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sootedupCyndi » 15 Feb 2021, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2021, 2:33 pm

Nope!  I would not argue that.  The question is? How do we peons out smart it? That's what I want to know?and should I really care at this point? it's to far gone to correct pee pee? really. we cant dent this ****?

...cyndi, the very first thing is acquiring an understanding of 'the problem'....NONE of your/omh's stinking republicans truly understand what this guy [renaissance 2.0 guy, zimmer] is talking about...[no democrats either]

...that's 'the problem'... YOU/your ignorance about the mo$t important thing$ is revealed by what you choose to talk about here every day: ...essentially endless ****  mouthing about puppet$... 

...you can be no true 'help' to others if you are ignorant about the mo$t important thing$... 

peepee » 16 Feb 2021, 8:06 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 8:06 am

...cyndi, the very first thing is acquiring an understanding of 'the problem'....NONE of your/omh's stinking republicans truly understand what this guy [renaissance 2.0 guy, zimmer] is talking about...[no democrats either]

...that's 'the problem'... YOU/your ignorance about the mo$t important thing$ is revealed by what you choose to talk about here every day: ...essentially endless **** :o  mouthing about puppet$... 

...you can be no true 'help' to others if you are ignorant about the mo$t important thing$... 

The problem with money is those buying a reality spend all their biological time trying to show their loyalty to the royal we and it has come to a point the compliant they, them, those people caught onto the the ancestral gambit of two sided one track mantras like academia and arts, politics and religion, economics and social justification it is better to ignore life in plain sight than allowing the governed to understand mutually evolving inside out.

the governed behave thinking outside a box and the governing operate 6 degrees of separation between great grandparents and their great grandchildren populating space so far.

Mutual evolving nurtured by societal evolution and the distance between inner circle and outcast ancestors as people is a generic pronoun to creat confusion as to which genetaion is being discussed to the 4 or 5 levels of ancestry present.

peepee » 12 Feb 2021, 8:21 am » wrote: ↑

12 Feb 2021, 8:21 am

...here's lesson three of the renaissance 2.0 series... this guy is no trumpster, bidenster, fascist, mainstream economist, etc. assorted authoritarian fool... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2xnOZrtcG8&t=3s

One of my primary criticisms (after I state my agreement with you on the "money/credit creation" issue) is that no matter what system you adopt, that thin layer at the top of the pyramid will always exist. It is a part of human nature.

Show me one organization or system with greater than 150 people (Dunbar's #) that doesn't have the pyramid-like structure with the "owners" at the center making the final call.

You cannot because it doesn't exist.

Even "anarchist" organizations (like the left-wing Mexican Zapatistas) have hierarchy. Theirs is a bit flatter than our oligarchy/kleptocracy/whatever you want to call it, but it has the same shape and yes, they have their "owners" too.

The best you can do is usurp the "owners" temporarily, and hope the next set of owners will be a bit kinder and apply Cantillon's money neutrality. Wasting your time here "educating" people (How many people listen to your words? Maybe 1 out of 20 or 1 out of 30?) does nothing meaningful.
 
 

Polar1ty » 16 Feb 2021, 1:44 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 1:44 pm

One of my primary criticisms (after I state my agreement with you on the "money/credit creation" issue) is that no matter what system you adopt, that thin layer at the top of the pyramid will always exist. It is a part of human nature..... Wasting your time here "educating" people (How many people listen to your words? Maybe 1 out of 20 or 1 out of 30?) does nothing meaningful.

...AGAIN, i favor 'EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY' [equality under the law] NOT 'EQUALITY OF OUTCOME'...OF COURSE, some [more talented, more frugal] people will fare better than others in 'the great $coreboard of life' even in an honest, sane, egalitarian system... 

...as to the second point, AGAIN, little do republicrats, fascists, charles bronson libertarians, etc., understand but, the people who control the creation and issuance of 'the money' LARGELY control/influence the economic and political systems on the planet...so if i'm wasting my time, anyone engaging in any r vs. d talk, tranny talk, hitler my hero talk, etc., ad **** nauseam, is a  much much more meaningless time waster...word..   

