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Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:25 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:25 am

The sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If that were the case they would have just sold the M16.

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:27 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:27 am

The AR-15 Sporter-1 (SP1) is a semi-automatic variant of the AR-15 series of assault rifles. It was produced by Colt, the same manufacturer of the military M16 on the same production lines as the military rifle.[3]

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:28 am

The sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If that were the case they would have just sold the M16.

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:30 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:30 am

on the same production lines as the military rifle

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:26 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:26 am

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:24 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:24 am

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:22 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:22 am

 

You've lost, Loser.
 


 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:13 am

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:07 am

No...it does not..

I have already posted multiple citations saying the Sporter was designed for Civilians.

You have posted none that says it was designed for the battlefield.

You have posted nothing of what you claimed was modified.

The M16 fired a 5.56.  The Sporter fired a .223.  

The barrel twist was different.  

This will help you:

Comparison to military versions

The primary distinction between civilian semi-automatic rifles (no longer manufactured by Colt for civilian use) and military models is select fire. Military rifles were produced with firing modes, semi-automatic fire and either fully automatic fire mode or burst fire mode, in which the rifle fires three rounds in succession when the trigger is depressed. Most components are interchangeable between semi-auto and select fire rifles including magazines, sights, upper receiver, barrels and accessories.[19][20] The military M4 carbine typically uses a 14.5-inch (370 mm) barrel. Civilian rifles commonly have 16-inch or longer barrels to comply with the National Firearms Act.[21]In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[22] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[23] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15


 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:13 am

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 10:35 am

This is the lower receiver:


That was redesigned.

This is the bolt carrier:



That was redesigned

This is the trigger group.  That was redesigned:



That is everything that makes a rifle an automatic battlefield weapon.  Even the barrell twist was different.  Remember, the Sporter did not fire 5.56.  It fired .223.

The first difference is the higher pressure level of the 5.56 NATO cartridge which runs at approximately 58,000 psi. A 223 Remington is loaded to approximately 55,000 psi. The second and most important difference between the two is the fact that a 5.56 NATO chamber has a . 125” longer throat.

You increase the chance of jamming if you use the wrong ammo.  The 5.56 was designed for combat and the higher pressure needed to cycle the bolt in combat.  
 



 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:07 am

No...it does not..


 



 

 


 

The Sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If it was THAT would have been sold to the government instead of the M16.  Duh!
 

 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:30 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:30 am

on the same production lines as the military rifle

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:32 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:32 am

That is an unverifed statement from a chat forum.

But I have this that you can't answer:

The sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If that were the case they would not have needed the M16.

That is an unverifed statement from a chat forum.

The sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If that were the case they would not have needed the M16.

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:37 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:37 am

That is an unconfirmed statement on from a chatroom.

The eagle talon and the mitsubishi eclipse were built on the same production lines.  As one who owned both a various times they are two very different performing cars.

So what is your point?

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:38 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:38 am

No....really..

As opposed to what, Sheilagh?

 

DMA..

There is nothing to answer..

It's just another Dwarfstupid.

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:39 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:39 am

Due to modifications of the original platform design.

DMA...

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:26 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:26 am

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:24 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:24 am

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:22 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:22 am

 

You've lost, Loser.
 


 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:13 am

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:07 am

No...it does not..

I have already posted multiple citations saying the Sporter was designed for Civilians.

You have posted none that says it was designed for the battlefield.

You have posted nothing of what you claimed was modified.

The M16 fired a 5.56.  The Sporter fired a .223.  

The barrel twist was different.  

This will help you:

Comparison to military versions

The primary distinction between civilian semi-automatic rifles (no longer manufactured by Colt for civilian use) and military models is select fire. Military rifles were produced with firing modes, semi-automatic fire and either fully automatic fire mode or burst fire mode, in which the rifle fires three rounds in succession when the trigger is depressed. Most components are interchangeable between semi-auto and select fire rifles including magazines, sights, upper receiver, barrels and accessories.[19][20] The military M4 carbine typically uses a 14.5-inch (370 mm) barrel. Civilian rifles commonly have 16-inch or longer barrels to comply with the National Firearms Act.[21]In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[22] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[23] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15


 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:13 am

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 10:35 am

This is the lower receiver:


That was redesigned.

