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Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 9:14 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:14 am

It is all about appearance for you.

The modification is what makes one a weapon for the battlefield or a weapon for civilians.  The reason the M16 was a battlefield weapon was because it had the automatic selection.  The Sporter did not.  THAT was the modification.  It no longer functioned as a battlefield weapon.

And todays semi auto are purpose built for civilians.  They are not variants of the Sporter or M16.

Your Welcome.

Once again.

Dwarf versus the only citation.

Dwarf v. Dwarf.

Stand back.
 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 9:17 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:17 am

Once again.

Dwarf versus the only citation.

Dwarf v. Dwarf.

Stand back.

I have already posted multiple citations saying the Sporter was designed for Civilians.

You have posted none that says it was designed for the battlefield.

You have posted nothing of what you claimed was modified.

The M16 fired a 5.56.  The Sporter fired a .223.  

The barrel twist was different.  

This will help you:Comparison to military versionsThe primary distinction between civilian semi-automatic rifles (no longer manufactured by Colt for civilian use) and military models is select fire. Military rifles were produced with firing modes, semi-automatic fire and either fully automatic fire mode or burst fire mode, in which the rifle fires three rounds in succession when the trigger is depressed. Most components are interchangeable between semi-auto and select fire rifles including magazines, sights, upper receiver, barrels and accessories.[19][20] The military M4 carbine typically uses a 14.5-inch (370 mm) barrel. Civilian rifles commonly have 16-inch or longer barrels to comply with the National Firearms Act.[21]In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[22] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[23] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 9:28 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:28 am

I have already posted multiple citations saying the Sporter was designed for Civilians.

You have posted none that says it was designed for the battlefield.

You have posted nothing of what you claimed was modified.

The M16 fired a 5.56.  The Sporter fired a .223.  

The barrel twist was different.  

This will help you:Comparison to military versionsThe primary distinction between civilian semi-automatic rifles (no longer manufactured by Colt for civilian use) and military models is select fire. Military rifles were produced with firing modes, semi-automatic fire and either fully automatic fire mode or burst fire mode, in which the rifle fires three rounds in succession when the trigger is depressed. Most components are interchangeable between semi-auto and select fire rifles including magazines, sights, upper receiver, barrels and accessories.[19][20] The military M4 carbine typically uses a 14.5-inch (370 mm) barrel. Civilian rifles commonly have 16-inch or longer barrels to comply with the National Firearms Act.[21]In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[22] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[23] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

The AR-15 Sporter-1 (SP1) is a semi-automatic variant of the AR-15 series of assault rifles. It was produced by Colt, the same manufacturer of the military M16 on the same production lines as the military rifle.[3]



note the absence of Narrative.

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 9:14 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:14 am

It is all about appearance for you.

The modification is what makes one a weapon for the battlefield or a weapon for civilians.  The reason the M16 was a battlefield weapon was because it had the automatic selection.  The Sporter did not.  THAT was the modification.  It no longer functioned as a battlefield weapon.

And todays semi auto are purpose built for civilians.  They are not variants of the Sporter or M16.

Your Welcome.

DESIGN


NOD.

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:44 am

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 9:28 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:28 am

I have already posted multiple citations saying the Sporter was designed for Civilians.

You have posted none that says it was designed for the battlefield.

You have posted nothing of what you claimed was modified.

The M16 fired a 5.56.  The Sporter fired a .223.  

The barrel twist was different.  

This will help you:Comparison to military versionsThe primary distinction between civilian semi-automatic rifles (no longer manufactured by Colt for civilian use) and military models is select fire. Military rifles were produced with firing modes, semi-automatic fire and either fully automatic fire mode or burst fire mode, in which the rifle fires three rounds in succession when the trigger is depressed. Most components are interchangeable between semi-auto and select fire rifles including magazines, sights, upper receiver, barrels and accessories.[19][20] The military M4 carbine typically uses a 14.5-inch (370 mm) barrel. Civilian rifles commonly have 16-inch or longer barrels to comply with the National Firearms Act.[21]In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[22] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[23] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

The AR-15 Sporter-1 (SP1) is a semi-automatic variant of the AR-15 series of assault rifles. It was produced by Colt, the same manufacturer of the military M16 on the same production lines as the military rifle.[3]



note the absence of Narrative.

