Liberal Forum

Ike Bana » 22 Sep 2021, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2021, 12:44 pm

Of course it's my opinion cheesedick.  It's all anybody has on this forum.  Anybody who claims to have truth or facts is a lying *** cocksucker.  When asked to prove something, what we get is more opinion.
 

so nobody understands their own opinion without social consensus backing it up?

Taipan » 22 Sep 2021, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2021, 1:50 pm

Sir,
The Democrat Ship............is...............sinking.
Yesterday,...............the price of a life-jacket.........was $100.00.

This morning................$1,000........each.
I am a capitalist.
You understand.
5 in your family ?
OK.
Fine.
$5,000.00.          Up front.       Cash.

Heheheeeeeeee.....................LOL............................... :die:   :die:   :die:  

ha ha ha ha ha, you really did a stupid post here, want me to explain why in front of everyone else watching?

omh » 22 Sep 2021, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2021, 4:37 pm

ha ha ha ha ha, you really did a stupid post here, want me to explain why in front of everyone else watching?

Sir,
I am a mercenary.
I don't do nothing..................unless there is
a piece of gold attached to it.                                                

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/ ... 0-campaign



He has to shave beard hair out of his ears now.

DeezerShoove » 30 Sep 2021, 9:58 am » wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021, 9:58 am

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/ ... 0-campaign


He has to shave beard hair out of his ears now.

So...
Besides you having to go back before he was president (like every other **** progressive),
what did President Biden do to inspire your hatred?
Be objective if that's even possible. Try to not channel other people's opinions.   

Must be a long and terrible list . . .



You KNOW you're a **** moron, don't you?

Blackvegetable » 30 Sep 2021, 10:50 am » wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021, 10:50 am

So...
Besides you having to go back before he was president (like every other **** progressive),
what did President Biden do to inspire your hatred?
Be objective if that's even possible. Try to not channel other people's opinions.   

Must be a long and terrible list . . .

You KNOW you're a **** moron, don't you?

Sure.

Answer the question.
Show me what a non-moron's got.

Taipan » 22 Sep 2021, 6:16 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2021, 6:16 pm

Sir,
I am a mercenary.
I don't do nothing..................unless there is
a piece of gold attached to it.                                               :clap:  

You can shove that mercenary crap where the sun doesn't shine and organized doubt rules your time breathing.

DeezerShoove » 30 Sep 2021, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021, 12:26 pm

Sure.

Answer the question.
Show me what a non-moron's got.

Let's keep it objective

His signature initiatives


His tax cut - a predictable failure.
​​​

His trade war - another predictable failure

The Wall - rejected even by his own party, stole the money from veterans - unconstitutionally.


Objective enough?

 

Blackvegetable » 30 Sep 2021, 5:46 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021, 5:46 pm

Let's keep it objective

His signature initiatives

His tax cut - a predictable failure.
​​​

His trade war - another predictable failure

The Wall - rejected even by his own party, stole the money from veterans - unconstitutionally.

Objective enough?

 Did the Trump tax cuts work? The answer may not be what you think.

AEIdeas

May 19, 2021 By James Pethokoukis

A common justification for raising corporate tax rates is that cutting tax rates back in 2017 didn’t work so well. So whether for reasons fiscal or egalitarian, it’s good policy to reverse some or all of President Trump’s Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.

Certainly a cursory glance at the statistics — which is what the “they didn’t work” claim is based on — shows GDP growth, productivity, and business investment about the same heading into the pandemic. Not much sign of the sharp and sustained surge that some proponents promised. President Trump, for instance, said the tax cuts would be “rocket fuel” for the economy. But as The Wall Street Journal concluded in early 2020: “Early growth in business investment seems to have faded; overall economic growth rose before pulling back again. Cross-border investment patterns have changed only modestly.” (It should be noted that the most recent productivity stats show 2017 and 2018 did see an uptick in the pace of productivity growth, though hardly a boom.)

