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Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 12:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:07 pm

Yes...they quite clearly, and unambiguously, contradict you on this point.

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:21 pm

No, my citations are quite clear.  

Now it is your turn to answer the questions OR NEVER EVER demand I answer one again.  

Why did Colt need two weapons designed field and sell only one to civilians?

What specifically was "modified" to make the Sporter a civilian weapon?

my citations are quite clear.  

Now it is your turn to answer the questions

OR NEVER EVER demand I answer one again.  

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:25 pm

Yes.....they ALL contradict you...

Not one supports you.

No...that's what I've been doing, **** idiot..
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You don't answer questions, Quimmy, and only occasionally respond.

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:31 pm

You are too ignorant of the subject to understand the level of curb stomping that you just suffered.  The Sportier is referred as a civilian rifle.  As I have demonstrated anything that made the M 16 a battlefield weapon was removed and redesigned.  Completely changing the function of the weapon.  Different barrel, lower receiver, bolt, trigger assemble, ammunition etc.

Next, if the Sporter was a battlefield weapon that would have been sold to the military instead of the M16 OR the M16 would have been sold to civilians.

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:31 pm

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:25 pm

Yes.....they ALL contradict you...

Not one supports you.

No...that's what I've been doing, **** idiot..
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You don't answer questions, Quimmy, and only occasionally respond.

You are too ignorant of the subject to understand the level of curb stomping that you just suffered.  The Sportier is referred as a civilian rifle.  As I have demonstrated anything that made the M 16 a battlefield weapon was removed and redesigned.  Completely changing the function of the weapon.  Different barrel, lower receiver, bolt, trigger assemble, ammunition etc.

Next, if the Sporter was a battlefield weapon that would have been sold to the military instead of the M16 OR the M16 would have been sold to civilians. 

 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 12:43 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:43 pm

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:31 pm

You are too ignorant of the subject to understand the level of curb stomping that you just suffered.  The Sportier is referred as a civilian rifle.  As I have demonstrated anything that made the M 16 a battlefield weapon was removed and redesigned.  Completely changing the function of the weapon.  Different barrel, lower receiver, bolt, trigger assemble, ammunition etc.

Next, if the Sporter was a battlefield weapon that would have been sold to the military instead of the M16 OR the M16 would have been sold to civilians.

If Colt wanted to sell a sporting semi-automatic rifle to civilians - of its own design - why pay Armalite for the DESIGN?


DMA.
 

 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:49 pm

They did not pay Armalite for the Design of the Sporter.  They paid Armalite for the design of the Armalite 10/15 in 1959, a battlefield automatic weapon.  The Colt Sporter did not come around until 1964.

But the point is moot.  The Sporter went out of production 40 years ago.  Today's semi autos are not related to it and are not designed for the battlefield, as the Sporter was not designed for the battlefield.

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:54 pm

Is it an AR15 Sporter?

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:59 pm

That has been explained to you numerous times.

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:01 pm

Is is designated AR15?

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:21 pm

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 12:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 12:07 pm

Yes...they quite clearly, and unambiguously, contradict you on this point.

No, my citations are quite clear.  

Now it is your turn to answer the questions OR NEVER EVER demand I answer one again.  

Why did Colt need two weapons designed field and sell only one to civilians?

What specifically was "modified" to make the Sporter a civilian weapon?

 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:03 pm

@Blackvegetable   you have unanswered questions.

Why did Colt need two weapons designed field and sell only one to civilians?

What specifically was "modified" to make the Sporter a civilian weapon?

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 1:05 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:05 pm

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:03 pm

@Blackvegetable   you have unanswered questions.

Why did Colt need two weapons designed field and sell only one to civilians?

I can't get the goat pepper spray...

What specifically was "modified" to make the Sporter a civilian weapon?

Who cares?

 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:07 pm

You should care.  Because the parts that modified (your word, the proper term is redesigned) changed the weapon from a battlefield weapon to a run of the mill semi automatic.

Because the parts that modified (your word, the proper term is redesigned) 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:07 pm

You should care.  Because the parts that modified (your word, the proper term is redesigned) changed the weapon from a battlefield weapon to a run of the mill semi automatic.

Why did Colt need two weapons designed field and sell only one to civilians?

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:11 pm

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:07 pm

You should care.  Because the parts that modified (your word, the proper term is redesigned) changed the weapon from a battlefield weapon to a run of the mill semi automatic.

Because the parts that modified (your word, the proper term is redesigned) 

No citation describes the weapon as redesigned thereby..
.they are consistently described as MODIFICATIONS, and the resulting weapon as a VARIANT...

 

 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 1:12 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:12 pm

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:07 pm

You should care.  Because the parts that modified (your word, the proper term is redesigned) changed the weapon from a battlefield weapon to a run of the mill semi automatic.

Why did Colt need two weapons designed field and sell only one to civilians?

WTF the goat pepper, Spray?

 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:15 pm

What was modified?  

Scrawny can't answer.

What was modified?  

Scrawny can't answer.

two weapons designed field 

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:25 pm

Not relevant. But thank you for stipulating to the distinction.

Find anyone who knows what this means Goat Pepper..

Read it...don't make me ask again.

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:11 pm

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:07 pm

You should care.  Because the parts that modified (your word, the proper term is redesigned) changed the weapon from a battlefield weapon to a run of the mill semi automatic.

Because the parts that modified (your word, the proper term is redesigned) 

No citation describes the weapon as redesigned thereby..
.they are consistently described as MODIFICATIONS, and the resulting weapon as a VARIANT...

 

 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:13 am

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 11:07 am

No...it does not..

I have already posted multiple citations saying the Sporter was designed for Civilians.

You have posted none that says it was designed for the battlefield.

You have posted nothing of what you claimed was modified.

The M16 fired a 5.56.  The Sporter fired a .223.  

The barrel twist was different.  

This will help you:

Comparison to military versions

The primary distinction between civilian semi-automatic rifles (no longer manufactured by Colt for civilian use) and military models is select fire. Military rifles were produced with firing modes, semi-automatic fire and either fully automatic fire mode or burst fire mode, in which the rifle fires three rounds in succession when the trigger is depressed. Most components are interchangeable between semi-auto and select fire rifles including magazines, sights, upper receiver, barrels and accessories.[19][20] The military M4 carbine typically uses a 14.5-inch (370 mm) barrel. Civilian rifles commonly have 16-inch or longer barrels to comply with the National Firearms Act.[21]In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[22] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[23] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

 

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:30 pm

I don't see the word modified.  They sure changed a hell of a lot parts.

Blackvegetable » 23 Apr 2021, 1:38 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:38 pm

Huey » 23 Apr 2021, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2021, 1:30 pm

I don't see the word modified.  They sure changed a hell of a lot parts.

Most components are interchangeable between semi-auto and select fire rifles including magazines, sights, upper receiver, barrels and accessories.[19][20] 

Why would most components be "interchangeable"?

from being readily converted 

Do you understand why "converted" is modified by "readily"?

Answer the first time and we're outta here...