 

And it is not manufactured anymore with the modifications posted that made it legal for civilians.  What is your point?

Using your logic today's semi autos are not variants, are not designed for the military and are not produced on the same production lines.

Need need to ban them.  
 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 9:46 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:46 am

DESIGN

NOD.

Explain what you mean by "design".  Are you discussing function or appearance?  

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:48 am

Explain what you mean by "design".  Are you discussing function or appearance?

I'm using it in the same way the citations CONSISTENTLY do..

Design in that sense is about the function. That doesn't change...Something designed for combat remains something designed for combat, even when modified and painted pink.




You have now been answered 48 ways to Sunday..

 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:47 am

And it is not manufactured anymore with the modifications posted that made it legal for civilians.  What is your point?

Using your logic today's semi autos are not variants, are not designed for the military and are not produced on the same production lines.

Need need to ban them.

To oblige you to eat your years' of **** about the Sporter.

Using your logic today's semi autos are not variants

That is not my "logic".


We can stop now.


Again.


You've lost.


Go bury the Sporter.

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 9:53 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:53 am

I'm using it in the same way the citations CONSISTENTLY do..

Design in that sense is about the function. That doesn't change...Something designed for combat remains something designed for combat, even when modified and painted pink.

You have now been answered 48 ways to Sunday..

Todays semi automatics are not designed combat.  They look like those that are, but they are designed for civilian use.  None of those weapons are on the list of combat used by the US Military.

They are nothing more than a semiauto that looks like military.  



 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 9:55 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:55 am

To oblige you to eat your years' of **** about the Sporter.

That is not my "logic".

We can stop now.

Again.

You've lost.

Go bury the Sporter.

On the contrary, you strengthened my argument about the Sporter.  Particularly the last post I made (that you did not read) outlining the major MODIFICATIONS (your word that you ran from)  that had to be made.  You can stop now.  


Thanks.  
 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 9:28 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:28 am

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 9:17 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 9:17 am

Once again.

Dwarf versus the only citation.

Dwarf v. Dwarf.

Stand back.

I have already posted multiple citations saying the Sporter was designed for Civilians.

You have posted none that says it was designed for the battlefield.

You have posted nothing of what you claimed was modified.

The M16 fired a 5.56.  The Sporter fired a .223.  

The barrel twist was different.  

This will help you:

Comparison to military versions

The primary distinction between civilian semi-automatic rifles (no longer manufactured by Colt for civilian use) and military models is select fire. Military rifles were produced with firing modes, semi-automatic fire and either fully automatic fire mode or burst fire mode, in which the rifle fires three rounds in succession when the trigger is depressed. Most components are interchangeable between semi-auto and select fire rifles including magazines, sights, upper receiver, barrels and accessories.[19][20] The military M4 carbine typically uses a 14.5-inch (370 mm) barrel. Civilian rifles commonly have 16-inch or longer barrels to comply with the National Firearms Act.[21]In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[22] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[23] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

 

@Blackvegetable  

That is like removing engine and transmission from a NASCAR CUP series car and putting in your small engine from your **** stained GTI.  It is not the same weapon as the M16.

So no, the Sporter was not designed for the battlefield.

You are done here. 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 10:06 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 10:06 am

@Blackvegetable  

That is like removing engine and transmission from a NASCAR CUP series car and putting in your small engine from your **** stained GTI.  It is not the same weapon as the M16.

So no, the Sporter was not designed for the battlefield.

You are done here.

the Sporter was not designed for the battlefield.

EVERY citation (excluding, apparently, those vaguely described in an extended queef) confirms that the AR15 was designed for the battlefield.

 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 10:09 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 10:09 am

EVERY citation (excluding, apparently, those vaguely described in an extended queef) confirms that the AR15 was designed for the battlefield.

I am talking about the Sporter.  Which was designed for civilians as my citation shows. 

I have already posted multiple citations saying the Sporter was designed for Civilians.

You have posted none that says it was designed for the battlefield.

You have posted nothing of what you claimed was modified.

The M16 fired a 5.56.  The Sporter fired a .223.  