...btw, i've given you and everyone else here many opportunities to poke holes as to my ideas on money [particularly money issuance]... i've never seen anything from you as to proposal$ here... i would love to see your ideas or even a quick copy and paste of someone you respect... 
 

peepee » 16 Feb 2021, 3:23 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 3:23 pm

...AGAIN, i favor 'EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY' [equality under the law] NOT 'EQUALITY OF OUTCOME'...OF COURSE, some [more talented, more frugal] people will fare better than others in 'the great $coreboard of life' even in an honest, sane, egalitarian system... 

...as to the second point, AGAIN, little do republicrats, fascists, charles bronson libertarians, etc., understand but, the people who control the creation and issuance of 'the money' LARGELY control/influence the economic and political systems on the planet...so if i'm wasting my time, anyone engaging in any r vs. d talk, tranny talk, hitler my hero talk, etc., ad **** nauseam, is a  much much more meaningless time waster...word.. 

Even in an "equality of opportunity" system, you will have those same "owners" as your video outlined.

Every animal species, save for those who live in very small communities or lead solitary lives (think bears), will have a few who reach "elite" status, and then exploit their status to ensure that only they (and their allies/descendants) remain at the top. This seems to be hard-coded into the human DNA as hierarchy is the rule of every human society since the dawn of civilization.

Being able to "print the money" and hand it to their friends in high places so they get the "first round of spending" is just one of many privileges bestowed upon the loyal...

Occasionally this setup will be overturned by catastrophes, wars, revolutions, etc. but it will not go away, and you will not "VOTE OUT" the bankers/oligarchs/(((Chosen Ones)))/[insert any other group responsible for the system we have today].

These people answer to one thing and one thing only...the use of FORCE.

I would agree those people are also wasting their time. Voting for candidates seems to be the biggest time waster of them all...

Finally, while I admire your tenacity, I simply do not see people who are being "educated." I would daresay most people are simply incapable of being educated...because they are too stupid...

Did you know the US military back in 1900 had to do basic "tests" to ensure the infantry were smart enough to do basic tasks like reading a map? Yes, believe it or not, some people are so stupid they cannot read a map...I doubt those people will understand our monetary system...    

Instead, you should see LiberalForum.net as a place to make fun of idiots...this is a target-rich environment after all.

And besides, you don't need to convince me, because I am already aware of the truth...
 
 

Polar1ty » 16 Feb 2021, 3:35 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 3:35 pm

Even in an "equality of opportunity" system, you will have those same "owners" as your video outlined..

Instead, you should see LiberalForum.net as a place to make fun of idiots...this is a target-rich environment...

...AGAIN, in an honest system some will rise as leaders by consent/affirmation...  they may acquire 10 or even 100 times more than average...not **** thousands of times more like it is in this stinking rigged system for which you apparently apologize...

...as to 'idiots' some people are smart about some things but virtually nobody understands 'the money'...not in any honest way... btw, 5th graders are capable of understanding 'it' [the fraudulent nature of the system]...it is THE all-time champion 'suppressed story'...word... 

...it's obvious that you do not even know of a person who gets 'it' or you would at least slap me with a meager stinking copy and paste of someone you think 'gets it'...[you haven't ....ever]...

 
 

peepee » 16 Feb 2021, 3:50 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 3:50 pm

...AGAIN, in an honest system some will rise as leaders by consent/affirmation...  they may acquire 10 or even 100 times more than average...not **** thousands of times more like it is in this stinking rigged system for which you apparently apologize...

...as to 'idiots' some people are smart about some things but virtually nobody understands 'the money'...not in any honest way... btw, 5th graders are capable of understanding 'it' [the fraudulent nature of the system]...it is THE all-time champion 'suppressed story'...word... 

