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Fuelman » 04 May 2014 2:45 pm » wrote:Of all the thousands of regulations, why did CP pick this one????

Because a $14,000 price tag on an item that costs $400 (labor inclusive) to produce SHOULD make the distinction I am making obvious even to dullards.

$14,000 - 400 = 13,600. That's serious room for profit, son. WHY ARE THERE NO FREE AGENTS JUMPING INTO THE GAME?

Seriously, one of you capitalism supporters take it on. Rock, you wanna field that? With a 35,000% profit margin on an item you can build in your garage, WHY ISN'T THERE A SINGLE ENTREPRENEUR FROM MAIN STREET JUMPING IN THE WATER? Is the apparent lock that Wall Street has just a conicidence? If so, I'll pick another item from another industry and make the same goddamned point, over and over and over til you puke, son.

Vegas » 04 May 2014 2:51 pm » wrote:
You're a liar!! The left push socialism on everyone. Socialism is the complete antithesis of free market eterprise. You want the gov in control, not the individual. Why do you lie so much?

See, *******? I told you we weren't road dogs, ya drooler.

Now, THIS IS WHERE YOU NAME ONE CAPITALIST COUNTRY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A WELFARE STATE COMPONENT, or this is where I school you that social welfare is part and parcel of capitalism, son.

I'll wait. We all will.

Name that country.

Vegas » 04 May 2014 3:36 pm » wrote: and where did I say that?

I said it, dummy - ARE YOU A RETARD?

Where did you disagree?

Now sit down and shut up, puke mouth.

greatnpowerfuloz » 04 May 2014 3:37 pm » wrote:
Come on, shin. How do think the US operated before regulations were created to benefit the industrialists?

Before Reagan and the Walmart effect, local communities, independent banks and small businesses within that community were in many ways, still operating in a free "as possible' enterprise environment. At least it was the closest thing to it in recent memory.

It may be a pipe dream, but it's not a myth. And no free enterprise within a civilized society comprised of millions of people with ever be totally free, with no regulations.

What isn't a pipe dream is the demand for an end to Fed and state regulations which have crippled the ability of local economies to be autonomous. In Virginia, farmers are prohibited by law to sell their meat, produce and dairy directly to the public. They are forced to sell to large food conglomerates at a fraction of what their goods are worth.

Spot on. Before pig Reagan, there was a local bank in every community. After pig Reagan, there are five banks. The money went to the top and the urine trickled down. We have a trickledown economy and trickledown government. Don't look up because that AIN'T rain.

Cannonpointer » 04 May 2014 3:33 pm » wrote:


Please reassure me, forthwith, that you have the intellect to distinguish between an economy which relies for its funding on a veritable priesthood class which has access to billions in anonymous cash, and an economy funded by risk takers who steward their OWN resources. Please reassure me that you know the difference between a game with a bar against entrance for the common man, and a game where all are welcome to play, provided they bring their own helmet?

Wrong. You're confusing two separate issues.

tharock220 » 04 May 2014 3:57 pm » wrote:
Wrong. You're confusing two separate issues.

Really?

Why is there no effort from any main street entrepreneur to build solar panels in our free enterprise economy? The current profit margin is 35,000%.

How much higher does it need to go before regular folks will want to venture in that market?

Seriously - NAME THE PERCENTAGE it will take to get entrepreneurs to jump in. Right now, the margin is 35,000%. HOW MUCH HIGHER, in your expert opinion, son?

Cannonpointer » 04 May 2014 3:24 pm » wrote: You and I are not comrades in arms, nanny stater. You think bill gates is practicing free enterprise.

He tried, but dc capitalists put an end to that.

Cannonpointer » 04 May 2014 3:37 pm » wrote: This is a mistake.

Capitalism is a system where CAPITAL makes the rules, and all of the emphasis and power are focused on CAPITAL.

Free Enterprise is a system which rewards ENTERPRISE, not capital, and participants need no special license, no imprimatur of entrance, no friends in high places - just an idea, some energy, and as much money as market implementation of that idea requires.

WE DON'T HAVE A CRONY CAPITALISM PROBLEM. WE HAVE A CAPITALISM PROBLEM. The solution is free enterprise - what the founders implemented when they overthrew the British East India Company.
Mo, we live in a capitalist society. Capitalism is what it is, and pretending that your abuser's problem is curable - that he's ACTUALLY a "good guy" who just needs therapy - is not the solution. Nuking Wall Street to rescue Main Street is the solution.

Free enterprise requires the exchange of capital.

What part of wiki's definition do you disagree or take issue with?

Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry, and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy. Wikipedia

Cannonpointer » 04 May 2014 4:01 pm » wrote:
Really?

