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ROG62 » 29 Oct 2023, 5:27 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Oct 2023, 5:27 pm

What I'm saying is how much do you trust the gubment's numbers?

On Covid? 0%.

On how many people were employed by the federal government in a given year? 100%.

On what the budget was and how much the deficit was in a given year? 100%.

Thanks for asking.

ROG62 » 29 Oct 2023, 5:27 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Oct 2023, 5:27 pm

case in point, inflation...the pool of items they pull their numbers from is liquid...meaning one time they'll use autos or home heating..when they don't like what they see, those are dropped and groceries are added...or appliances...it's a shell game at best...

which is precisely why Z09's request that I **** with the numbers - and your cosign of that retardation - was not suffered gladly. It was stupid. There would be ZERO relevance to the issue at hand, which was a comparison of reagan's hiring and spending and taxing and borrowing to Carter's. Nothing ABOUT 2023 has ****-all to do with it, and it was stupid. And then you threw yourself into that same pot of stupid - for reasons which I strongly suspect were butt hurt at seeing reagan's fake-*** legacy tarnished and Carter's water-carrying for johnson and nixon exposed. Carter was a strong fiscal conservative compared to the presidents that preceded him since Kenney's murder and the presidents that followed him, save Clinton, who had Gingrich up his *** and the immeasurable benefit of the internet boom carrying HIS water, whereas Carter was dragging two bloated corpses behind him (three if you count Ford).

People get mighty fond of their narratives and mighty jumpy when those narratives are put under the glass.
 
 
 

Beekeeper » 29 Oct 2023, 5:56 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Oct 2023, 5:56 pm

Psssst. ****'s Brother.

Carter grew INFLATION, and NOT the economy. His rate of inflation was UNSEEN until he took office. And is STILL the highest EVER!!

Yes, dumb ***, I have acknowledged over and over again that Johnson taking us off metal and Nixon taking us off Breton Woods caused inflation in Carter's presidency, and he had to deal with it.

Beekeeper » 29 Oct 2023, 5:56 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Oct 2023, 5:56 pm

Reagtan literally had to crash the economy in his first 3 years in order to get inflation under control. So his ACTUAL growth, taking away those first 3 years, is MORE than any President had ever done up to that point. You need some FACTS on your side before you bloviate out your MORONIC ***!!

Hold on just a minute, skippy. Two things.

1. You are excusing reagan's first three years because of what HE inherited, while *** insisting that Carter be held accountable for what HE inherited. Also,
2. You are completely ignoring that ANY **** PRESIDENT can have a decent economy if he just borrows his way into it. Eating your grandkid's lunch is not economic genius - it's just **** evil.

We STILL HAVE what FDR borrowed to pay for, you fruit. Do you have any clue how many times the TVA or the Bay Bridge or the Hoover Dam have paid for themselves over the last 80-some years, maroon?

PS Hey, @ROG62 - Beekeeper's post has a table in it if you click the snapback. The table talks about inflation - a number you and I don't trust. 

Go to his *** for it, huh?
 

Cannonpointer » 30 Oct 2023, 2:40 am » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 2:40 am

On Covid? 0%.

On how many people were employed by the federal government in a given year? 100%.

On what the budget was and how much the deficit was in a given year? 100%.

Thanks for asking.


which is precisely why Z09's request that I **** with the numbers - and your cosign of that retardation - was not suffered gladly. It was stupid. There would be ZERO relevance to the issue at hand, which was a comparison of reagan's hiring and spending and taxing and borrowing to Carter's. Nothing ABOUT 2023 has ****-all to do with it, and it was stupid. And then you threw yourself into that same pot of stupid - for reasons which I strongly suspect were butt hurt at seeing reagan's fake-*** legacy tarnished and Carter's water-carrying for johnson and nixon exposed. Carter was a strong fiscal conservative compared to the presidents that preceded him since Kenney's murder and the presidents that followed him, save Clinton, who had Gingrich up his *** and the immeasurable benefit of the internet boom carrying HIS water, whereas Carter was dragging two bloated corpses behind him (three if you count Ford).

People get mighty fond of their narratives and mighty jumpy when those narratives are put under the glass.
 
 
 

You don't tolerate instinctive awareness any more than any reality present. Everyone has to pick a one sided narrative or else humanity cancels them out of the staged results going forward now each generation trained to mind history or else.

Power of suggestion rules every court within this species. Genetics controls the numbers living.

Cannonpointer » 30 Oct 2023, 2:40 am » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 2:40 am

On Covid? 0%.

On how many people were employed by the federal government in a given year? 100%.

On what the budget was and how much the deficit was in a given year? 100%.