...it's obvious that you do not even know of a person who gets 'it' or you would at least slap me with a meager stinking copy and paste of someone you think 'gets it'...[you haven't ....ever]...

You can talk theory Pee Pee The magnificent. And it is fun to follow..like a fun game.. but until you a have billion dollars.. and you can make a difference.  What in the hell are you wasting your time on it for.. life is way to short. F the money pee pee.  f  the money.  

peepee » 16 Feb 2021, 3:50 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 3:50 pm

...AGAIN, in an honest system some will rise as leaders by consent/affirmation...  they may acquire 10 or even 100 times more than average...not **** thousands of times more like it is in this stinking rigged system for which you apparently apologize...

...as to 'idiots' some people are smart about some things but virtually nobody understands 'the money'...not in any honest way... btw, 5th graders are capable of understanding 'it' [the fraudulent nature of the system]...it is THE all-time champion 'suppressed story'...word... 

...it's obvious that you do not even know of a person who gets 'it' or you would at least slap me with a meager stinking copy and paste of someone you think 'gets it'...[you haven't ....ever]...

Can you prove anything you wrote?

Let's start with this:

"In an honest system some will rise as leaders by consent/affirmation...  they may acquire 10 or even 100 times more than average...not **** thousands of times more"

Show me an "honest system," and where this "honest system" exists (or has existed).

And then there's this:

"it's obvious that you do not even know of a person who gets 'it'"

Actually I quoted you Ricky Tavy, when you asked me this question. You seem to have a short-term memory...

Anyway, Ricky Tavy thinks the current system of money creation is fine. You are in denial.

Please do not ask me to dig up that post again after I went through the trouble because I showed you a case where

1) the person in question clearly understands how banks "create" money

2) the person thinks the status quo is perfectly OK (in fact, you even noted that in your angry reply to him - you accused him of supporting the "stinking, rotten bankster cabal")

Once again, you are in denial. You refuse to accept that

1) Most people are too stupid to "get it" (The proof is that you have thousands of posts on LiberalForum.net and nobody, other than those who already knew what you were talking about, was persuaded)

2) Even if they do "get it," and yet they disagree with your conclusions (like Ricky Tavy), you will pretend that person doesn't exist or circle back to your claim that if only...if ONLY, they were just a bit more 'educated,' they would agree with you.

You cannot envision stupid people (who are all around) and you cannot envision people who understand what you are saying but disagree with your conclusion. The inevitable conclusion is an endless cycle of frustration and further denial.
 

Polar1ty » 16 Feb 2021, 4:07 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 4:07 pm

 

I cant show EXACTLY that but I CAN say that the INCA had no money. NOTHING analagous to such a thing. Your taxes were paid in labor by what you did. If you were a brewrr you spent so much of your labor went to the King who distributed it.. Even TODAY in remote regions the bridges are rebuilt on the Inca timeline in a part of the world where today THOUSANDS starve no one went hungry or without shelter and the Spaniards said that theft was unknown among them. The KING livd in a palace but other than that without a money system no one was ABLE to accumulate GREAT wealth. The royalty and great priests lived in nice neighborhoods and had nicer houses but NO ONE had the kind of wealth that say Bezos has today. Meanwhile the mail was delived across a couple of thousand miles in a week or so and messages could be sent in hours. They did engineering projects that we marvel at today.  Many of the roads used TODAY in the remote reagions of Peru and Boliva are INCA built roads. So while not in any way UTOPIA. IT meets a lot of the criteria he spoke of and does show the point he was trying to make IS viable
 
 

Polar1ty » 16 Feb 2021, 4:07 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 4:07 pm

Can you prove anything you wrote?

Let's start with this:

"In an honest system some will rise as leaders by consent/affirmation...  they may acquire 10 or even 100 times more than average...not **** thousands of times more"

Show me an "honest system," and where this "honest system" exists (or has existed).

