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The thread title is not my claim. It is Russia's claim. 

I just happen to agree with Moscow, 100%.

Consider Russia's argument, and see if you agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkdq2eNf534

And it's  still the Gulf of Mexico..

Gorby tore down that wall man..

You gotta build it again.. 

Vikrant has not cleared the YouTube filter yet here..
 
 

I did find the PBS doc on people 3D Printing drones and weapons parts in their living rooms this week as interesting as Quite Frankly..

It's in the Asymmetric Warfare thread..

No weapons factory to blow up.. 3D Printed Army is dispersed and works remote guerilla insitu warrfare. Maybe there was a reason Putin hit apartment buildings..
 

I'm willing to bet Canada is not helping Iran with it's new missiles..

Cannonpointer » 09 Sep 2026, 3:48 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 3:48 pm

The thread title is not my claim. It is Russia's claim. 

I just happen to agree with Moscow, 100%.

Consider Russia's argument, and see if you agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkdq2eNf534

When does your history begin, Usefool?

BV shut you **** retarded cumtrap

Cannonpointer » 09 Sep 2026, 3:48 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 3:48 pm

The thread title is not my claim. It is Russia's claim. 

I just happen to agree with Moscow, 100%.

Consider Russia's argument, and see if you agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkdq2eNf534

Kiev is actually older than Russia by a long shot. So it depends what timeframe you need to go back to in order to support one view versus another. 30+ years, 1200 years, 1600 years.
So the upstart Russia wants to claim "some farmland" based on conditions releasing that vassal state a few decades ago? How convenient. However, things changed since 1990. oops...

It took Russia long enough to come up with this reasoning. Wasn't this started because ethnic Russians were being brutalized? In a state that we now know didn't exist? I smell propaganda.

Blackvegetable » 09 Sep 2026, 6:39 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 6:39 pm

When does your history begin, Usefool?

Why can't the entirety of NATO defeat Russia after.... how many years now? 


Either Russia is strong, or NATO is weak. Which is it?

DeezerShoove » 09 Sep 2026, 9:12 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 9:12 pm

Kiev is actually older than Russia by a long shot. So it depends what timeframe you need to go back to in order to support one view versus another. 30+ years, 1200 years, 1600 years.
So the upstart Russia wants to claim "some farmland" based on conditions releasing that vassal state a few decades ago? How convenient. However, things changed since 1990. oops...

It took Russia long enough to come up with this reasoning. Wasn't this started because ethnic Russians were being brutalized? In a state that we now know didn't exist? I smell propaganda.

It's a legal argument - not "propaganda." When you find yourself calling anything and everything one side says "propaganda," you become part of the problem. You make matters ireeconcilable, since language is no longer language but a dirty word instead. Nothing is left but sticks and stones, once you fromally reject language as a means to end a war. 

Russia DID raise the issue AT THE TIME that Coupkraine broke the Big Treaty of Friendship (Russia's formal recognition of Ukraine's sovereignty, based on Ukraine obeying the treaty - which treaty incorporated the pledges made in the Declaration of Independence). In response to Coupkraine breaking the treaty, Russia took Crimea and began to back the separatists in the oblasts which did not agree with the coup. At the start of the SMO, Russia offered Coupkraine their original borders, minus Crimea - but they had to embrace again the three pledges on which Russia's agreement to recognize their state was based: Non-nuclear, non-aligned, neutral. Ukraine was the solid wall of neutrality and non-alignment between NATO and Moscow, which served the LEGITIMATE insterests of all parties. 

What you need to understand is that when a coup takes place, not everyone is going to recognize the coup. Some will remain loyal. 

In the case of Russian speaking oblasts, remaining loyal was a no-brainer, because the first thing the coup government did was to outlaw the languages of minority Ukrainians. This affects Hungarians, Romainians, Poles, and Russians. That's a problem for people, having their language outlawed. To this day, Hungary is blocking Coupkraine's EU accession steps because of their persecution of ethnic Hungarians on the shared border.

As to Kiev being the original capital of the Rus, that is correct. But the Rus moved their capital. So what? There was no Ukraine until Russia said so. That's a fact. Kiev being their original capiitol is an excuse and a complaint - not a relevant aspect of the issues the war is being fought about.
I will wager dollars to donuts you don't even know what the issue of the war ARE. . 
 
 
 

Blackvegetable » 09 Sep 2026, 6:39 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 6:39 pm

When does your history begin, Usefool?

When your mom gets off my dick, fruit.
 

JohnnyYou » 09 Sep 2026, 4:38 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 4:38 pm

I did find the PBS doc on people 3D Printing drones and weapons parts in their living rooms this week as interesting as Quite Frankly..

It's in the Asymmetric Warfare thread..

No weapons factory to blow up.. 3D Printed Army is dispersed and works remote guerilla insitu warrfare. Maybe there was a reason Putin hit apartment buildings..

You're a queer. Putin never aimed at apartment buildings. Your master in the green t-shirt DID. 
 

FJB » 09 Sep 2026, 7:20 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 7:20 pm

BV shut you **** retarded cumtrap

BV's just being the dick sucker his mama raised. 

One can begin history at the big bang, and Ukraine was never a sovereign state until 1990, when Russia granted them their statehood. ANd that was based on promises.

They broke the promises.

They lost their statehood. 

Now, they are just the ground where east and west are fighting - instead of being the ground that guaranteed east and west would never fight. 
 

SouthernFried » 09 Sep 2026, 9:33 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 9:33 pm

Why can't the entirety of NATO defeat Russia after.... how many years now? 

Either Russia is strong, or NATO is weak. Which is it?

Every week, they are reporting that Russia is "likely" to strike a nato nation soon.
Every week, they are reporting that Russia is in danger of immanent economic collapse. 
Russia was "just about" to run entirely out of missiles 4 years ago. 

Everything they have ever said has been a lie - DEMONSTRABLY. And I am waiting to hear @Deezer Shoove  call the west's proveably false blather of the past four years "propaganda."
 

SouthernFried » 09 Sep 2026, 9:33 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 9:33 pm

Why can't the entirety of NATO defeat Russia after.... how many years now? 

Either Russia is strong, or NATO is weak. Which is it?

Because Russia isn't fighting "the entirety of NATO", or anything close to it.

And this may go down in history as the most inept military campaign ever.

Cannonpointer » 09 Sep 2026, 10:21 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 10:21 pm

Every week, they are reporting that Russia is "likely" to strike a nato nation soon.
Every week, they are reporting that Russia is in danger of immanent economic collapse. 
Russia was "just about" to run entirely out of missiles 4 years ago. 

Everything they have ever said has been a lie - DEMONSTRABLY. And I am waiting to hear @Deezer Shoove  call the west's proveably false blather of the past four years "propaganda."

Every week, they are reporting that Russia is "likely" to strike a nato nation soon.

No "they" aren't. 

Every week, they are reporting that Russia is in danger of immanent economic collapse. 

Not seeing that either, but it surely is being squeezed and operating inefficiently.

 

Blackvegetable » 09 Sep 2026, 10:37 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 10:37 pm

No "they" aren't. 

Not seeing that either, but it surely is being squeezed and operating inefficiently.

I can't help that Vanity Fair is more interested in fiction than in reportage, fruity. 

For all of the squeezing and resulting inefficiency - and I object to neither claim, - Russia has an enormous advantage over the west. The government controls the MIC. In the west, the MIC controls the government, forcing it to fight with whatever weapons it pleases the MIC to sell. 

What a hundred cardboard drones does to a patriot battery is a source of mirth for the very gods of Olympus. 

PS - FYI, "they" are the european press. Europe is a continent east of here. In fact, it's where Ukraine is.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/BW_ ... L1500_.jpg

For the record, I disagree with the inclusion of Turkey.

Also, Greece, Italy, and Albania. 

And Kosovo. 

 
 

Blackvegetable » 09 Sep 2026, 10:34 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 10:34 pm

Because Russia isn't fighting "the entirety of NATO", or anything close to it.

And this may go down in history as the most inept military campaign ever.

Yes they are. Are you saying that NATO hasn't thrown billions to Ukraine? Especially the U.S. thanks to the previous joke of an administration. Where are the results? 

SouthernFried » 09 Sep 2026, 11:34 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 11:34 pm

Yes they are. Are you saying that NATO hasn't thrown billions to Ukraine? Especially the U.S. thanks to the previous joke of an administration. Where are the results?

you're a **** idiot. 
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Sep 2026, 11:12 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 11:12 pm

I can't help that Vanity Fair is more interested in fiction than in reportage, fruity. 



 

List your sources. 

Cannonpointer » 09 Sep 2026, 3:48 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2026, 3:48 pm

The thread title is not my claim. It is Russia's claim. 

I just happen to agree with Moscow, 100%.

Consider Russia's argument, and see if you agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkdq2eNf534

So, one group of people can state another group of people aren't a state of mind on the world stage of making believe now isn't self evident time evolving as genetic outcomes of ancestral lineages are being specifically eternally separating each reproduction native to this atmosphere perpetually balancing outcomes of genetic combinations existed since inception of ancestral lineages creating their own replacements in biological order of current global population in each species category present.

Such is the free will of people agreeing to disagree how evolving actually works in their own body. Current global events within homo sapiens existing in plain sight by choices made and secrets kept from each last generation gap arriving one great great grandchild at a time while previous 4 generations are dying off one at a time in series parallel results.

Simple to say, context provides the means to govern people by self deception using hope, faith, charity, 7 artificial tomorrows 1461 rotations when only 1460 took place.

I discovered the intellectual missing link in political views by spiritual souls capitalizing off reasonable doubt educated to every generation gap in current ancestral lineages of this species. February 29 is a fake day in the life of living since conception.