Thanks for asking.

which is precisely why Z09's request that I **** with the numbers - and your cosign of that retardation - was not suffered gladly. It was stupid. There would be ZERO relevance to the issue at hand, which was a comparison of reagan's hiring and spending and taxing and borrowing to Carter's. Nothing ABOUT 2023 has ****-all to do with it, and it was stupid. And then you threw yourself into that same pot of stupid - for reasons which I strongly suspect were butt hurt at seeing reagan's fake-*** legacy tarnished and Carter's water-carrying for johnson and nixon exposed. Carter was a strong fiscal conservative compared to the presidents that preceded him since Kenney's murder and the presidents that followed him, save Clinton, who had Gingrich up his *** and the immeasurable benefit of the internet boom carrying HIS water, whereas Carter was dragging two bloated corpses behind him (three if you count Ford).

People get mighty fond of their narratives and mighty jumpy when those narratives are put under the glass.

you do realize I was giving you ****, right? why? cuz I knew you'd never do it...

so Otis, time for your breathing exercises...in, out....in, out...relaaaaaaaax...I'd hate to see you stroke out...just sayin'....
 

ROG62 » 30 Oct 2023, 9:34 am » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 9:34 am

you do realize I was giving you ****, right? why? cuz I knew you'd never do it...

so Otis, time for your breathing exercises...in, out....in, out...relaaaaaaaax...I'd hate to see you stroke out...just sayin'....

I don't stroke out. I just go into hyper-vomitation. 

It's a harmless state - well, to ME it's harmless.

Hors and the children of hors, like Z09 and Old Mack respectively, get their feels hurted by it. 
 

So I guess the moral of the story is that Carter's rat faced, beady eyed Jew Advisors were better than Reagan's rat faced, beady eyed Jew Advisors...?

GHETTOBLASTER » 30 Oct 2023, 6:29 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 6:29 pm

So I guess the moral of the story is that Carter's rat faced, beady eyed Jew Advisors were better than Reagan's rat faced, beady eyed Jew Advisors...?
 

No, kissinger was as bad as anything reagan blew.

The moral is that conjobs need to get all the way off reagan's dick. Like TOTALLY off it.
 

Cannonpointer » 30 Oct 2023, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 6:31 pm

No, kissinger was as bad as anything reagan blew.

The moral is that conjobs need to get all the way off reagan's dick. Like TOTALLY off it.

So  how did Carter's  training in MACRO-ECONOMIC MANAGEMENT  make the difference...?
...or did it.?
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 30 Oct 2023, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Oct 2023, 6:40 pm

So  how did Carter's  training in MACRO-ECONOMIC MANAGEMENT  make the difference...?
...or did it.?

I think he was just a hard worker, mission oriented, learning as he went, utterly non-ideological. A pragmatist and an honest fellow, holding it together with every rotten chicken of his predecessors coming home to roost.

But I only believe that with half my brain - it defies my world view on multiple levels. 

If that narrative is true - that he was an honest fellow, - my narrative has it that he was put in there to get the stink of dick nixon off the WH. And don't take that as a slam on nixon - I suspect THEY felt the need to fumigate. Though if you WANT me to slam nixon, I could point out he was as big gov't happy as reagan. The numbers will back me up. The guy created the EPA - for which I will not fault him (but most of you will), given the amount of spew corporations were getting away with and the growing issues with smog and burning rivers and toxic waste dumps and such.

As to how he saved the economy - which did not show up in his term, - I think that volker feller he handed off to reagan is the answer. That, and his pragmatic conservatism in budgeting. He shrank government to keep down spending. He started no foreign adventures. 

Z09 » 31 Oct 2023, 7:31 am » wrote: ↑

31 Oct 2023, 7:31 am

You seem to think $299 billion in 1977 is some type of figure to brag about..

Put the same numebr is 2023 numbers

I REALLY have to make your arguments for you, you incompetent twat? You don't have ANY google fu?

I was comparing it to Reagan's borrowing - not Biden's, dumb ***. So I have to convert REAGAN'S borrowing, too, ruhtahd - IN ORDER TO STAY ON TOPIC, you STEWPID bitch. 

Here is Carter's - his 299 bil over four years would convert to 1.5 trillion today. The national debt SHRUNK under Carter in relation to his economy. In other words, Carter's economy grew MORE, proportionately, than the debt increased. 

https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflat ... 9000000000

Reagan borrowed almost that much EVERY YEAR, tripling the debt. The national debt GREW under Reagan in relation to his economy  for the first time since FDR. In other words, Reagans economy grew LESS, proportionately, than the debt grew under Reagan.

Here is what Reagan borrowed IN 2023 dollars: $4,615,782,461,371.73

https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflat ... 5960187.32

Mind you, Reagan ran on SHRINKING government and FISCAL CONSERVATISM. Carter did not - yet he was FAR more fiscally conservative than Reagan.



 

AmazonTania » 18 Feb 2014, 7:20 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2014, 7:20 pm

, but -- for all intensive purposes -- 

The phrase is for all intents and purposes.

@Fuelman  / @Mrkelly  / @OdeToJoy    , Please learn your "wife" the proper terminology!
 