A couple things to keep in mind, however: For starters, many GOP politicians and pundits argued for the tax cuts in a way most economists didn’t. While the former said the tax cuts would radically alter investment incentives and unleash a flood of corporate cash into the domestic economy from overseas holdings, the latter made arguments more like this one from AEI economist Alan Viard [bold by me]:

Reducing the tax rate on a company’s taxable income gives it an incentive to earn more taxable income by expanding their factories, equipment, and other business capital in the United States. It is in a company’s self-interest to expand their U.S. investments because the rate cut lets them keep more of the profits of those investments. With more capital augmenting their output, American workers become more productive and therefore more valuable to employers. Companies throughout the economy then compete against each other to hire more workers, bidding up their wages. These dynamics — the expansion of the capital stock and the resulting increases in productivity and wages — are likely to play out over a number of years after the rate cut takes effect.

Accurate, but less catchy. But the point here is that the most common attack on tax cuts is really addressing a political argument rather than an economic one. Moreover, tax cut critics almost always ignore the impact of Trump’s other big economic “achievement” — the trade wars. As AEI economist Kyle Pomerleau puts it: “Trump decided to run two experiments at the same time: A tax cut and a trade war. And those are somewhat offsetting. CBO thinks they’re almost entirely offsetting in some years. So just looking at the economy, it looks like nothing happened, so it is hard to come to any conclusion from just observing.”

One reason the trade wars may have undercut the tax cuts was because of the massive business uncertainty they created. In a new analysis by Hites Ahir, Nicholas Bloom, and Davide Furceri, the researchers note the following: 

…uncertainty related to US foreign policy and trade negotiations—including with Mexico, Canada and China—has been a key source of uncertainty around the world since the fourth quarter of 2016, contributing to about 20 percent of the increase in global uncertainty from historical mean since 2016. This rise in trade tensions and its implication is well documented. But recently global spillovers from this source of uncertainty have become close to zero.

And as economist Steven Davis — a co-creator of the Economic Policy Uncertainty Index with Bloom and Scott Baker —  described the effect of the trade wars back in 2018, companies faced “a tremendous, Trumpian upsurge in anxiety and uncertainty.”

In other words, the conclusion that the Trump tax cuts failed should not be offered with anywhere near the level of certainty that it frequently is. Indeed, that the Biden administration is not proposing a complete rollback suggests even it sees some value in them.
 

DeezerShoove » 07 Oct 2021, 6:17 am » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2021, 6:17 am

 Did the Trump tax cuts work? The answer may not be what you think.

AEIdeas

May 19, 2021 By James Pethokoukis

A common justification for raising corporate tax rates is that cutting tax rates back in 2017 didn’t work so well. So whether for reasons fiscal or egalitarian, it’s good policy to reverse some or all of President Trump’s Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.

Certainly a cursory glance at the statistics — which is what the “they didn’t work” claim is based on — shows GDP growth, productivity, and business investment about the same heading into the pandemic. Not much sign of the sharp and sustained surge that some proponents promised. President Trump, for instance, said the tax cuts would be “rocket fuel” for the economy. But as The Wall Street Journal concluded in early 2020: “Early growth in business investment seems to have faded; overall economic growth rose before pulling back again. Cross-border investment patterns have changed only modestly.” (It should be noted that the most recent productivity stats show 2017 and 2018 did see an uptick in the pace of productivity growth, though hardly a boom.)

A couple things to keep in mind, however: For starters, many GOP politicians and pundits argued for the tax cuts in a way most economists didn’t. While the former said the tax cuts would radically alter investment incentives and unleash a flood of corporate cash into the domestic economy from overseas holdings, the latter made arguments more like this one from AEI economist Alan Viard [bold by me]:

Accurate, but less catchy. But the point here is that the most common attack on tax cuts is really addressing a political argument rather than an economic one. Moreover, tax cut critics almost always ignore the impact of Trump’s other big economic “achievement” — the trade wars. As AEI economist Kyle Pomerleau puts it: “Trump decided to run two experiments at the same time: A tax cut and a trade war. And those are somewhat offsetting. CBO thinks they’re almost entirely offsetting in some years. So just looking at the economy, it looks like nothing happened, so it is hard to come to any conclusion from just observing.”

