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RichClem » 16 Jul 2014 2:53 pm » wrote:
Cite Cato next time. They're credible.

I'm **** speechless.

greatnpowerfuloz » 16 Jul 2014 4:39 pm » wrote:

Nicely done.

golfboy » 16 Jul 2014 4:42 pm » wrote: Nicely done.

I spare no effort for dreamers of clem's caliber.

greatnpowerfuloz » 16 Jul 2014 4:42 pm » wrote: I'm **** speechless.

That's an improvement on your usual idiocy.

Cite one single thing they've written that's not credible.

As if you have the slightest clue.

I spare no effort for dreamers of clem's caliber.

Translated into honest English: you prefer to stay in the kiddy's pool with the rest of the moonbats.

RichClem » 16 Jul 2014 4:52 pm » wrote: That's an improvement on your usual idiocy.

Cite one single thing they've written that's not credible.

Economic globalization has provided Americans with access to a wide range of imported products. This has enabled consumers to demand not only high-quality products at low cost but also products that are produced according to consumers’ philosophical or ethical preferences. Simultaneously, domestic producers seeking protection from this influx of imports must find alternative shelters now that the use of tariffs and quotas is constrained by international law and economic good sense. The consequence is a perfect storm in which social welfare activists and special commercial interests join forces to promote regulatory regimes that unfairly and unnecessarily restrict imports.

http://www.cato.org/publications/policy ... free-trade

GeorgeWashington » 16 Jul 2014 5:01 pm » wrote: Economic globalization has provided Americans with access to a wide range of imported products. This has enabled consumers to demand not only high-quality products at low cost but also products that are produced according to consumers’ philosophical or ethical preferences. Simultaneously, domestic producers seeking protection from this influx of imports must find alternative shelters now that the use of tariffs and quotas is constrained by international law and economic good sense. The consequence is a perfect storm in which social welfare activists and special commercial interests join forces to promote regulatory regimes that unfairly and unnecessarily restrict imports.

http://www.cato.org/publications/policy ... free-trade

Are you claiming that Free Trade does not promote prosperity?


Almost all economists agree on that, and GATT and NAFTA were big contributors to the boom when Clinton was in office.

RichClem » 16 Jul 2014 5:04 pm » wrote: Are you claiming that Free Trade does not promote prosperity?

Almost all economists agree on that, and GATT and NAFTA were big contributors to the boom when Clinton was in office.

With countries like china manipulating their currencies, our ever expanding trade deficit, and the value of our dollar and its reserve status which taxes exports and subsidizes imports, free trade hurts the American worker, regardless of how Wall Street ledgers read.

If you don't believe me, ask Mitt.

RichClem » 16 Jul 2014 10:31 am » wrote:
But CP's not mentally ill, oh no!

Ladies and gentlemen, here is a fellow who posts under the screen name, RichClem. He has been accused of many things: Being a paid shill, being a deranged stalker, being a hypocrite (They had him there), being a mediocre intellect - one nefarious fellow even planted rumorsthat the man spent his off time manning a glory hole, giving him the appellation, Glory Hole Clem.

Whatever Clem may be, here is what he is not: Clem is not the man who can defend free trade with China. Free trade with China, which he parrots as a good thing, has resulted in this:



And this:



And this:



I don't think this treachery can be defended by this:

RichClem » 16 Jul 2014 5:04 pm » wrote:
Are you claiming that Free Trade does not promote prosperity?

Almost all economists agree on that, and GATT and NAFTA were big contributors to the boom when Clinton was in office.

Booms are a man eating his own leg, dummy. Busts are when he looks down and sees the folly.

Free Trade has created a communist juggernaut in Asia and unemplyment at home.

Explain to the board how allowing slave made goods manufactured with zero environmental or worker safety protections does not say to an American worker, "If you want to get this job back, work in dangerous conditions for a pittance, and pollute your children's air and water."

We'll wait, Clem. Explain that. How does allowing slave made goods into our market NOT put American workers on notice that they can have their jobs back if they agree to slave wages? And how does rewarding environmental degradation and police state tactics against labor NOT co-sign such behaviors? How does building China's war machine benefit us, when they are our only military threat in Asia?

RichClem » 16 Jul 2014 5:04 pm » wrote: Are you claiming that Free Trade does not promote prosperity?