Cannonpointer » 16 Feb 2014, 3:56 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2014, 3:56 am

Carter grew the economy in the four years of HIS budget 78,79, 80 and 81 (he took office in 77, but that was ford's year - and a good one) faster than reagan did in his eight years 81-89. If anyone wants to swap years (pretend 77 was Carter's, even though the fiscal year runs from October to October) that's fine, too. Either way, Carter ROMPS on Reagan - I just want to be accurate.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/GDP-by-Ye ... istory.htm

In 4 years, carter grew the economy to 154% of where he took over. It was 2.086 trillion in 77 when he took office, and 3.211 trillion for 81 - his last fiscal budget. The numbers are even better if you run it by election year rather than fiscal year (the more accurate and honest measure).

In his 8 years, Reagan took the economy from 3.211 trillion - Carter's last fiscal year - to 5,6577 trillion in 1989 - his last fiscal year, That's an increase to 177% of what it was when he took over - in EIGHT years. Carter almost made that figure in FOUR years.

Aided and abbetted by a willing conservative MSM, repukes have floated a false narrative about Carter and reagan, playing the former as befuddled and incompetent and the latter as an economic goliath. Nothing could be farther from the truth. This is why, in the face of ALL EVIDENCE, contards pretend the press is "librul." It's called projection.

I want to give credit where it's due: Glory Hole Clem is the fool who got me to googling and discovering these facts. My own nature is what gets me crowing about it.

Contards, you are on notice: CARTER WAS BETTER FOR THE ECONOMY THAN REAGAN. SO WAS CLINTON - BETTER THAN REAGAN, BUSH AND BUSH. You people suck at business and the economy - and everything else. You even suck off men in public bathrooms.

Let's see what Forbes has to say: http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/ ... -creation/

Why is there this mindset that an increased population doesn't grow economically at the pace more people are alive using a fixed rate of currency socially evolving at the same time each generation changes people still alive in plain sight?

I must be the only one that comprehends the full range of taxation becomes planned obsolescence to the value of social currencies used by every society.

Nostradamus'omh » 14 Nov 2023, 6:55 am » wrote: ↑

14 Nov 2023, 6:55 am

Why is there this mindset that an increased population doesn't grow economically at the pace more people are alive using a fixed rate of currency socially evolving at the same time each generation changes people still alive in plain sight?

I must be the only one that comprehends the full range of taxation becomes planned obsolescence to the value of social currencies used by every society.

This is why I included population growth in my indicia. Because it matters.

Cannonpointer » 14 Nov 2023, 8:45 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Nov 2023, 8:45 pm

This is why I included population growth in my indicia. Because it matters.

And you left out evolving doesn't exceed adapting to the moment here. That ity details of eternally separated in one's own time adapting in their own skin equally timed apart here.

Oh that isn't a big deal breaker in your mind? Better to deny life than die proving it is self evident. that you fool is the Biblical lesson of Jesus.

go ahead, God/ Allah/Buddha/Mother Nature/Satan created time for all things occupying space here one at a time because mankind isn't smart enough to correct its own corruption..

Nostradamus'omh » 15 Nov 2023, 6:54 am » wrote: ↑

15 Nov 2023, 6:54 am

And you left out evolving doesn't exceed adapting to the moment here.

Deliberately. 
 

Cannonpointer » 15 Nov 2023, 11:58 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Nov 2023, 11:58 pm

Deliberately. 
 

I know. Power to regulate which choices governs tomorrow, goes to those corrupting everyone alive. Free will to understand self evident or to pay others for an eternal debt of gratitude to live by reasonable doubt, now isn't eternity. How the 1% govern the other 99% each generation gap history works same way population never stays same people twice.

To sustain that doubt every generation gap in every reality takes keeping secrets, inventing reasons to believe nobody knew, and organization to deflect from the natural time everyone shares adapting in space now.

evil live or live evil. Devil lived or lived devil. God is physical evolving with genetics eternally separating ancestral results here now. Satan is societal evolution by any franchise corrupting each great great grandchild to believe intellect state of evolution, not a natural part of evolving one at a time.

6 degrees of separation and 8 corners triangulating every generation against each generation gap alive. 7 degrees of separation. 8, 4, 2, each replacement, 50% each great great grandchild, 25% each great great great grandchild, 12.5% each great great great great grandchild from point of original 8. https://i.postimg.cc/HsrhKSxh/Picture-123.jpg

What is the scientific belief to percentage of the brain used for self awareness and intellectual choice? 12.5%. Brain is the evolved nucleus of each fertilized cell developed between ears and behind eyes supplying the body with specific chromosomes each cell regeneration since conceived until dead.

Cellular regeneration doesn't happen without molecular content of universal positions eroding and combining into bacteria, enzymes, proteins, organic results in specific universal locations life "Is what it is here now.".

Kinetic evolving vs theory of evolution and theology of intellectual creation governed by reasonable doubt life is self evidently here as working in a perpetual balancing universal moment time each cycle shares inception to conception, death to decomposition one at a time combined.

Common core since dawn of civilization regardless which reality is a topic of how people evolved socially so far.