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Misty » 18 Jan 2018 9:00 pm » wrote:45 has lied repeatedly to sell us on his policies.
You have said that those are the only lies that you care about.
Now you are dancing and squirming all around, asking for specifics, because you know that what I said was true.
You failed.

‘SH*T IS ABOUT TO HIT THE FAN’: Ex-Secret Service Agent Warns ‘Devastating’ FISA Memo Set To ‘Expose’ Obama
January 18, 2018 by Joshua Caplan 371 Comments
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The House Intel panel’s passage of New York Republican Rep. Peter King’s motion to release the FISA abuse memo to fellow House members has rocked Washington, D.C.

Lawmakers from Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) to Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-NY) have called for the classified memo’s immediate release. According to Fox News contributor Sara Carter, the contents of the memo are so “explosive,” that it could end special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe once and for all.

Former Secret Service agent Dan Bongino warned the release of the FISA report will destroy the image of his former boss Barack Obama.

“Take it to the bank, the FBI/FISA docs are devastating for the Dems. The whole image of a benevolent Barack Obama they’ve disingenuously tried to portray is about to be destroyed. The real Obama, the vengeful narcissist, is going to be exposed for all to see,” tweeted Dan Bongino“My sincere apologies for the expletive but **** IS ABOUT TO HIT THE FAN. The former Obama administration’s going to have a lot of explaining to do.”

“Release the memo and watch the rats run away like the cowards they are. Your mind is about to blown, and your eyes open, to both the power of the federal govt, and the vengefulness of an Obama administration hellbent on destroying Trump,” added Bongino.

Last week, Bongino called the Steele dossier firestorm is “the most explosivescandal.”

It’s getting ready to burst!” the former Secret Service agent added.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01 ... ose-obama/

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 9:07 pm » wrote:Specifics please.

Do you mean the part where most brackets are getting a cut? The bottom brackets 3-4 percent and the rich around 2? Or something like the mortgage deduction getting capped @ 750,000? You got one of those mortgages? How about the cap on property deductions and such?

Again, you ask a general question then when it is answered you claim that isn’t what you were talking about.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 9:30 pm » wrote:

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 9:07 pm » wrote:Specifics please.

Do you mean the part where most brackets are getting a cut? The bottom brackets 3-4 percent and the rich around 2? Or something like the mortgage deduction getting capped @ 750,000? You got one of those mortgages? How about the cap on property deductions and such?

Again, you ask a general question then when it is answered you claim that isn’t what you were talking about.

45 didn't give any specifics when he said that the tax bill he signed was going to mostly benefit the middle class and hurt him and his rich friends.

He was making a general statement about the whole plan.

You are just using that specifics **** argument because you know that he lied about that to sell his policy.

Trump tax plan benefits rich people in major ways - Business Insider

Trump’s Tax Cuts Are the Biggest Wealth Grab in Modern History - Fortune

Republican tax plan benefits wealthy the most, poll says - Marketwatch

And don't think that I didn't notice that you completely ignored the rest of my post.
Couldn't come up with any **** about specifics for the rest of 45's lies, huh?

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 9:30 pm » wrote:

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 9:07 pm » wrote:Specifics please.

Do you mean the part where most brackets are getting a cut? The bottom brackets 3-4 percent and the rich around 2? Or something like the mortgage deduction getting capped @ 750,000? You got one of those mortgages? How about the cap on property deductions and such?

Again, you ask a general question then when it is answered you claim that isn’t what you were talking about.

45 didn't give any specifics when he said that the tax bill he signed was going to mostly benefit the middle class and hurt him and his rich friends.

He was making a general statement about the whole plan.

You are just using that specifics **** argument because you know that he lied about that to sell his policy.

Trump tax plan benefits rich people in major ways - Business Insider

Trump’s Tax Cuts Are the Biggest Wealth Grab in Modern History - Fortune

Republican tax plan benefits wealthy the most, poll says - Marketwatch

And don't think that I didn't notice that you completely ignored the rest of my post.
Couldn't come up with any **** about specifics for the rest of 45's lies, huh?

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 9:11 pm » wrote:One last thing. Misty you do realize that as of December deportations were Down from the previous year. The previous year was Obama’s.

That has already been posted.

The rest was TLDR.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 9:00 pm » wrote:

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 1:01 pm » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 12:44 pm » wrote:How about the lie that his tax cuts are going to mainly benefit middle and working class people and hurt rich people like him?
Or the lie that his failed healthcare bill was going to deliver on his promise that everyone would be covered, and it would be much better care, that would cost people less than what they had under Obamacare.
I seem to remember him saying during the campaign that he was only going to deport 'bad hombres' with criminal records and that he was not going to tear families apart.
That was a lie.

1. Which part of his tax cuts are you discussing? Specifics please.

I'm talking about the whole thing jerkoff.
Tell me that what 45 said was true, when he was trying to sell us on his tax cuts, that they would mainly benefit the middle and working class and hurt him and his rich friends.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwew1UupOHc

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 1:01 pm » wrote:2.. Link to the specific lie on health care.

Would the health care bill that failed would have accomplished all of that?

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 1:01 pm » wrote:3. When his immigration policy is in place I will agree or disagree. I will say that his comments recently on immigration appear to be an Obama Pivot on this particular issue.

Some of his immigration policies are already in effect through executive order.
He said that he was only going to concentrate on deporting 'bad hombres' but that is not what he is doing.

Five deported immigrants slam Trump's 'bad hombre' lie.

