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peepee » 03 Feb 2019 8:05 am » wrote:

indago » 02 Feb 2019 6:21 pm » wrote:
Would the government, then, send this "the money" to the individuals "ebt card", "account", "issue a check " once a week/month?

...that's an issue about which smaller minds than mine can/will quibble....maybe we could let everyone choose their own $chedule...but i will let you and the rest of the republicrats quibble about that...btw, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION AS TO YOUR RELATIVELY INSIGNIFICANT QUESTION?...

[..hillbilly boy never even attempts to answer a question...even the goddamned fool questions he asks of others]

Why are you now backing away from your primary issue: "the money"? You keep bringing it up, along with your claptrap innuendos. I'm beginning to believe that you are just full of ****...

indago » 03 Feb 2019 8:46 am » wrote:
Why are you now backing away from your primary issue: "the money"? You keep bringing it up, along with your claptrap innuendos. I'm beginning to believe that you are just full of ****...

...not 'backing away from the primary issue,' you republicrat-level numbskull... it's just that you don't honestly understand 'the primary issue' [private vs. public money creation]...your questions are always trivial and stooooooooooooooooopid...always missing 'the primary issue'...

...i am offering proposals to improve the current $ystem....you obviously don't understand the current $ystem and therefore your thoughts/questions are truly ****-up...child-like...hillbillyish...

peepee » 03 Feb 2019 8:55 am » wrote:

indago » 03 Feb 2019 8:46 am » wrote:
Why are you now backing away from your primary issue: "the money"? You keep bringing it up, along with your claptrap innuendos. I'm beginning to believe that you are just full of ****...

...not 'backing away from the primary issue,' you republicrat-level numbskull... it's just that you don't honestly understand 'the primary issue' [private vs. public money creation]...your questions are always trivial and stooooooooooooooooopid...always missing 'the primary issue'...

...i am offering proposals to improve the current $ystem....you obviously don't understand the current $ystem and therefore your thoughts/questions are truly ****-up...child-like...hillbillyish...

If, as you say, you are NOT "backing away", then tell us just how much "the money" will be sent to the individual by the government, and how often. You brought it up, now eat it.

indago » 03 Feb 2019 9:18 am » wrote:
If, as you say, you are NOT "backing away", then tell us just how much "the money" will be sent to the individual by the government, and how often. You brought it up, now eat it.

...first a little question for you, hillbilly boy...[you've never answered even one question of mine]. ..HOW MUCH [what is the rate] 'NEW MONEY' [approx.] IS BEING CREATED BY THE PRIVATE, ?FOREIGN, COMMERCIAL BANKERS NOW?!...[do you even know where to start here, hillbilly boy?]

...[hint for hillbilly boy: I suggest that, instead of allowing the private ?foreign commercial banksters to use 'the newly-created money' in 'the first round of spending', we divide this amount equally among 'us' ...some 300+ million americans...capiche, hillbilly boy? ...if you don't think my idea$ about money creation/issuance are superior to the current stinking **** monetary order, please tell me why?...

...AND i've already gone over some proposal$ as to 'how often', you dense, brain-laundered, republicrat parrot!...only a republicrat dummy such as yourself would dwell on the details of a proposal to replace a current system about which they are butt-ignorant...republicrat-level ignorant...hillbilly boy ignorant!...

peepee » 04 Feb 2019 11:33 am » wrote:

indago » 03 Feb 2019 9:18 am » wrote:
If, as you say, you are NOT "backing away", then tell us just how much "the money" will be sent to the individual by the government, and how often. You brought it up, now eat it.

...first a little question for you, hillbilly boy...[you've never answered even one question of mine]. ..HOW MUCH [what is the rate] 'NEW MONEY' [approx.] IS BEING CREATED BY THE PRIVATE, ?FOREIGN, COMMERCIAL BANKERS NOW?!...[do you even know where to start here, hillbilly boy?]

...[hint for hillbilly boy: I suggest that, instead of allowing the private ?foreign commercial banksters to use 'the newly-created money' in 'the first round of spending', we divide this amount equally among 'us' ...some 300+ million americans...capiche, hillbilly boy? ...if you don't think my idea$ about money creation/issuance are superior to the current stinking **** monetary order, please tell me why?...

...AND i've already gone over some proposal$ as to 'how often', you dense, brain-laundered, republicrat parrot!...only a republicrat dummy such as yourself would dwell on the details of a proposal to replace a current system about which they are butt-ignorant...republicrat-level ignorant...hillbilly boy ignorant!...

Oh, stop Whining'nSniveling (that's all you've got going for you, besides calling names).

