedure that would take them 2 years to get in their OWN NATION?? OR what was the LAST GREATEST HEALTH CARE INNOVATION THAT CAME OUT OF ANY OF THOSE NATIONS?? Because all of that counts toward "healthcare costs" in this little **** CHART OF  YOURS!!

Oh, and ****, that happens to be 2018. 8 YEARS behind the times, so that's NO WHERE CLOSE TO ACCURATE TODAY!!

Now, SHUT THE **** UP!!!
 

Beekeeper » 09 Aug 2026, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 3:26 pm

Correct.

AND BECAUSE 

Shut the **** up now.

Huey » 09 Aug 2026, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 3:25 pm

FIFY.

That's amusing.  You have my name.  

what's amusing is your consistent cowardice.

Huey » 09 Aug 2026, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 3:25 pm

FIFY.

That's amusing.  You have my name.  You have my pic. You have my address.  You have directions to my home.  You have posted info about my home from Real Estate sites.  By your own admission I wa within 33 miles from you and you did nothing.  I have none of that info.
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You need to re-evaluate who the Mincing Little Coward is, Mincing Little Coward.  Let me know when your ex returns your balls and you are at 33 mil3s from me. 

Then you can call me a coward if I don't show up.  

Well, family is on the way.  I gotta go.  Have a nice lonely night with your towel and hand lotion.

     
I was TOLD he buys a tube of Astrolube every week. The BIG one.

Blackvegetable » 09 Aug 2026, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 3:28 pm

what's amusing is your consistent cowardice.

Hey ******, I gave YOU a **** ADDRESS, DATE, AND TIME, and YOU **** RAN LIKE THE YELLOWBELLIED PIECE OF **** YOU ARE!!

NOW, SHUT THE **** UP, ****!!

What a ****       

Blackvegetable » 09 Aug 2026, 3:27 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2026, 3:27 pm

Shut the **** up now.

COME MAKE ME, DOUCHE!!

Chase me.