He is deporting people who are working, paying taxes and who are not criminals.
And he is deporting people who were brought here as children, through no fault of their own.
Ask people like Jorge Garcia or those who are losing their DACA protection every day.

He also said that he would not break up families.
Again, ask people like Jorge Garcia if their family was broken up.

NEW DHS NUMBERS SHOW TRUMP IS DEPORTING LONGTIME U.S. RESIDENTS, RIPPING FAMILIES APART

The Mothers Being Deported by Trump

The dotard told Chuck Todd that he would not break up families and he would accomplish that goal by deporting the whole family together.

45: “We’re going to keep the families together, but they have to go.”

Trump told Todd he wasn’t going to break up families.

He would boot all of them.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/08 ... ave-to-go/

Many families, like Jorge Garcia's are mixed status.
His wife and kids are US citizens, so I guess the idiot thinks that he can deport US citizens.

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 1:01 pm » wrote:But again, without specific comments and links I am not agreeing or disagreeing. You have a failed memory and this is your MO. Post generalities so you can’t be pinned down.

Is that pinned down enough for you Sparkey?

45 has lied repeatedly to sell us on his policies.
You have said that those are the only lies that you care about.
Now you are dancing and squirming all around, asking for specifics, because you know that what I said was true.
You failed.

Termin8tor » 18 Jan 2018 9:06 pm » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 9:00 pm » wrote:I'm talking about the whole thing jerkoff.
Tell me that what 45 said was true, when he was trying to sell us on his tax cuts, that they would mainly benefit the middle and working class and hurt him and his rich friends.

80% of Americans are going to get a very significant tax cut.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 9:40 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 18 Jan 2018 9:06 pm » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 9:00 pm » wrote:I'm talking about the whole thing jerkoff.
Tell me that what 45 said was true, when he was trying to sell us on his tax cuts, that they would mainly benefit the middle and working class and hurt him and his rich friends.

80% of Americans are going to get a very significant tax cut.
The Trump Boom has begun.
Good luck selling your babbling **** to voters when they find that out in detail.

I'd love to know what you think of as significant.

45 said that the average household would get $4,000 more a year.

onlyaladd » 18 Jan 2018 9:45 pm » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 9:40 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 18 Jan 2018 9:06 pm » wrote:80% of Americans are going to get a very significant tax cut.

The Trump Boom has begun.

Good luck selling your babbling **** to voters when they find that out in detail.

I'd love to know what you think of as significant.

And the top 1% get 83% of the gains.

45 said that the average household would get $4,000 more a year.

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 9:43 pm » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 9:40 pm » wrote:45 said that the average household would get $4,000 more a year.

You got something that says they are not?
Make sure you are talking about the bill that passed the Senate on dec 20. Not what your first two links are talking about.

onlyaladd » 18 Jan 2018 9:45 pm » wrote:Here are a few of the ACTUAL records Trump set for his first year in office

blah, blah, blah

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 10:06 pm » wrote: I don't care which bill it was.
The White Houses claim that the average household stands to benefit by $4,000 to $9,000 from the tax cuts is a bunch of ****.

It is based on a report by Kevin Hassett, the head of Trump’s Council of Economic Advisers.
He said that reducing the top corporate tax rate would boost middle-class incomes substantially.
Anywhere from $4,000 to $9,000.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 142a23e5a4

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/25/news/ec ... tml?iid=EL

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... te-tax-cut

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 9:30 pm » wrote:Trump’s Tax Cuts Are the Biggest Wealth Grab in Modern History - Fortune

Termin8tor » 18 Jan 2018 10:06 pm » wrote:That $4,000 figure sounds about right.

Cutting the corporate tax rate to 20 percent, as President Donald Trump has proposed, would increase average household income by at least $4,000 a year, according to estimates in a White House study.

The study by Trump’s Council of Economic Advisers, released on Monday, says that kind of wage growth would take several years to go into effect, but it could eventually reach $9,000 a year.

Other economists have previously questioned how beneficial such cuts would be for middle-income families.

The projection is based on the assumption that companies will be more inclined to invest in the U.S. with lower taxes, increasing the demand for workers and driving up wages.

But some economists suggest that corporate executives would be more inclined to use a tax windfall to increase shareholders’ dividends, or to invest in automation that could limit the need for more workers in some industries.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... te-tax-cut

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 10:14 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 18 Jan 2018 10:06 pm » wrote:That $4,000 figure sounds about right.

That is an estimate by the head of 45's Council of Economic Advisers and it is based on an assumption.
Many economists disagree with him.

Termin8tor » 18 Jan 2018 10:09 pm » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 10:06 pm » wrote:I don't care which bill it was.
The White Houses claim that the average household stands to benefit by $4,000 to $9,000 from the tax cuts is a bunch of ****.

It is based on a report by Kevin Hassett, the head of Trump’s Council of Economic Advisers.
He said that reducing the top corporate tax rate would boost middle-class incomes substantially.
Anywhere from $4,000 to $9,000.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 142a23e5a4

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/25/news/ec ... tml?iid=EL

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... te-tax-cut

Quote what you think is relevant, psycho.
I don't chase links for liars.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 10:14 pm » wrote: That is an estimate by the head of 45's Council of Economic Advisers and it is based on an assumption.
Many economists disagree with him.

The projection is based on the assumption that companies will be more inclined to invest in the U.S. with lower taxes, increasing the demand for workers and driving up wages.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 10:18 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 18 Jan 2018 10:09 pm » wrote:Quote what you think is relevant, psycho.

I don't chase links for liars.

Of course not because you might accidentally stumble upon the truth.

It's all relevant you jackass.