The barrel twist was different.  

This will help you:

Comparison to military versions

The primary distinction between civilian semi-automatic rifles (no longer manufactured by Colt for civilian use) and military models is select fire. Military rifles were produced with firing modes, semi-automatic fire and either fully automatic fire mode or burst fire mode, in which the rifle fires three rounds in succession when the trigger is depressed. Most components are interchangeable between semi-auto and select fire rifles including magazines, sights, upper receiver, barrels and accessories.[19][20] The military M4 carbine typically uses a 14.5-inch (370 mm) barrel. Civilian rifles commonly have 16-inch or longer barrels to comply with the National Firearms Act.[21]In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[22] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[23] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 10:14 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 10:14 am

I am talking about the Sporter.  Which was designed for civilians as my citation shows. 

I have already posted multiple citations saying the Sporter was designed for Civilians.

You have posted none that says it was designed for the battlefield.

You have posted nothing of what you claimed was modified.

The M16 fired a 5.56.  The Sporter fired a .223.  

The barrel twist was different.  

This will help you:

Comparison to military versions

The primary distinction between civilian semi-automatic rifles (no longer manufactured by Colt for civilian use) and military models is select fire. Military rifles were produced with firing modes, semi-automatic fire and either fully automatic fire mode or burst fire mode, in which the rifle fires three rounds in succession when the trigger is depressed. Most components are interchangeable between semi-auto and select fire rifles including magazines, sights, upper receiver, barrels and accessories.[19][20] The military M4 carbine typically uses a 14.5-inch (370 mm) barrel. Civilian rifles commonly have 16-inch or longer barrels to comply with the National Firearms Act.[21]In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[22] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[23] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

Those are MODIFICATIONS of the original DESIGN.

There is NOTHING in your citation supporting your Narrative that there is a version DESIGNED for civilian use.
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Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 10:19 am

Those are MODIFICATIONS of the original DESIGN.

There is NOTHING in your citation supporting your Narrative that there is a version DESIGNED for civilian use.
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From the citation you just quoted:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select

You should have read it.  

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 10:20 am

From the citation you just quoted:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select

You should have read it.

I did..

That says nothing about design.

But this part of your citation DOES.

Due to financial problems, and limitations in terms of manpower and production capacity, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design and the AR-15 trademark along with the ArmaLite AR-10 to Colt's Manufacturing Company in 1959.[4] Colt started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 in 1964.[5][6][7] 



Nod.


 

At this point, the OP, MCTrolly, is clinically dead ..

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 10:23 am

I did..

That says nothing about design.

But this part of your citation DOES.

Due to financial problems, and limitations in terms of manpower and production capacity, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design and the AR-15 trademark along with the ArmaLite AR-10 to Colt's Manufacturing Company in 1959.[4] Colt started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 in 1964.[5][6][7] 

Nod.

You mean the redesigned and modified version that was not for the battlefield. 

You certainly know of guns or mechanics.  

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 10:25 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 10:25 am

You mean the redesigned and modified version that was not for the battlefield. 

You certainly know of guns or mechanics.

Why the rewrite, Verbal?

Take your self inflicted beating like the dumb yapping little bitch you are....
 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 10:23 am

I did..

That says nothing about design.

But this part of your citation DOES.

Due to financial problems, and limitations in terms of manpower and production capacity, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design and the AR-15 trademark along with the ArmaLite AR-10 to Colt's Manufacturing Company in 1959.[4] Colt started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 in 1964.[5][6][7] 

Nod.

This is the lower receiver:


That was redesigned.

This is the bolt carrier:



That was redesigned

This is the trigger group.  That was redesigned:



That is everything that makes a rifle an automatic battlefield weapon.  Even the barrell twist was different.  Remember, the Sporter did not fire 5.56.  It fired .223.

The first difference is the higher pressure level of the 5.56 NATO cartridge which runs at approximately 58,000 psi. A 223 Remington is loaded to approximately 55,000 psi. The second and most important difference between the two is the fact that a 5.56 NATO chamber has a . 125” longer throat.

You increase the chance of jamming if you use the wrong ammo.  The 5.56 was designed for combat and the higher pressure needed to cycle the bolt in combat.