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Endoscopy » 05 May 2014 10:07 am » wrote: Oh WOW. Such a refutation of what I posted. How can i ever figure out how to make a combat this extremely logical take down of what I posted.

SILLY SILLY SILLY

It was not a refutation. It was a not very subtle expression of disappointment in your inability to acknowledge anyone else and a clue you can take with you as to why some of us are now passing by your extremely partisan rants.

gaynflowerfulputz » 05 May 2014 10:46 am » wrote:
It was not a refutation. It was a not very subtle expression of disappointment in your inability to acknowledge anyone else and a clue you can take with you as to why some of us are now passing by your extremely partisan rants.

LOL! says the one who didges questions with rants...Pot...Kettle...Black. Tool!

Cannonpointer » 04 May 2014 3:47 pm » wrote:
Because a $14,000 price tag on an item that costs $400 (labor inclusive) to produce SHOULD make the distinction I am making obvious even to dullards.

$14,000 - 400 = 13,600. That's serious room for profit, son. WHY ARE THERE NO FREE AGENTS JUMPING INTO THE GAME?

Seriously, one of you capitalism supporters take it on. Rock, you wanna field that? With a 35,000% profit margin on an item you can build in your garage, WHY ISN'T THERE A SINGLE ENTREPRENEUR FROM MAIN STREET JUMPING IN THE WATER? Is the apparent lock that Wall Street has just a conicidence? If so, I'll pick another item from another industry and make the same goddamned point, over and over and over til you puke, son.

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Cannonpointer » 04 May 2014 3:41 pm » wrote:
The greenies who use the courts to make nuclear too expensive to build work for big coal. Welcome to the scary world of adults, kid.

****-me, a conspiracy around every corner!!!

Vaginaboy » 05 May 2014 12:23 pm » wrote:
LOL! says the one who didges questions with rants...Pot...Kettle...Black. Tool!

This is one of those instances which remind me to remind my liberal friends that:

No matter how many times these cons repeat a lie, it never magically becomes the truth,

I hear you're leaving us Vaginaboy - for some vacation or sabbatical?......Maybe it was a stint in prison. I didn't quite catch the details.

Fill us in when you're released.

Fuelman » 05 May 2014 3:14 pm » wrote: ****-me, a conspiracy around every corner!!!

We live in interesting times.

Cannonpointer » 04 May 2014 3:47 pm » wrote:
Because a $14,000 price tag on an item that costs $400 (labor inclusive) to produce SHOULD make the distinction I am making obvious even to dullards.

$14,000 - 400 = 13,600. That's serious room for profit, son. WHY ARE THERE NO FREE AGENTS JUMPING INTO THE GAME?

Seriously, one of you capitalism supporters take it on. Rock, you wanna field that? With a 35,000% profit margin on an item you can build in your garage, WHY ISN'T THERE A SINGLE ENTREPRENEUR FROM MAIN STREET JUMPING IN THE WATER? Is the apparent lock that Wall Street has just a conicidence? If so, I'll pick another item from another industry and make the same goddamned point, over and over and over til you puke, son.

I'm still waiting on some proof of this %35000 profit margin.

GeorgeWashington » 04 May 2014 4:12 pm » wrote:
Free enterprise requires the exchange of capital.

What part of wiki's definition do you disagree or take issue with?

Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry, and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy. Wikipedia

The lies. I disagree with the lies - both those of omission and those of commission. I can tell you what your own eyes have already seen, for your entire life - which makes it really weird that you would ask wiki for an explanation. I've had ******, so I don't go to wiki to tell me what ****** is like. Same with capitalism: I was RAISED IN A CAPITALIST COUNTRY - why would I need to refer to wiki?

Now, if you want to talk about what's real as opposed to what's wiki, let us.

Capitalism is an economic system wherein a privileged elite have access to vast sums of capital, which confers great power on that privileged elite. The POOR among them wear Gucci loafers, whereas the others don't have to slum like that. The privileged elite wwrite the tax code and have it rubber stamped by their lackeys in DC. They use other people's money to crush independent operators - see my OP to better understand how this works, or just stop looking at **** wiki and start paying attention to your actual environment.

Free Enterprise is an economic system with the emphasis on ENTERPRISE, not capital. It's getting **** - again, refer to my OP or your own life experience, but not to wiki. Wiki's purpose is information, not enlightenment.

tharock220 » 04 May 2014 5:27 pm » wrote:
Are you on drugs??? Where in the hell did you get that number???

My bad. 3,500%.

That's the profit margin, based on Wall Street's prices.

Answer the question.

Cannonpointer » 05 May 2014 10:38 pm » wrote:
My bad. 3,500%.

That's the profit margin, based on Wall Street's prices.

Answer the question.

The profit margin is wrong.

How big of a solar panel can you make for $400???

Vegas » 04 May 2014 5:45 pm » wrote:
Oh good lord. I know where you are going with this and I am not falling for it. Ive had this discussion a billion times with your kind. Im going to say this one more time. Libs want 100% socialism. They dont want 50% or 75% or any kind of mixed economy whatsoever. They want 100% government control. If you dont know this then you are an ignorant pig.