Almost all economists agree on that, and GATT and NAFTA were big contributors to the boom when Clinton was in office.

Are you claiming that NAFTA was designed to promote free trade? Explain for us then, the elements of free trade that require giving 3rd world countries preferential consideration in the marketplace, which was the basis and intent of NAFTA.

Go on, we'll wait.

greatnpowerfuloz » 17 Jul 2014 7:20 am » wrote:
Are you claiming that NAFTA was designed to promote free trade? Explain for us then, the elements of free trade that require giving 3rd world countries preferential consideration in the marketplace, which was the basis and intent of NAFTA.

Go on, we'll wait.

Can you provide something to back up this claim, that the intent of NAFTA was to provide 3rd world countries "preferential consideration" (whatever that is) in the marketplace?

...rich clem, for a f@cking republican idiot who doesn't even know what a dollar is, you sure do work your c@cksucker about the illion 'dollar' economy!...stfu..

GeorgeWashington » 16 Jul 2014 8:19 pm » wrote: With countries like china manipulating their currencies, our ever expanding trade deficit, and the value of our dollar and its reserve status which taxes exports and subsidizes imports, free trade hurts the American worker, regardless of how Wall Street ledgers read.

If you don't believe me, ask Mitt.

Actually, no. On balance, free trade is still a positive.

The Chinese are no longer manipulating their currency, but even when they arguably did, they were simply subsidizing goods for Americans. How is that bad?

And the US boomed after GATT and NAFTA took effect, during this manipulation.

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2014 11:30 pm » wrote: Booms are a man eating his own leg, dummy. Busts are when he looks down and sees the folly.

Free Trade has created a communist juggernaut in Asia and unemplyment at home.

The psychotic bleats in ignorance again.

China is no longer Communist, and we had a huge boom for many years after GATT and NAFTA passed.

What, were you sleeping?

Explain to the board how allowing slave made goods manufactured with zero environmental or worker safety protections does not say to an American worker, "If you want to get this job back, work in dangerous conditions for a pittance, and pollute your children's air and water."

We'll wait, Clem. Explain that. How does allowing slave made goods into our market NOT put American workers on notice that they can have their jobs back if they agree to slave wages? And how does rewarding environmental degradation and police state tactics against labor NOT co-sign such behaviors? How does building China's war machine benefit us, when they are our only military threat in Asia? [/quote]

Typical morass of confusion and illogic. Can slave labor build an Ipad? Write software? Design computer chips?

Beyond that, you're just bleating.

China is less likely to be militarily aggressive under Free Trade, because it has far more to lose than if it was poor and isolated.

Go study a little history, moonbat.

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2014 11:22 pm » wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, here is a fellow who posts under the screen name, RichClem. He has been accused of many things: Being a paid shill, being a deranged stalker, being a hypocrite (They had him there), being a mediocre intellect - one nefarious fellow even planted rumorsthat the man spent his off time manning a glory hole, giving him the appellation, Glory Hole Clem.

Whatever Clem may be, here is what he is not: Clem is not the man who can defend free trade with China. Free trade with China, which he parrots as a good thing, has resulted in this:

Oh gosh, scary pictures. Well that proves everything!

RichClem » 17 Jul 2014 8:16 am » wrote:
Oh gosh, scary pictures. Well that proves everything!

Brilliant refutation, tard. Tell us how America is served by opening its borders to a communist nation, ya fifth columnist. Explain how helping China build the next military we will face is "patriotic," you hypnotized goon.

By the way, retard: Singapore is making socialism work just fine. The government owns 30% of the means of production, allowing them to keep taxes low.

Imagine - a socilist country like Singapore is rated more economically free than the USA, where capitalists use the government gun to outlaw competition and dominate markets, rather than serving those markets to dominate the competition.

RichClem » 16 Jul 2014 4:52 pm » wrote:
Cite one single thing they've written that's not credible.

Cite one thing MSNBC has written that's not credible.

Retard.

RichClem » 17 Jul 2014 8:15 am » wrote: China is no longer Communist,

Oh. My bad. I must have missed the news the day that happened.

Did you tell this guy, retard?

RichClem » 16 Jul 2014 2:53 pm » wrote: Cite Cato next time. They're credible.

Some think Glory Hole is just stupid. But actually, he is dishonest.