And then there's this:

"it's obvious that you do not even know of a person who gets 'it'"

Actually I quoted you Ricky Tavy, when you asked me this question. You seem to have a short-term memory...

Anyway, Ricky Tavy thinks the current system of money creation is fine. You are in denial.

Please do not ask me to dig up that post again after I went through the trouble because I showed you a case where

1) the person in question clearly understands how banks "create" money

2) the person thinks the status quo is perfectly OK (in fact, you even noted that in your angry reply to him - you accused him of supporting the "stinking, rotten bankster cabal")

Once again, you are in denial. You refuse to accept that

1) Most people are too stupid to "get it" (The proof is that you have thousands of posts on LiberalForum.net and nobody, other than those who already knew what you were talking about, were persuaded)

2) Even if they do "get it," you will pretend that person doesn't exist or circle back to your claim that if only...if ONLY, they were just a bit more 'educated,' they would agree with you.

You monetary ignoramus

solon » 16 Feb 2021, 4:15 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 4:15 pm

I cant show EXACTLY that but I CAN say that the INCA had no money. NOTHING analagous to such a thing. Your taxes were paid in labor by what you did. If you were a brewrr you spent so much of your labor went to the King who distributed it.. Even TODAY in remote regions the bridges are rebuilt on the Inca timeline in a part of the world where today THOUSANDS starve no one went hungry or without shelter and the Spaniards said that theft was unknown among them. The KING livd in a palace but other than that without a money system no one was ABLE to accumulate GREAT wealth. The royalty and great priests lived in nice neighborhoods and had nicer houses but NO ONE had the kind of wealth that say Bezos has today. Meanwhile the mail was delived across a couple of thousand miles in a week or so and messages could be sent in hours. They did engineering projects that we marvel at today.  Many of the roads used TODAY in the remote reagions of Peru and Boliva are INCA built roads. So while not in any way UTOPIA. IT meets a lot of the criteria he spoke of and does show the point he was trying to make IS viable

Even if the Incan system fits into peepee's definition of an "honest" system, which I sincerely doubt, the conditions for that are far removed from what we have today. There is no feasible way to revert to that class of archaic systems.


That being said, you do bring up a good point about the pseudo-gift economy the Incans had.

Polar1ty » 16 Feb 2021, 4:07 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 4:07 pm

Can you prove anything you wrote?

Let's start with this:

"In an honest system some will rise as leaders by consent/affirmation...  they may acquire 10 or even 100 times more than average...not **** thousands of times more"

Show me an "honest system," and where this "honest system" exists (or has existed).


 

...i am not aware that any truly honest intelligent egalitarian money system has ever existed... so what?... [you appear to rule out 'progress'?!] ... can YOU 'prove' anything YOU write?...    

peepee » 16 Feb 2021, 6:24 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 6:24 pm

...i am not aware that any truly honest intelligent egalitarian money system has ever existed... so what?... [you appear to rule out 'progress'?!] ... can YOU 'prove' anything YOU write?...  :?:   

since when does self evident results need proving? Mob rule deniers demand it and because they can invent threories to sustain doubt, nobody can disprove the negative facts life is limited to mutually evolving so far.

Polar1ty » 16 Feb 2021, 4:07 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 4:07 pm

"it's obvious that you do not even know of a person who gets 'it'"

Actually I quoted you Ricky Tavy, when you asked me this question. You seem to have a short-term memory...

Anyway, Ricky Tavy thinks the current system of money creation is fine. You are in denial.

Please do not ask me to dig up that post again after I went through the trouble because I showed you a case where

1) the person in question clearly understands how banks "create" money

2) the person thinks the status quo is perfectly OK (in fact, you even noted that in your angry reply to him - you accused him of supporting the "stinking, rotten bankster cabal")

 

...tavy gets SOME of it...i believe the republicrat-level dummy hinted he was some kind of 'economics teacher'.....so he had a brief outline/$piel that included some truth...[which is rare, admittedly] ...but i don't believe he understands that money is a function of law [i don't think you do either] and 'the banks' doing the 'money creation' are ?foreign cartel members....only a **** asshole thinks that 'status quo is perfectly OK'...so what's your point?...

