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golfboy » 09 Nov 2014 10:50 am » wrote: this moron has to quote an APRIL statement? LOL... loser.

And yet, your bootlicking is still as relevant today as it was 7 months ago.

greatnpowerfuloz » 09 Nov 2014 1:03 pm » wrote:
And yet, your bootlicking is still as relevant today as it was 7 months ago.

No ****. As soon as a left wing pundit gives some half assed excuse for the election loss the left wing posters are posting them.

greatnpowerfuloz » 09 Nov 2014 1:03 pm » wrote: And yet, your bootlicking is still as relevant today as it was 7 months ago.

And you're just as stupid. Sad that everything we've taught you in the interim was wasted.

golfboy » 09 Nov 2014 3:06 pm » wrote: And you're just as stupid. Sad that everything we've taught you in the interim was wasted.

Who is this 'we' you refer to?

I voted Republican, jackass. I got what I wanted.

greatnpowerfuloz » 09 Nov 2014 4:03 pm » wrote: Who is this 'we' you refer to?

I voted Republican, jackass. I got what I wanted.

Suuuuuure you did. Just like Cannon predicted Tuesday's rout.
I love watching the liberal meltdown

golfboy » 09 Nov 2014 6:22 pm » wrote: Suuuuuure you did. Just like Cannon predicted Tuesday's rout.
I love watching the liberal meltdown

Sure I did. Robert Hurt. 5th congressional district. VA. Incumbent win. I almost went for the Libertarian but who votes their conscience anymore?

And besides. I liked the cut of his suit jib and his Dracula teeth.

Cannonpointer » 06 Apr 2014 11:09 pm » wrote:Again and again on this board, I have pointed out that capitalism - not "crony" capitalism, not red or green or blue capitalism, but CAPITALISM - lives by the government gun.

Not according to the actual definition, moonbat.

What you refer to is a corruption of Capitalism.

Cannonpointer » 13 Apr 2014 11:16 pm » wrote:Actually, capitalism IS socialism, and it also REQUIRES socialist redistribution since it works TOO well at parasitism - so well that without redistribution there would be blood in the streets.

Up is down, and hot is cold!

RichClem » 09 Nov 2014 7:19 pm » wrote: Not according to the actual definition, moonbat.

What you refer to is a corruption of Capitalism.

Capitalism, by virtue of the disassociated and competitive humans at its helm, is by nature an entity that eventually needs to corrupt and manipulate, in order to survive the unfettered demands it creates for itself. There are no checks and balances within the entity capable of reining in its appetite for more of itself.

It's only the firm hand of a strong social order and their representatives that prevent it from corrupting the economy it operates in and destroying the society it depends on.

You're once again, confusing Capitalism with Free Enterprise, lugnut.

RichClem » 09 Nov 2014 7:21 pm » wrote: Up is down, and hot is cold!

If you can't understand the concept, just admit you don't understand and we can all move on without you.

greatnpowerfuloz » 09 Nov 2014 7:32 pm » wrote: Capitalism, by virtue of the disassociated and competitive humans at its helm, is by nature an entity that eventually needs to corrupt and manipulate, in order to survive the unfettered demands it creates for itself. There are no checks and balances within the entity capable of reining in its appetite for more of itself.

It's only the firm hand of a strong social order and their representatives that prevent it from corrupting the economy it operates in and destroying the society it depends on.

You're once again, confusing Capitalism with Free Enterprise, lugnut.

I'm not confusing anything, moonbat. I've cited the dictionary definition of "Capitalism."

Have you? No, you prefer ignorance and idiocy.

greatnpowerfuloz » 09 Nov 2014 7:36 pm » wrote: If you can't understand the concept, just admit you don't understand and we can all move on without you.

I understand that the psychotic is equating near opposites.

You obviously can't comprehend that.

greatnpowerfuloz » 09 Nov 2014 7:32 pm » wrote:Capitalism, by virtue of the disassociated and competitive humans at its helm, is by nature an entity that eventually needs to corrupt and manipulate, in order to survive the unfettered demands it creates for itself. There are no checks and balances within the entity capable of reining in its appetite for more of itself.

It's only the firm hand of a strong social order and their representatives that prevent it from corrupting the economy it operates in and destroying the society it depends on.

You're once again, confusing Capitalism with Free Enterprise, lugnut.

If politicians do not allow particular businesses or sectors to be empowered via law or regulations, the process of Capitalism is voluntary.

So what power do corporations have over you?

RichClem » 09 Nov 2014 7:39 pm » wrote: I'm not confusing anything, moonbat. I've cited the dictionary definition of "Capitalism."

Have you? No, you prefer ignorance and idiocy.

Obviously you don't if you stand by the idea that capitalism can be corrupted by something outside of itself. An impossible scenario when capitalism is, by its very nature, the corrupting influence.

Unless you believe that somehow you can separate the ideal of capitalism from its human operators. If so, your belief lingers in the realm of some theoretical mind game you play with yourself. Nothing, not democracy, not socialism, not communism, not anarchy, is worthy of theoretical discussion alone. If you want to play that game, it's a masturbatory one that is best played alone.

But, if you truly understand. If you've changed your mind and have seen the light, we can expect you to stop playing the role of capitalist champion, eh?

greatnpowerfuloz » 09 Nov 2014 7:45 pm » wrote: Obviously you don't if you stand by the idea that capitalism can be corrupted by something outside of itself. An impossible scenario when capitalism is, by its very nature, the corrupting influence.

Unless you believe that somehow you can separate the ideal of capitalism from its human operators. If so, your belief lingers in the realm of some theoretical mind game you play with yourself. Nothing, not democracy, not socialism, not communism, not anarchy, is worthy of theoretical discussion alone. If you want to play that game, it's a masturbatory one that is best played alone.