This is the bolt carrier:



That was redesigned

This is the trigger group.  That was redesigned:



That is everything that makes a rifle an automatic battlefield weapon.  Even the barrell twist was different.  Remember, the Sporter did not fire 5.56.  It fired .223.

The first difference is the higher pressure level of the 5.56 NATO cartridge which runs at approximately 58,000 psi. A 223 Remington is loaded to approximately 55,000 psi. The second and most important difference between the two is the fact that a 5.56 NATO chamber has a . 125” longer throat.

You increase the chance of jamming if you use the wrong ammo.  The 5.56 was designed for combat and the higher pressure needed to cycle the bolt in combat.  
 



 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:07 am

No...it does not..


 



 

 


 

The Sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If it was THAT would have been sold to the government instead of the M16.  Duh!
 

 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:40 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:40 am

It is unverified.  The 3 at the end of the fandom wiki leads to the footnotes.  When you click the 3rd one it goes to a site that is no longer active.  So, it is unverified. 

The sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If that were the case they would not have needed the M16.

The sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If that were the case they would not have needed the M16.

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:42 am

The Sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If it was THAT would have been sold to the government instead of the M16.  Duh!

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:45 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:45 am

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:42 am

The Sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If it was THAT would have been sold to the government instead of the M16.  Duh!

The AR-15 Sporter-1 (SP1) is a semi-automatic variant of the AR-15 series of assault rifles. It was produced by Colt, the same manufacturer of the military M16 on the same production lines as the military rifle.[3]

 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:44 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:44 am

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:40 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:40 am

It is unverified.  The 3 at the end of the fandom wiki leads to the footnotes.  When you click the 3rd one it goes to a site that is no longer active.  So, it is unverified. 

The sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If that were the case they would not have needed the M16.

The sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If that were the case they would not have needed the M16.

What do you call this, you oblivious **** brick?


This is how **** stupid you are, Dwarf.

 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:49 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:49 am

That is unverified.  The 3 at the end of the fandom wiki leads to the footnotes.  When you click the 3rd one it goes to a site that is no longer active.  So, it is unverified. 

The sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If that were the case they would not have needed the M 16

The sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If that were the case they would not have needed the M 16.

Why did the need the Sporter, on conversely the M16.  According to you they are both battlefield weapons.  According to you they are exactly the same.  So why did they need to design two separate weapons.  With extremely different functions and parts?  

Makes no sense from a business standpoint.

The sporter was not designed for the battlefield.  If that were the case they would not have needed the M16.

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:57 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:57 am

Answer the question, dumb ****..

What do you call this, you oblivious **** brick?

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 12:01 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:01 pm

A statement of fact. You are getting testy.  Happens when you are losing.  There would have been no need of two weapons designed for the battlefield.  Only one was. You keep up the wall of **** I will continue to post the complete redesign of the Sporter that made it so it was not a battlefield.

Whoever your influencers on this are completely wrong.

A statement of fact

Whoever your influencers on this are completely wrong.

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:03 pm

a statement contradicted by every citation, including your own, cannot reasonably be described as a "fact".

Yes, I said "reasonably"...

Every single citation including your own.

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:06 pm

No, my citations are quite clear.  

Now it is your turn to answer the questions OR NEVER EVER demand I answer one again.  

Why did Colt need two weapons designed field and sell only one to civilians?

What specifically was "modified" to make the Sporter a civilian weapon?

No, my citations are quite clear.  

Now it is your turn to answer the questions OR NEVER EVER demand I answer one again.  

Why did Colt need two weapons designed field and sell only one to civilians?

designed field