Polar1ty » 16 Feb 2021, 3:35 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 3:35 pm

Even in an "equality of opportunity" system, you will have those same "owners" as your video outlined.

...can YOU prove ANYTHING YOU write?     [sorry, i had to do it] 

...i'm sorry but that statement of yours above is delusional...you may still have some form of 'owner class' [much more widely dispersed] but they won't be 'those same people'...

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peepee » 16 Feb 2021, 6:33 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 6:33 pm

 

...tavy gets SOME of it...i believe the republicrat-level dummy hinted he was some kind of 'economics teacher'.....so he had a brief outline/$piel that included some truth...[which is rare, admittedly] ...but i don't believe he understands that money is a function of law [i don't think you do either] and 'the banks' doing the 'money creation' are ?foreign cartel members....only a **** asshole thinks that 'status quo is perfectly OK'...so what's your point?...

Peepee... you are the arbiter and guardian, harboring a sacred and secret truth that no other will ever fathom... your fate is to carry this forbidden knowledge, with the exquisite agony that no one else can share your burden.. the burden of ultimate monetary understanding.  

SJConspirator » 16 Feb 2021, 4:40 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 4:40 pm

You monetary ignoramus

...i come here to engage in 'politics'...'the/a competition of ideas about government'....people who don't understand that 'the government' is $ubservient to those who control the money are brain-laundered fools...'monetary ignoramuses' if you will....  

 remember, republicrats "It is not my contention that all the troubles and woes of man can be removed by the establishment of an honest, egalitarian, scientific, etc., monetary system. It is my contention that until such a system is established other attempts to remove those troubles will have a **** hard time succeeding."   
 

SJConspirator » 16 Feb 2021, 6:48 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 6:48 pm

Peepee... you are the arbiter and guardian, harboring a sacred and secret truth that no other will ever fathom... your fate is to carry this forbidden knowledge, with the exquisite agony that no one else can share your burden.. the burden of ultimate monetary understanding.

  
...you resort to republicrat-level ****.. ['no other will ever fathom?!' ...this 12 year-old understands it better than you *******!...]    ..btw, i have a lot more knowledge and understanding and interest in 'the money' than you do...you understand that, right?...   

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0IUl2UMwt4
 
 

sootedupCyndi » 16 Feb 2021, 4:06 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 4:06 pm

What in the hell are you wasting your time on it for.. life is way to short. F the money pee pee.  f  the money.

...this from a gd republican fool who spends her time arguing    about the puppet$...cyndi, f the puppets and trannies, you trifling, ****  spewing dummy...    
 
..at least i 'waste my time' on thing$ much more important/impactful than the **** republicrat puppet$ about whom you republicrat-level fools waste YOUR time... word..    

 

Polar1ty » 16 Feb 2021, 3:35 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2021, 3:35 pm

1.) Finally, while I admire your tenacity, I simply do not see people who are being "educated." I would daresay most people are simply incapable of being educated...because they are too stupid...

...2.) you don't need to convince me, because I am already aware of the truth...

1.)...i [or you] will never 'educate anyone'... as i've told you before, in the end, we are all our own teachers...the best i/you can do is make others aware of something about which they were previously ignorant... it's up to the individual to truly 'educate' themselves...always... 

2.) ...i appreciate that you are one of the few who registers some interest in 'the money'....can i see YOUR best writing/thoughts on the subject...more specifically how do YOU think money should created and issued and why?... can you just post a link to your favorite person on the subject of 'the money'... just once?...

...i am constantly $eeking and i use this place as a 'sounding board'...it tells me a lot when my only criticisms are stuff like, 'you are wasting your time, people are too stupid to understand'.... [btw, i know that people don't under$tand because they're being/have been 'manipulated'...right, sjc?..]