One reason the trade wars may have undercut the tax cuts was because of the massive business uncertainty they created. In a new analysis by Hites Ahir, Nicholas Bloom, and Davide Furceri, the researchers note the following: 

And as economist Steven Davis — a co-creator of the Economic Policy Uncertainty Index with Bloom and Scott Baker —  described the effect of the trade wars back in 2018, companies faced “a tremendous, Trumpian upsurge in anxiety and uncertainty.”

In other words, the conclusion that the Trump tax cuts failed should not be offered with anywhere near the level of certainty that it frequently is. Indeed, that the Biden administration is not proposing a complete rollback suggests even it sees some value in them.

You roamed Google for a week to come up with James Pethokoukis?

Do you have any idea who he is?

They trot his *** out to bleat apologias for reactionary policy failures.

I'll take that **** apart this afternoon, but while you wait, here's some unqualified data.....from a professional.

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, introduced at the end of 2017, was a complex tax reform that included tax cuts for individuals and businesses. One of the anticipated effects of the reform was to stimulate investment (Council of Economic Advisers, 2017). Business investment, however, grew more slowly after the tax reform than before it (figure 1). The average quarterly growth rate of business investment was 2.8 percent in 2018–2019, lower than the rates in 2016–2017 (4.0 percent), 2013–2017 (3.9 percent), or 2010–2017 (5.5 percent). Even taking into account that other economic factors, such as changes in trade policy and a global economic slowdown, may have held investment down, these data suggest that the stimulus provided by the tax reform was not large.

https://www.clevelandfed.org/newsroom-a ... tment.aspx

Blackvegetable » 07 Oct 2021, 7:47 am » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2021, 7:47 am

You roamed Google for a week to come up with James Pethokoukis?

Do you have any idea who he is?

They trot his *** out to bleat apologias for reactionary policy failures.

I'll take that **** apart this afternoon, but while you wait, here's some unqualified data.....from a professional.

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, introduced at the end of 2017, was a complex tax reform that included tax cuts for individuals and businesses. One of the anticipated effects of the reform was to stimulate investment (Council of Economic Advisers, 2017). Business investment, however, grew more slowly after the tax reform than before it (figure 1). The average quarterly growth rate of business investment was 2.8 percent in 2018–2019, lower than the rates in 2016–2017 (4.0 percent), 2013–2017 (3.9 percent), or 2010–2017 (5.5 percent). Even taking into account that other economic factors, such as changes in trade policy and a global economic slowdown, may have held investment down, these data suggest that the stimulus provided by the tax reform was not large.

https://www.clevelandfed.org/newsroom-a ... tment.aspx

Total ****, ***. So, does the privately owned fed (and you) think that braindead biden's reckless spending spree with the accompanying tax hikes for everyone will not be more inflationary than already exists and a provide and economic boon?  You and they are lying idiots!!!

Blackvegetable » 07 Oct 2021, 7:47 am » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2021, 7:47 am

You roamed Google for a week to come up with James Pethokoukis?

Do you have any idea who he is?

They trot his *** out to bleat apologias for reactionary policy failures.

I'll take that **** apart this afternoon, but while you wait, here's some unqualified data.....from a professional.

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, introduced at the end of 2017, was a complex tax reform that included tax cuts for individuals and businesses. One of the anticipated effects of the reform was to stimulate investment (Council of Economic Advisers, 2017). Business investment, however, grew more slowly after the tax reform than before it (figure 1). The average quarterly growth rate of business investment was 2.8 percent in 2018–2019, lower than the rates in 2016–2017 (4.0 percent), 2013–2017 (3.9 percent), or 2010–2017 (5.5 percent). Even taking into account that other economic factors, such as changes in trade policy and a global economic slowdown, may have held investment down, these data suggest that the stimulus provided by the tax reform was not large.

https://www.clevelandfed.org/newsroom-a ... tment.aspx

Nope, don't care.
It all opinion and his is published, yours is not.

Finding ANYTHING to counter your opinion is good enough.
Hey, feel good, little feller...
It took less time to find that than replying my usual "**** you, stupid".

btw
Your SOP is to poke at the source. Big surprise.  
That last couple of sentences in my post left you scratching your point.
Prezimun Who?Wha? likes Trump policies. Including the wall.