Every time he starts getting his *** handed to him, he leaves in a huff, never to return. Then he waits out his repudiation and comes trolling back in, telling the same lies that got shoved down his throat, precipitating his departure.

Someone must have kicked his *** over there, and he is hiding here for a while, letting the air clear and letting people forget how badly he got his *** handed to him.

Well, we did not forget, Glory Hole - nor will we allow you to do so.,

THE FOLLOWING IS A SMALL PIECE OF AN EXCHANGE BETWEEN HANNIBAL AND GLORY HOLE, RIGHT BEFORE GLORY HOLE FLED THE FORUM WITH A SWISH OF HIS OUTRAGED SKIRT:AND A HEARTY, hHARRUMPH SILVER - AWAAAAAY!!!!!" HANNIBAL KICKED GLORY HOLE'S *** SO BAD THAT GLORY HOLE WIPED THE INCIDENT FROM HIS MEMORY. I WILL POST ONLY THOSE PERTAINING TO CATO, BUT HANNIBAL REFUDIATED ALL OF THEM. THE THREAD CAN BE FOUND IN THE PROFUNDUM DISPUTATIO ROOM.

RichClem » 07 Jan 2014 12:14 pm » wrote: Which of the following sources aren't solid? WSJ oped page, IBD, National Review, Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, American Spectator?

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Deroy Murdock

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John Allison

John Allison currently the CEO and President of the Cato Institute in Washington, D.C.. Allison is a major contributor to the Ayn Rand Institute (ARI) and assigned Rand's Atlas Shrugged to all of his senior executives. In September 2012, Allison released his own book, "The Financial Crisis and the Free Market Cure: Why Pure Capitalism is the World Economy’s Only Hope". He received the Lifetime Achievement Award from the American Banker.

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Ted Galen Carpenter

Ted Galen Carpenter is senior fellow for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute. Dr. Carpenter served as Cato’s director of foreign policy studies from 1986 to 1995 and as vice president for defense and foreign policy studies from 1995 to 2011. His articles have appeared in the Wall Street Journal.
Ted Galen Carpenter is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations

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Doug Bandow

Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. Bandow resigned from Cato in December, 2005, after admitting he accepted payments from lobbyist Jack Abramoff over approximately ten years in return for publishing articles favorable to Abramoff's clients. The articles identified his affiliation with Cato but he did not tell Cato about the payments. He has referred to these activities as "a lapse of judgment," saying that he accepted payments for "between 12 and 24 articles." Copley News Service, which had carried Doug Bandow's syndicated column for a number of years, suspended him immediately. He writes regularly for The Wall Street Journal

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Ian Vásquez

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Ian Vásquez has been a term member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Cannonpointer » 18 Jul 2014 5:21 am » wrote: Some think Glory Hole is just stupid. But actually, he is dishonest.

Every time he starts getting his *** handed to him.......

"Every time?"

That has never happened, psycho.

Someone must have kicked his *** over there, and he is hiding here for a while, letting the air clear and letting people forget how badly he got his *** handed to him.

The place had become terminally boring, because the only liberals were hopelessly stupid and psychotic, even by the standards of stupidity and psychosis here.

Everything's in writing over there. If anyone sees evidence that my a** was kicked, post it here for everyone to see.

Rotsa ruck with that, psycho.

THE FOLLOWING IS A SMALL PIECE OF AN EXCHANGE BETWEEN HANNIBAL AND GLORY HOLE, RIGHT BEFORE GLORY HOLE FLED THE FORUM WITH A SWISH OF HIS OUTRAGED SKIRT:AND A HEARTY, hHARRUMPH SILVER - AWAAAAAY!!!!!" HANNIBAL KICKED GLORY HOLE'S *** SO BAD THAT GLORY HOLE WIPED THE INCIDENT FROM HIS MEMORY. I WILL POST ONLY THOSE PERTAINING TO CATO, BUT HANNIBAL REFUDIATED ALL OF THEM. THE THREAD CAN BE FOUND IN THE PROFUNDUM DISPUTATIO ROOM.

If anyone else can make sense of the psychotic bunch of hooey quoted, maybe they can explain it to me.

Gosh, a writer for National Review also wrote for Cato or the WSJ? Ooooooh, it's a giant conspiracy!

That's why you people are so freaking clueless. The only sources you pay attention to are ignorant moonbats with no knowledge of what they're opining about.