Why is there no effort from any main street entrepreneur to build solar panels in our free enterprise economy? The current profit margin is 35,000%.

How much higher does it need to go before regular folks will want to venture in that market?

Seriously - NAME THE PERCENTAGE it will take to get entrepreneurs to jump in. Right now, the margin is 35,000%. HOW MUCH HIGHER, in your expert opinion, son?

Are you on drugs??? Where in the hell did you get that number???

Cannonpointer » 04 May 2014 3:49 pm » wrote:
See, *******? I told you we weren't road dogs, ya drooler.

Now, THIS IS WHERE YOU NAME ONE CAPITALIST COUNTRY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A WELFARE STATE COMPONENT, or this is where I school you that social welfare is part and parcel of capitalism, son.

I'll wait. We all will.

Name that country.

Oh good lord. I know where you are going with this and I am not falling for it. Ive had this discussion a billion times with your kind. Im going to say this one more time. Libs want 100% socialism. They dont want 50% or 75% or any kind of mixed economy whatsoever. They want 100% government control. If you dont know this then you are an ignorant pig.

Vegas » 04 May 2014 5:45 pm » wrote:
Oh good lord. I know where you are going with this and I am not falling for it. Ive had this discussion a billion times with your kind. Im going to say this one more time. Libs want 100% socialism. They dont want 50% or 75% or any kind of mixed economy whatsoever. They want 100% government control. If you dont know this then you are an ignorant pig.

You can't argue with Cannon. He thinks the only cost inputs for building solar panels are materials and labor.

KiwiPete » 04 May 2014 12:55 am » wrote:I know what the free market is, but I don't believe in this pseudo-free market we live in. A true free market capitalist society is one where the state and corporation do not exist, nor nations. What we have now is state-capitalism, fascism, or corporatism.

The political system is a construct of the economic system, as much as it is the ideological beliefs of a nation's members i.e. a judge is employed by the government, not a private company - though the government in turn is influenced heavily by economic or corporate interests. Though communists make no distinction between the state and corporation, arguing both are products or creations of capitalism.

It is curious you think that the state and corporation, can exist in a real free market economy, when state and corporate monopolies are the anti-thesis of a free market system i.e. a free market economy must exist in form of private contracts and small and medium size business to be a real free market.

It is ignorant to defend 'capitalism', when the 'free market capitalism' you are defending is a sham, as it is just a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Better to be a democratic-socialist or a 'liberal' as you term it, if it means not drinking the kool-aid that is neo-liberalism and the false free market.

In a way you are right. Democrats are making regulations like there is no tomorrow. Every regulation a bureaucrat in Washington, DC cooks up is compiled in the Code of Federal Regulations, which currently spans more than one hundred seventy-five thousand pages. Even the index is over a thousand pages. Currently they crank out regulation at the rate of 1/2 to 1 inch pf paper every month. The Obama Administration is planning on another 2,300 rules; meddling in everything from health insurance to mandating video cameras in cars.

With all of this regulations small or mid size businesses are always in non compliance somewhere. It takes a fortune 500 level of companies that can afford to hire enough lawyers to keep up wit current and new regulations to keep compliant with this massive anchor around the neck of the businesses. Currently we spend 10% of the US economy on keeping these regulations.

DEMOCRATS ARE KILLING BUSINESSES
AND FORCING THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY

Vegas » 04 May 2014 5:45 pm » wrote: Oh good lord. I know where you are going with this and I am not falling for it. Ive had this discussion a billion times with your kind. Im going to say this one more time. Libs want 100% socialism. They dont want 50% or 75% or any kind of mixed economy whatsoever. They want 100% government control. If you dont know this then you are an ignorant pig.

It's got to be getting more difficult by the moment, to square your indoctrinated beliefs with the reality on the ground. All you can do is rant and deny, deny, deny. Please Jesus, make these Libs behave like my media heroes told me they're supposed to!

What you WANT us to be is of no concern to us. It's obviously of great concern to you, though.

Let us know when your head explodes, pig.

Before it does, how 'bout taking a shot at cannon's question.

Now, THIS IS WHERE YOU NAME ONE CAPITALIST COUNTRY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A WELFARE STATE COMPONENT, or this is where I school you that social welfare is part and parcel of capitalism, son.
I'll wait. We all will.
Name that country.

Endoscopy » 04 May 2014 6:57 pm » wrote:
In a way you are right. Democrats are making regulations like there is no tomorrow. Every regulation a bureaucrat in Washington, DC cooks up is compiled in the Code of Federal Regulations, which currently spans more than one hundred seventy-five thousand pages. Even the index is over a thousand pages. Currently they crank out regulation at the rate of 1/2 to 1 inch pf paper every month. The Obama Administration is planning on another 2,300 rules; meddling in everything from health insurance to mandating video cameras in cars.

With all of this regulations small or mid size businesses are always in non compliance somewhere. It takes a fortune 500 level of companies that can afford to hire enough lawyers to keep up wit current and new regulations to keep compliant with this massive anchor around the neck of the businesses. Currently we spend 10% of the US economy on keeping these regulations.

DEMOCRATS ARE KILLING BUSINESSES
AND FORCING THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY

And then there's this guy who's still here holding his sign.

Cannonpointer » 04 May 2014 4:29 am » wrote: Stop talking to yourself, retard. It's weird.
Queer, the nation went broke under bush, on the heels of 6 years of absolute republican hegemony. Try again, dick-mouth.

You have your head where the sun does not shine.
I was responding to an idiot that thinks a judge is part of the capitalist system and you come along and cherry pick statements out of my response to try to make me look foolish. The problem is you are the foolish one.

Your assertion that it was the Bush administration made the nation go broke is so foolish it make you look so foolish. Obama has spent $1 trillion in deficit most of his administration and is expected to achieve the $22 trillion in deficit level by the end of his reign as king Obama. Laws mean nothing to him. He ignores and changes the laws to his whim.

I will re post this so you can see what the Democrats are doing to kill businesses. Note it is the Democrats doing this.

In a way you are right. Democrats are making regulations like there is no tomorrow. Every regulation a bureaucrat in Washington, DC cooks up is compiled in the Code of Federal Regulations, which currently spans more than one hundred seventy-five thousand pages. Even the index is over a thousand pages. Currently they crank out regulation at the rate of 1/2 to 1 inch pf paper every month. The Obama Administration is planning on another 2,300 rules; meddling in everything from health insurance to mandating video cameras in cars.

With all of this regulations small or mid size businesses are always in non compliance somewhere. It takes a fortune 500 level of companies that can afford to hire enough lawyers to keep up wit current and new regulations to keep compliant with this massive anchor around the neck of the businesses. Currently we spend 10% of the US economy on keeping these regulations.

DEMOCRATS ARE KILLING BUSINESSES

AND FORCING THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY

nuckin futz » 03 May 2014 12:11 pm » wrote: This is the fascism I have been ranting about for years now!

The corporation is the tail wagging the dog of govenment.

You libertarians get it bass ackwards!

Always ranting about big government, on and on.

Nurse Rached, I thought you had been banned by now.
Or locked up in the nut house you work at.

But don't fret, I am not after you anymore, but the Potty Patrol may be!

And I thought you would have drunk yourself to death by now.

Nubber » 04 May 2014 12:12 pm » wrote: 1: Have you ever heard of a lobbyist?

2: So you will understand I will use the following example-Solyndra.

As long as there have been regulations to enforce, there have been people manipulating them.

So the lobbyist got to Obama. This is great. Lobbyists are in charge of congress and the president and making them march to their tune. Is this why so many businesses are deserting this country???? Did they create an environment that even they can't live in????

Does the following be part of the Obama administration doing their bidding????
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Every regulation a bureaucrat in Washington, DC cooks up is compiled in the Code of Federal Regulations, which currently spans more than one hundred seventy-five thousand pages. Even the index is over a thousand pages. Currently the administration is cranking our regulations of 1/2 to 1 inch each month. The Obama Administration is planning on another 2,300 rules; meddling in everything from health insurance to mandating video cameras in cars.

This red tape is in effect taxing taxpayers and employers alike to the point where Americans now spend over $1.7 trillion every year JUST on complying with federal regulations.

The fact is, these compliance costs amount to 10 percent of the U.S. economy -- that’s money being spent jumping through hoops instead of hiring workers, expanding businesses, or saving for the future.
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What are they hoping to accomplish with this massive regulations. What other things are they making the government do.

greatnpowerfuloz » 04 May 2014 7:27 pm » wrote: And then there's this guy who's still here holding his sign.

Oh WOW. Such a refutation of what I posted. How can i ever figure out how to make a combat this extremely logical take down of what I posted.

SILLY SILLY SILLY

Endoscopy » 05 May 2014 10:00 am » wrote: What are they hoping to accomplish with this massive regulations.

Who do these regulations affect the least?

GeorgeWashington » 05 May 2014 10:24 am » wrote: Who do these regulations affect the least?

Or benefit the most?

Any answer to that Endo or will you simply ignore the question in lieu of spewing another round of your rambling partisan claptrap?

And you wonder why we've grown tired of responding to the same **** of yours, day after day, post after post.