DeezerShoove » 07 Oct 2021, 8:19 am » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2021, 8:19 am

Nope, don't care.
It all opinion and his is published, yours is not.

Finding ANYTHING to counter your opinion is good enough.
Hey, feel good, little feller...
It took less time to find that than replying my usual "**** you, stupid".

btw
Your SOP is to poke at the source. Big surprise.  
That last couple of sentences in my post left you scratching your point.
Prezimun Who?Wha? likes Trump policies. Including the wall.

James is a former Jeopardy contestant and USAToday intern.

The first time I read him, he was blaming CRA for the Great Recession.

I guess now he's AEI's house influencer.

In other words, the conclusion that the Trump tax cuts failed should not be offered with anywhere near the level of certainty that it frequently is. 

Do you consider this an endorsement?
 

James Pethokoukis -

"Sure, so it may LOOK like a failure....but it was only 1.5 trillion.


No biggie.


Hey, Solyndra!"

Buffalo » 07 Oct 2021, 8:09 am » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2021, 8:09 am

Total ****, ***. So, does the privately owned fed (and you) think that braindead biden's reckless spending spree with the accompanying tax hikes for everyone will not be more inflationary than already exists and a provide and economic boon?  You and they are lying idiots!!!

You, a commercial banker, are taking issue with the Federal Reserve?

Buff,

Don't presume. You're a cretin.
 

Blackvegetable » 07 Oct 2021, 8:27 am » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2021, 8:27 am

James is a former Jeopardy contestant and USAToday intern.

The first time I read him, he was blaming CRA for the Great Recession.

I guess now he's AEI's house influencer.

Do you consider this an endorsement?

What part of "I don't care." did you find hard to understand?

btw
Would you trust somebody MORE if they were a career politician or a lawyer?
Maybe an auto mechanic or a welder is less shameful.
Perhaps you respect a tax cheat who's never been successfully prosecuted.

Good bye, ****.

DeezerShoove » 07 Oct 2021, 12:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2021, 12:22 pm

What part of "I don't care." did you find hard to understand?

btw
Would you trust somebody MORE if they were a career politician or a lawyer?
Maybe an auto mechanic or a welder is less shameful.
Perhaps you respect a tax cheat who's never been successfully prosecuted.

Good bye, ****.

You don't know anything about it so you picked some idiot at random. It just happened to be an idiot with whom I am familiar.

Try to get over it.

 

Blackvegetable » 07 Oct 2021, 12:38 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2021, 12:38 pm

You don't know anything about it so you picked some idiot at random. It just happened to be an idiot with whom I am familiar.

Try to get over it.

How about you get over it? You're the one making a big deal out of it.
I always find it amusing that I can get this **** from you chatroom champions.
Happens a lot.

Any ol' topic...
I can find, just by collecting 3 to 4 words, plug them in a Google search, a conflicting story.
Usually takes a total of 5-6 seconds if you count the time I take to think of the words.

Amazing how close I come to the target. And how often.
This is proven by your reactions (among others). Just at random...
I barely try anymore. That "Frank from..." lives in your head even today. 
I don't even know who that is. But you do. After I put him there...  

I have never claimed ANY expertise in economics, finance, money, boring blah blah stuff.
Doesn't mean I can't have legitimate questions.

You going nuts and trying for that "win"; that's **** funny.
No answer will be coming from you anyway... never does.
But that SOP: bad source, I know/you don't, more questions. EVERY time.

Thanks for the grins, winner   

I'm glad the Biden Administration is holding on to some Trumpisms. You aren't.   
 

Watch this pathetic braindead bumbling idiot of a pathetic POTUS:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1446208099853942784

Buffalo » 08 Oct 2021, 10:52 am » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2021, 10:52 am

Watch this pathetic braindead bumbling idiot of a pathetic POTUS:

You poor BDS-ridden wingnut.  Here's some travel information for you:  https://www.rbth.com/travel/330996-movi ... ving-kirby

You can leave Biden's terrible goal of helping ALL Americans behind you.