So, in other words, you're a ***. Thanks.

Now, ***: EITHER Name one capitalist country that doesn't have a welfare state component, OR admit that what you're sniveling about is capitalism, not socialism, you dick sucking little mental midget.

tharock220 » 04 May 2014 5:50 pm » wrote:
You can't argue with Cannon. He thinks the only cost inputs for building solar panels are materials and labor.

Yes, I do think that. They can be built right in your garage - no additional cost input. Now, dazzle us with brilliance, Sparky. Tell me the other cost inputs for building solar panels at home. A 60 watt bulb?

Cannonpointer » 05 May 2014 10:48 pm » wrote:
Yes, I do think that. They can be built right in your garage - no additional cost input. Now, dazzle us with brilliance, Sparky. Tell me the other cost inputs for building solar panels at home. A 60 watt bulb?

**** it, let's just assume that part is right. How much of solar panel can you build for $400???

greatnpowerfuloz » 05 May 2014 10:41 am » wrote:
Or benefit the most?

Any answer to that Endo or will you simply ignore the question in lieu of spewing another round of your rambling partisan claptrap?

And you wonder why we've grown tired of responding to the same **** of yours, day after day, post after post.

He's a mediocre fly-over poster whom I almost never read.

tharock220 » 05 May 2014 8:24 pm » wrote:
I'm still waiting on some proof of this %35000 profit margin.

Yeah, yeah - you got me on a decimal point. Hootie ****' hoo.

Meanwhile, any challenge I give you, you fail at. Here's another challenge:

Since capitalism and free enterprise are the same thing in My little Pony world, explain to the class why no one ever says Crony Free Enterprise. For that matter, explain why two different expressions exist to define the exact same thing.

You cannot.

Cannonpointer » 05 May 2014 11:13 pm » wrote:
Yeah, yeah - you got me on a decimal point. Hootie ****' hoo.

Meanwhile, any challenge I give you, you fail at. Here's another challenge:

Since capitalism and free enterprise are the same thing in My little Pony world, explain to the class why no one ever says Crony Free Enterprise. For that matter, explain why two different expressions exist to define the exact same thing.

You cannot.

How much solar panel can you build for $400. Can this is a straight-forward question.

tharock220 » 05 May 2014 11:25 pm » wrote:
How much solar panel can you build for $400. Can this is a straight-forward question.

Actually, it's $200, 00, not $400.00 I was figuring your day's labor at 200 bucks.

An 8 foot panel, 30 inches wide, rated at 240 watts per hour. That a couple of KW per panel, per day where I live.

Cannonpointer » 05 May 2014 11:42 pm » wrote:
Actually, it's $200, 00, not $400.00 I was figuring your day's labor at 200 bucks.

An 8 foot panel, 30 inches wide, rated at 240 watts per hour. That a couple of KW per panel, per day where I live.

And in what world can you sell that for $14000???

tharock220 » 05 May 2014 11:47 pm » wrote:
And in what world can you sell that for $14000???

In the world where the government pays half off the top, guarantees low interest loans for the remainder, gives you tax breaks for the life of the system and lets you tap into the grid to sell your excess - IOW, the world of capitalism.

In the free enterprise world, one could make a healthy living selling such panels at 400 bucks per - but we live in the capitalist world, not the free enterprise world. In the CAPITALIST world, Underwriters Laboratory acts as a gate keeper to keep the small operator out of the game. Google, "I already know this ****, but am playing stupid."

Cannonpointer » 05 May 2014 10:34 pm » wrote: The lies. I disagree with the lies - both those of omission and those of commission. I can tell you what your own eyes have already seen, for your entire life - which makes it really weird that you would ask wiki for an explanation. I've had ******, so I don't go to wiki to tell me what ****** is like. Same with capitalism: I was RAISED IN A CAPITALIST COUNTRY - why would I need to refer to wiki?

Now, if you want to talk about what's real as opposed to what's wiki, let us.

Capitalism is an economic system wherein a privileged elite have access to vast sums of capital, which confers great power on that privileged elite. The POOR among them wear Gucci loafers, whereas the others don't have to slum like that. The privileged elite wwrite the tax code and have it rubber stamped by their lackeys in DC. They use other people's money to crush independent operators - see my OP to better understand how this works, or just stop looking at **** wiki and start paying attention to your actual environment.

Free Enterprise is an economic system with the emphasis on ENTERPRISE, not capital. It's getting **** - again, refer to my OP or your own life experience, but not to wiki. Wiki's purpose is information, not enlightenment.

What part if wikis definition do you take issue or disagree with?

Crony capitalism is a term describing an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government officials. It may be exhibited by favoritism in the distribution of legal permits, government grants, special tax breaks, or other forms of state interventionism.[1][2] Crony capitalism is believed to arise when business cronyism and related self-serving behavior by businesses or businesspeople spills over into politics and government,[3] or when self-serving friendships and family ties between businessmen and the government influence the economy and society to the extent that it corrupts public-serving economic and political ideals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism