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littlehawk12 » 04 May 2014 12:33 pm » wrote: There's got to be a loop hole. couldn't you sell the kits, and then contract your labor too put them together, and install them?

skews13 » 04 May 2014 12:37 pm » wrote:
The current costs for installation of PV varies per watt depending upon your location. If you can come in under that, you've got a gig. Of course this also requires the proper license and insurance. I suggest you build the panels yourself, and team up with an electrical contractor in your state to install them. Here's a good guideline to determine your coast, and what you could realistically charge to be competitive.

http://solarpowerauthority.com/how-much ... -us-house/

littlehawk12 » 04 May 2014 12:20 pm » wrote:
Speak for yourself, and the guys you run with. Myself, and most of the guys I know are very capable, and handy with just about any tool. But hey, we are Alaskans. Use to depending on ourselves.

Cannonpointer » 04 May 2014 12:41 pm » wrote: Can you or one of these electrical contractors negate the requirement for that UL stamp - or force the UL to abandon their gate keeper activities and make the stamp accessible to a small business person whose product meets the standards?

Cannonpointer » 04 May 2014 12:41 pm » wrote: Can you or one of these electrical contractors negate the requirement for that UL stamp - or force the UL to abandon their gate keeper activities and make the stamp accessible to a small business person whose product meets the standards?

Truthwarrior757 » 04 May 2014 7:38 am » wrote: Your the homo here loser

Cannonpointer » 02 May 2014 10:35 pm » wrote:

We need to go back to a free enterprise economy, where the little guy does not face unsurmountable obstacles to starting a small business.

Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post: [/size]
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...

From which you are running...

Vegas » 04 May 2014 1:12 pm » wrote: This statement is not going to make your side happy at all. They love excessive regulations and hate free enterprise economy. I commend you for seeing the light finally, but be prepared for the libs to attack you something fierce.

Vegas » 04 May 2014 1:12 pm » wrote: This statement is not going to make your side happy at all. They love excessive regulations and hate free enterprise economy. I commend you for seeing the light finally, but be prepared for the libs to attack you something fierce.

littlehawk12 » 04 May 2014 12:20 pm » wrote: Speak for yourself, and the guys you run with. Myself, and most of the guys I know are very capable, and handy with just about any tool. But hey, we are Alaskans. Use to depending on ourselves.

skews13 » 04 May 2014 1:27 pm » wrote:
Hi, I'm skews13, a jack of all trades. I've got this fancy new fangled item I would like to install on your house. I don't have a license or insurance, and I can't vouch for the quality of materials this contraption is made out of, but I'll do a real good job for ye at a fair price. We don't need no stikin' govmint regerlations. And don't wurry bout' no stinkin' purmit. The govmint don't need to know about it. And if a littl' fire happns' to break out, just tell the surnce' company ta mind their bisnes and writhe the check. It's bout' liberty I tell ya.

Blackvegatble's hypcorisy summed up in one post: [/size]
Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...

From which you are running...

skews13 » 04 May 2014 1:42 pm » wrote: That's nice.

Here's what the court is going to tell you when you **** up.

http://goarticles.com/article/Electrica ... a/6938027/

http://labor.alaska.gov/research/dlo/contrcon.htm

And good luck with the insurance companies lawyers. They're a bunch of really happy fun guys.

littlehawk12 » 04 May 2014 1:57 pm » wrote: **** you, and your courts. We do what we want in the Alaska Bush.

Cry to your mommy about the way we do things without nanny government holding our hands. Maybe she will give a ****.

skews13 » 04 May 2014 2:10 pm » wrote: It will be an Alaskan judge you will be in front of ****, explaining Alaskan law to you. They don't make special provisions depending upon which part of the state you live in. It's people like you that drive up the installation costs, and insurance costs for all of the rest of us who play by the rules. On behalf of every electrical contractor who worked their *** off to become licensed electricians, and homeowners who have mortgages that pay confiscatory insurance premiums, stick to something that doesn't cost the rest of us money. We don't give a **** about your bush lifestyle. We're not impressed. At all.

Cannonpointer » 02 May 2014 10:35 pm » wrote:Instead of definitions, let's talk functions.

Look at the materials required to construct a solar panel.They cost about $200.00. Add a day's labor to that $200.00, and you've got yourself a solar panel. You could sell iffor $400.00, and you've got yourself a job. So, why isn't anyone doing it?We live in a free enterprise economy, do we not?

Not.

We live in a capitalist economy, which games the system to PREVENT free enterprise. You are not allowed to sell your solar panels without a stamp of approval from Underwriters Laboratories -and they are gate keepers for Wall Street.The cost of shaking hands with UL prevents free enterprisers from operating in that market -and the same thing is going on in almost every market. The little guy is locked out by the engineered and manipulated expense of sitting at the table - locked out. Only Wall Streeters, using OTHER PEOPLES' capital, can afford to play in the game.

We need to go back to a free enterprise economy, where the little guy does not face unsurmountable obstacles to starting a small business.

Cannonpointer » 02 May 2014 10:35 pm » wrote:Instead of definitions, let's talk functions.

Look at the materials required to construct a solar panel.They cost about $200.00. Add a day's labor to that $200.00, and you've got yourself a solar panel. You could sell iffor $400.00, and you've got yourself a job. So, why isn't anyone doing it?We live in a free enterprise economy, do we not?

Not.

We live in a capitalist economy, which games the system to PREVENT free enterprise. You are not allowed to sell your solar panels without a stamp of approval from Underwriters Laboratories -and they are gate keepers for Wall Street.The cost of shaking hands with UL prevents free enterprisers from operating in that market -and the same thing is going on in almost every market. The little guy is locked out by the engineered and manipulated expense of sitting at the table - locked out. Only Wall Streeters, using OTHER PEOPLES' capital, can afford to play in the game.

We need to go back to a free enterprise economy, where the little guy does not face unsurmountable obstacles to starting a small business.

tharock220 » 04 May 2014 2:30 pm » wrote: This doesn't make any sense Cannon. In all seriousness, you're blaming a public institution for controlling the ability of the economy to produce something. That isn't Capitalism. I agree with what you're saying, but I don't agree with you definition.

I'll tell you this though, a friend of my Dad's owns a number of car-washes around Houston. He hired a book-keeper to take care of his finances several years back, and at one point a couple years ago that book-keeper made a mistake that had tax implications. The guy wound up having to pay penalties. Here's the thing though, if the guy had hired a CPA then my Dad's friend wouldn't have been on the hook for the mistake and the CPA would have, and that's exactly what he uses.

Is it not insane that government gives a subgroup of what are essentially accountants this special power so that they can charge more???