HOW MUCH, AND HOW OFTEN?

indago » 04 Feb 2019 12:13 pm » wrote:Oh, stop Whining'nSniveling (that's all you've got going for you, besides calling names).

HOW MUCH, AND HOW OFTEN?

...to minimize any 'shocks to the economy,' i propose we merely divide up the amount of money CURRENTLY BEING CREATED BY/FOR THE PRIVATE, ?FOREIGN, SECRET-SQUIRREL BANKSTERS AND MERELY ISSUE THIS AMOUNT, PRO-RATA, TO SOME 330,000,000 'Americans'...

...now, a stoopid republicrat-level hillbilly such as yourself probably isn't aware but, as barry goldwater put it, 'Most Americans [including YOU hillbilly boy] have no real understanding of the operations of the international moneylenders... the accounts of the Federal Reserve have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and... manipulates the credit of the United
States'


...so you see, you numb republicrat ****, the actual volume/level of money creation currently being undertaken is unknown to you or me...btw, we are in this miserable situation precisely because of republicrat-level fools such as yourself who don't ask any smart question$ to your stoooooooooopid **** 'leaders' [bankster puppets]...btw, you can't ask any smart questions about 'the money' because when it comes to 'the money' you are one dumb hillbilly...

...but being 'le grande peepee' i will give you my best guess as to HOW MUCH? ...it seems using the phantom M4 monetary aggregate number$ from 'the fed' itself and using 'the gross domestic product' number$ [income/expenditure approach] the banksters are currently creating money at the rate of APPROX. $1, 000,000,000,000/year...at least, i bet it's more than that but, again, methinks brain-laundered hillbilliy ignoramuses such as yourself have made it easy for the $ecret-$quirrel banksters to line their pockets with unknown illion$...

...so i'll even do the math for you, you lazy, math-challenged, republicrat hillbilly.... $1,000,000,000,000/year divided by 330,000,000 americans = approx. $3,000/year...

...so, for example, you and your boyfriend poop-deck pappy, would each receive $3000/year...now hillbilly boy, if you wanted to know how much you would get per month it would be approx. $3000 divided by 12 months per year....if you wanted to know how much per week, divide $3000 by 52 weeks/year...if you wanted to know how much per day, divide $3000 by 365 days/year...and so on, hillbilly boy..

...of course maybe the first and most important thing to do about 'the money' would be to conduct an honest transparent discussion about 'the money' so you stoooopid **** republicrats had a least half a clue... as thomas jefferson supposedly wrote, 'If a nation expects to be [hillbilly boy-level] ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.'

peepee » 06 Feb 2019 12:26 pm » wrote:

indago » 04 Feb 2019 12:13 pm » wrote:Oh, stop Whining'nSniveling (that's all you've got going for you, besides calling names).

HOW MUCH, AND HOW OFTEN?

...to minimize any 'shocks to the economy,' i propose we merely divide up the amount of money CURRENTLY BEING CREATED BY/FOR THE PRIVATE, ?FOREIGN, SECRET-SQUIRREL BANKSTERS AND MERELY ISSUE THIS AMOUNT, PRO-RATA, TO SOME 330,000,000 'Americans'...

...now, a stoopid republicrat-level hillbilly such as yourself probably isn't aware but, as barry goldwater put it, 'Most Americans [including YOU hillbilly boy] have no real understanding of the operations of the international moneylenders... the accounts of the Federal Reserve have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and... manipulates the credit of the United
States'


...so you see, you numb republicrat ****, the actual volume/level of money creation currently being undertaken is unknown to you or me...btw, we are in this miserable situation precisely because of republicrat-level fools such as yourself who don't ask any smart question$ to your stoooooooooopid **** 'leaders' [bankster puppets]...btw, you can't ask any smart questions about 'the money' because when it comes to 'the money' you are one dumb hillbilly...

...but being 'le grande peepee' i will give you my best guess as to HOW MUCH? ...it seems using the phantom M4 monetary aggregate number$ from 'the fed' itself and using 'the gross domestic product' number$ [income/expenditure approach] the banksters are currently creating money at the rate of APPROX. $1, 000,000,000,000/year...at least, i bet it's more than that but, again, methinks brain-laundered hillbilliy ignoramuses such as yourself have made it easy for the $ecret-$quirrel banksters to line their pockets with unknown illion$...

...so i'll even do the math for you, you lazy, math-challenged, republicrat hillbilly.... $1,000,000,000,000/year divided by 330,000,000 americans = approx. $3,000/year...

...so, for example, you and your boyfriend poop-deck pappy, would each receive $3000/year...now hillbilly boy, if you wanted to know how much you would get per month it would be approx. $3000 divided by 12 months per year....if you wanted to know how much per week, divide $3000 by 52 weeks/year...if you wanted to know how much per day, divide $3000 by 365 days/year...and so on, hillbilly boy..

...of course maybe the first and most important thing to do about 'the money' would be to conduct an honest transparent discussion about 'the money' so you stoooopid **** republicrats had a least half a clue... as thomas jefferson supposedly wrote, 'If a nation expects to be [hillbilly boy-level] ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.'

Then, bypassing all the extraneous ****, you are saying that government should send to each individual around $3000 per year, or, around $250 per month?

...hillbilly boy, here's a RARE, ALMOST EXTINCT republicrat who, unlike you, has enough knowledge to ask truly enlightened question$: ...sweet jesus, please...MUCH more grayson...MUCH less hillbilly boyishness...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ

Is Grayson really Will?

peepee » 08 Feb 2019 3:55 pm » wrote:...hillbilly boy, here's a RARE, ALMOST EXTINCT republicrat who, unlike you, has enough knowledge to ask truly enlightened question$: ...sweet jesus, please...MUCH more grayson...MUCH less hillbilly boyishness...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ

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indago » 06 Feb 2019 1:09 pm » wrote:

peepee » 06 Feb 2019 12:26 pm » wrote:

indago » 04 Feb 2019 12:13 pm » wrote:Oh, stop Whining'nSniveling (that's all you've got going for you, besides calling names).

HOW MUCH, AND HOW OFTEN?

...to minimize any 'shocks to the economy,' i propose we merely divide up the amount of money CURRENTLY BEING CREATED BY/FOR THE PRIVATE, ?FOREIGN, SECRET-SQUIRREL BANKSTERS AND MERELY ISSUE THIS AMOUNT, PRO-RATA, TO SOME 330,000,000 'Americans'...

...now, a stoopid republicrat-level hillbilly such as yourself probably isn't aware but, as barry goldwater put it, 'Most Americans [including YOU hillbilly boy] have no real understanding of the operations of the international moneylenders... the accounts of the Federal Reserve have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and... manipulates the credit of the United
States'


...so you see, you numb republicrat ****, the actual volume/level of money creation currently being undertaken is unknown to you or me...btw, we are in this miserable situation precisely because of republicrat-level fools such as yourself who don't ask any smart question$ to your stoooooooooopid **** 'leaders' [bankster puppets]...btw, you can't ask any smart questions about 'the money' because when it comes to 'the money' you are one dumb hillbilly...

...but being 'le grande peepee' i will give you my best guess as to HOW MUCH? ...it seems using the phantom M4 monetary aggregate number$ from 'the fed' itself and using 'the gross domestic product' number$ [income/expenditure approach] the banksters are currently creating money at the rate of APPROX. $1, 000,000,000,000/year...at least, i bet it's more than that but, again, methinks brain-laundered hillbilliy ignoramuses such as yourself have made it easy for the $ecret-$quirrel banksters to line their pockets with unknown illion$...

...so i'll even do the math for you, you lazy, math-challenged, republicrat hillbilly.... $1,000,000,000,000/year divided by 330,000,000 americans = approx. $3,000/year...

...so, for example, you and your boyfriend poop-deck pappy, would each receive $3000/year...now hillbilly boy, if you wanted to know how much you would get per month it would be approx. $3000 divided by 12 months per year....if you wanted to know how much per week, divide $3000 by 52 weeks/year...if you wanted to know how much per day, divide $3000 by 365 days/year...and so on, hillbilly boy..

...of course maybe the first and most important thing to do about 'the money' would be to conduct an honest transparent discussion about 'the money' so you stoooopid **** republicrats had a least half a clue... as thomas jefferson supposedly wrote, 'If a nation expects to be [hillbilly boy-level] ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.'

Then, bypassing all the extraneous ****, you are saying that government should send to each individual around $3000 per year, or, around $250 per month?

Actually, not a new phenomenon...

Laura Paddison wrote for HuffPo 8 February 2019:
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Tuomas Muraja’s life took an unexpected turn at the end of 2016. He received a letter telling him that he would be getting a monthly sum of €560 ($640) from the Finnish government, no strings attached, for two years.

“It was actually like winning the lottery,” said Muraja, who was one of 2,000 people randomly selected from a pool of 175,000 unemployed Finns, aged 25 to 58, to take part in one of the most prominent universal basic income trials in the world.

...“Constant stress and financial stress for the long term – it’s unbearable. And when we give money to people once a month they know what they are going to get,” said Ylikännö. “It was just €560 a month, but it gives you certainty, and certainty about the future is always a fundamental thing about well being.”

...Universal basic income is an idea that’s been swirling around for centuries and has been tried across the world. While it has come to mean many different things, in its purest definition, a universal basic income is granted to everyone, regardless of wealth, income or employment status, on an unconditional basis.

...“I loved the basic income experience”
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indago » 06 Feb 2019 1:09 pm » wrote:Then, bypassing all the extraneous ****, you are saying that government should send to each individual around $3000 per year, or, around $250 per month?

....AGAIN, FIRST AND FOREMOST, AN HONEST, PUBLIC, TRANSPARENT audit of the accounts at 'the federal reserve' [and commercial 'banks of issue']...THEN, THE CALCULATION OF THE PRO-RATA AMOUNT, hillbilly boy...

....I SUSPECT MANY $URPRISE$ IF/WHEN YOU STOOOPID **** REPUBLICRATS EVER DEMAND/ALLOW AN HONE$T LOOK BEHIND 'THE CURTAIN$'!...

peepee » 04 Feb 2019 11:33 am » wrote:

indago » 03 Feb 2019 9:18 am » wrote:
If, as you say, you are NOT "backing away", then tell us just how much "the money" will be sent to the individual by the government, and how often. You brought it up, now eat it.

...first a little question for you, hillbilly boy...

It says here: "Peepee on Money "

Not "indago on Money", or anybody else "on Money"

So, don't be Whining'nSniveling when somebody puts forth to YOU: Peepee on Money, a query about "the money"...

I used to peepee on money, but alas, merchants are turned off by urine soaked bills

SJConspirator » 11 Feb 2019 8:18 am » wrote:I used to peepee on money, but alas, merchants are turned off by urine soaked bills

Hmmmm... never thought about it quite that way...

...republicrat monetary ignoramuses revel in pointless banter... eh, hillbilly boy and sjw con?...

...i am posting the following as an 'atta boy' to huey for being the first republicrat here at lf to take up/attempt my challenge to explain 'who creates our money and how do they do it?':

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=40714/another-day-a ... hreat-yawn

Huey » 11 Feb 2019 8:33 am wrote:Tell you what, one trick pony. Here is the answer to the one question you always ask. After I give the answer you can STFU. Old white people at the fed get together and decide how much money is needed to sustain the economy. They either giveth or they taketh away. Once the determination is made a press of the button is done and suddenly banks have more money to spend or they don't. Thru adjustments of interest rates they also decide the cost of them money to either make it easier or harder to obtain.You may sit down know... (huey)

....congratulations!...seriously...you are the first republicrat here who has taken up my profound challenge...four stars for you for the attempt!!... ...i was hoping for some indication you understand what ellen brown talks about below...what you posted has the same feel as how the department of human services or department of education might describe themselves...but any attempt by a ?monetary newbie is appreciated!... https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns- ... erve/10489So let’s review:1. The Fed is privately owned
.Its shareholders are private banks. In fact, 100% of its shareholders are private banks. None of its stock is owned by the government.2. The fact that the Fed does not get “appropriations” from Congress basically means that it gets its money from Congress without congressional approval, by engaging in “open market operations.”
Here is how it works: When the government is short of funds, the Treasury issues bonds and delivers them to bond dealers, which auction them off. When the Fed wants to “expand the money supply” (create money), it steps in and buys bonds from these dealers with newly-issued dollars acquired by the Fed for the cost of writing them into an account on a computer screen. These maneuvers are called “open market operations” because the Fed buys the bonds on the “open market” from the bond dealers. The bonds then become the “reserves” that the banking establishment uses to back its loans. In another bit of sleight of hand known as “fractional reserve” lending, the same reserves are lent many times over, further expanding the money supply, generating interest for the banks with each loan. It was this money-creating process that prompted Wright Patman, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1960s, to call the Federal Reserve “a total money-making machine.” He wrote:“When the Federal Reserve writes a check for a government bond it does exactly what any bank does, it creates money, it created money purely and simply by writing a check
.”3. The Fed generates profits for its shareholders
.The interest on bonds acquired with its newly-issued Federal Reserve Notes pays the Fed’s operating expenses plus a guaranteed 6% return to its banker shareholders. A mere 6% a year may not be considered a profit in the world of Wall Street high finance, but most businesses that manage to cover all their expenses and give their shareholders a guaranteed 6% return are considered “for profit” corporations.In addition to this guaranteed 6%, the banks will now be getting interest from the taxpayers on their “reserves.” The basic reserve requirement set by the Federal Reserve is 10%. The website of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York explains that as money is redeposited and relent throughout the banking system, this 10% held in “reserve” can be fanned into ten times that sum in loans; that is, $10,000 in reserves becomes $100,000 in loans. Federal Reserve Statistical Release H.8 puts the total “loans and leases in bank credit” as of September 24, 2008 at $7,049 billion. Ten percent of that is $700 billion. That means we the taxpayers will be paying interest to the banks on at least $700 billion annually – this so that the banks can retain the reserves to accumulate interest on ten times that sum in loans.The banks earn these returns from the taxpayers for the privilege of having the banks’ interests protected by an all-powerful independent private central bank, even when those interests may be opposed to the taxpayers’ — for example, when the banks use their special status as private money creators to fund speculative derivative schemes that threaten to collapse the U.S. economy. Among other special benefits, banks and other financial institutions (but not other corporations) can borrow at the low Fed funds rate of about 2%. They can then turn around and put this money into 30-year Treasury bonds at 4.5%, earning an immediate 2.5% from the taxpayers, just by virtue of their position as favored banks. A long list of banks (but not other corporations) is also now protected from the short selling that can crash the price of other stocks.