But, if you truly understand. If you've changed your mind and have seen the light, we can expect you to stop playing the role of capitalist champion, eh?

I understand what you don't; that without the power of government Capitalism is voluntary, and that the definition of Capitalism is Free Market Capitalism.

Combine the power of business and government, and you end up with a form of Fascism.


That's exactly why Socialism fails.

RichClem » 09 Nov 2014 7:43 pm » wrote: If politicians do not allow particular businesses or sectors to be empowered via law or regulations, the process of Capitalism is voluntary.

Free Enterprise is voluntary and needs no regulation. Capitalism is predatory, with or without regulations. Free enterprise exists via a mutual agreement between two parties. The seller and the buyer. Where both are satisfied with the arrangement. Capitalism exists to gain a greater advantage over its economic partner.

So what power do corporations have over you?

To the extent that they go so far as to manipulate my government to gain greater and greater advantages in order to grow larger and acquire more without contributing a fair and equitable compensation? They have an unnerving amount of power.

Time is running out for your kind. Nobody wants what you're selling anymore.

greatnpowerfuloz » 09 Nov 2014 8:03 pm » wrote: To the extent that they go so far as to manipulate my government to gain greater and greater advantages in order to grow larger and acquire more without contributing a fair and equitable compensation? They have an unnerving amount of power.

Time is running out for your kind. Nobody wants what you're selling anymore.

That's the stupidest thing I've seen in, well in minutes.

What I advocate won a huge victory Tuesday.


What I advocate is spreading by popular will around the globe.

Socialism is dead. Send flowers.

So what else is there other than Free Market Capitalism?

RichClem » 09 Nov 2014 7:56 pm » wrote: I understand what you don't; that without the power of government Capitalism is voluntary, and that the definition of Capitalism is Free Market Capitalism.

Combine the power of business and government, and you end up with a form of Fascism.

That's exactly why Socialism fails.

So does the government seek out the capitalist or vice versa? What's in it for the government to provide advantage to corporations over the interests of the worker and consumer?

Do you have a bumper sticker for that one, Clem?

A quick lesson:

The government needs corporations to provide jobs to gain tax revenues.

The corporation needs the government to provide an educated and skilled labor force, a sound infrastructure to operate with and a pool of consumers with spending ability.

Corporations need laborers to produce the goods and consumers to purchase them. They are often one in the same.

Laborers and consumers need corporations to provide them with jobs and consumables. They also need the government to protect them from corporate abuse of their participation in the cycle. As the capitalist snake has a natural taste for its own tail and will consume itself, at it's own peril, corporations also need the regulations imposed upon them to protect themselves from themselves. They know this but fight it, as the child does, his serving of broccoli.

It all works until the corporations run out of jobs, find more advantageous labor elsewhere or are left unregulated.

Here we are. Western capitalism is broken. What survives of it is mostly limited to Wall Street transactions and small Main Street businesses trying to compete with Walmart, Target, Kroger, etc. Large corporations subsidized by the Federal government. Rid ourselves of these big competitors and the subsidies become unnecessary. Small businesses compete with each other for labor and consumers.

Free enterprise reins once again.

If the best you can do is google a definition, you have no business being in a discussion about capitalism.

greatnpowerfuloz » 09 Nov 2014 4:03 pm » wrote: Who is this 'we' you refer to?

I voted Republican, jackass. I got what I wanted.

LMAO... You Voted Republican???
You're a Booze-soaked Buffoon OZ... You openly stated you're personal choice for 2016 is Liz Warren---yet today you actually claim you Voted Repub ??? You have in fact also tried to position yourself as independent when it suits.. Your political conviction is as interchangeable, ludicrous & convenient as your confused Nationality identity crisis... You're clearly a creature without any conviction, true belief or a backbone.

RichClem » 09 Nov 2014 8:23 pm » wrote:
That's the stupidest thing I've seen in, well in minutes.

This would almost be sad, if it wasn't so deliciously funny. How anyone can be as ignorant as you and still function in society is evidence of the social safety net that supports even the dullest and least intelligent of its citizens. You should be grateful you don't live where they shoot their retarded.

What I advocate won a huge victory Tuesday.

You're right on that score. The least intelligent and uninformed segment of the populace went out and voted on Tuesday. Fortunately or unfortunately, it gave credence to the idea that stupidity cannot be underestimated and, left unchecked, can prove dangerous for those who know better.

Wake up you 65% with a better than average IQ. The lower 35% will be running the show soon.

What I advocate is spreading by popular will around the globe.

It's it King Clem now? I await your soldiers to my shores, oh mighty one.

Socialism is dead. Send flowers.

You're jumping on an empty grave, idiot. Socialism, as you bizarrely define it, is not the destructive force in operation here. What you advocate is more of the same. A steady progression into a corporate communist state. So keep cheering. Your self-imposed demise is clap worthy as I sit safely in a country with educated citizens who have their politicians in their sights and don't sleep through back door deals with capitalist pigs. You're not only going down, you're happily digging your own graves, ignorantly believing what you're told by talk show entertainers who are paid per viewer.

So what else is there other than Free Market Capitalism?

You're either blind or stupid (the latter gets the vote on that one) Free Enterprise is what is other. A concept as foreign to you as a Muslim in your shower, bozo. An open playpen for all. Not just those with the money to manipulate legislation that favors them and destroys their competition - or shuts out the little guy with a good idea.

Capitalism is what most cons here rail against. Most of us want free enterprise. Get that?

No you say? You prefer your spot on the ice? Left out in the cold?

What's your kindergarten teacher's name this year and why have you been held back for 40 years?