...lf's own dantev2 recently penned a beautiful thought-piece on the hideous, fraudulent nature of 'our' money system...this gets at 'the gi$t of it' brilliantly!

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=41054&p=1204982#p1204982

In the year 2032, our imaginary conversation takes place...

Privately owned central banks: We're going to lower IR's to -0.5% because the global economy is in a massive depression.

Normal, sentient person: Oh, cool. Does this mean I can borrow $1M and return $995,000 after a set # of yrs?

Privately owned central banks: Sorry, no. It's a privilege only reserved for private banks and some credit unions. BTW you typically need $10M to $30M in startup capital to finance your own bank/credit union! Good luck.

Normal, sentient person: Hmm...that doesn't seem like a "fair" or "free" market to me. How much will I have to pay to borrow $$$ for anything other than obtaining a home mortgage (that we all know are heavily subsidized)?

Privately owned central banks: Well the APR for most lines of credit is typically 14% - 20% if your credit score is amazing...otherwise count on it going beyond 25%. You can also have investors fund your business but you'll typically surrender 85-95% of the equity to them, so that's a course of action we would discourage unless you have a billion dollar idea...

Normal, sentient person: So why does a criminal bank like Chase/BoA/WF get away with "paying" -0.5% to loan the money to someone like me at 20%?

Privately owned central banks: Because the vast majority of your fellow citizens are inbred retards and low IQ cretins who allow organizations like us to stack the deck in our favor, while they bicker among themselves over trivial issues. Then there are those who actively crusade FOR our cause because they are too ignorant to understand the difference between a competitive market vs a monopoly. Case in point:


Normal, sentient person: I'm not sure what to say, monsieurs and madams...although I am beset with powerless anger, I feel somewhat relieved that you have come clean so suddenly. Would you like me to keep this a secret?

Privately owned central banks: No need, a small segment of your population has known for centuries and has diligently propagated this message to no avail. You need not worry about our welfare, for we have firmly ingrained and nestled ourselves within "the system"...

Normal, sentient person: I shall take my leave.

....fellow monetary realists [pretty thin around these parts], contrast dantev2's honest understandings of the origin, nature, etc., of money with the simple-minded myth perpetuation of snarky mark, hillbilly boy, dweebzer, vague-***, private dildo, squirmin8or, etc. republicrat-level members of the flock: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=40992&u=0&start=20

MarkMathews » 05 Mar 2019 8:19 am » wrote:

....although these republican/crat hillbillies won't admit it [as they run like rats from the question, 'who creates our money and how do they do it?'] they wrongly believe 'the government' 'prints' the money...btw, this is PRECISELY what 'the ****' want them to believe...they are good little republicrat sheeple... muttonheads...

MarkMathews » 05 Mar 2019 8:19 am » wrote:

OPEN WIDE, PEEPEE

indago » 10 Mar 2019 11:48 pm » wrote:
OPEN WIDE, PEEPEE

...hillbilly boy indago appears to be playing the part of my fool...

...this is an excellent example of maybe the most important and destructive myth held by you hillbilly republicrats: ...that our money is 'printed' and that 'the government' ('public') does the printing/creating...

...in reality [a place not known to the hillbilly boy republicrats] most of 'our' money 'exists' as mere digits created by PRIVATE ?foreign banksters...

...and if/when you gd republicrat fools ever figure this out, then, and only then, can we move towards a decent, intelligent, egalitarian society...