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Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 10:40 am

I am always happy when you admit you were completely and utterly wrong.   Lol

Then be happy. I admit that I was "completely and utterly" wrong about remdesivir.

See how easy that is?  

Now, you try. Have you ever been wrong on this board? If so, about what?

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 10:44 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 10:44 am

Oh yes absolutely.   I said the vaccines were approved when authorized is the more accurate term.

Congratulations on being able to admit you were wrong. I look forward to you discussing this topic with more rigor.

Given that ivermectin is as effctive in vitro as the vaccines, AND already approved in vivo, the first rule of the hippocratic oath would demand that ivermectin be the first substance approved for testing. Wall street's profits were put ABOVE the hippocratic oath - and that is a scandal and a crime.

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 10:44 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 10:44 am

Let's go further

Did you lie when you said you were trans?

Let's just come clean....ok?

By the definition of trans that you who engage in gender fantasies use, I am ABSOLUTELY a transwoman, as saying so makes it so. Under your existing definition (unless you proffer and defend another), I have every right and all authority to declare it, and thereby be it, and be respected as it (except by bigots).

My claim fits YOUR parameters of authenticity.

If you have a different definition that you can defend, proffer it. Otherwise, transwomen have a right to be believed.

 
 

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 10:25 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 10:25 am

Did it work for trump?

HAHAHAHAHA

I never claimed it did or didn't , you goddamn lying asshole!!!  Your trying to change the narrative like the disingenuous ****, moonbatty, lying idiot you are.

All of the "drugs" in the article I cited got FDA emergency approval; after VERY LITTLE testing.  While Ivermectin has been tested, proven safe, effective and given to MILLIONS of patients all over the world with tremendously positive results.  

Ivermectin's efficacy is being ignored by big pharma and their bought and paid for FDA because they (big pharma) cannot make $BILLIONS in profits from it use.

But that's OK. You keep drinking the Kool-aid of big pharma and getting the gene therapy shot that maybe has no cat piss in it only aborted fetus cells.

Buffalo » 04 Jun 2021, 11:02 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 11:02 am

I never claimed it did or didn't , you goddamn lying asshole!!!  Your trying to change the narrative like the disingenuous ****, moonbatty, lying idiot you are.

All of the "drugs" in the article I cited got FDA emergency approval; after VERY LITTLE testing.  While Ivermectin has been tested, proven safe, effective and given to MILLIONS of patients all over the world with tremendously positive results.  

Ivermectin's efficacy is being ignored by big pharma and their bought and paid for FDA because they (big pharma) cannot make $BILLIONS in profits from it use.

But that's OK. You keep drinking the Kool-aid of big pharma and getting the gene therapy shot that maybe has no cat piss in it only aborted fetus cells.

If the only vile substance in the "vaccines" were fetal cells, that would be a major improvement.

The flies - they're gonna be a droppin.

Buffalo » 31 May 2021, 11:50 pm » wrote: ↑

31 May 2021, 11:50 pm

COVID deaths plunge after major world city introduces ivermectin
Authorities create home-treatment-kit for 22 million-strong populationA citywide initiative in Mexico City to prescribe ivermectin to COVID-19 patients resulted in a plunge in hospitalizations and deaths, two studies found.

Hospitalizations were down by as much as 76%, according to research by the Mexican Digital Agency for Public Innovation, Mexico's Ministry of Health and the Mexican Social Security Institute, according to a TrialSiteNews report highlighted by LifeSiteNews.

More:

https://www.wnd.com/2021/05/covid-death ... 5B-MD5-%5D

Bump.

sootedupCyndi » 03 Jun 2021, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jun 2021, 3:43 pm

I dont want to talk about that.. I'm waitin for you to analyze another nut.. Abat? two of us are waiting. whats takin so long.. you already did me.

I already told you that Dutch posed the question about psych evals and I offered him the time for a constructive discussion where I would provide a brief but all encompassing summary of the DSM and my perspective on mental health conditions and disorders.  Unless I missed it, and my apologies if I did, he did not respond. 

And I'm blanking on how I did you?. Was it something more comprehensive than - wild in the head, wild in the bed?
 

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 11:11 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 11:11 am

Fact

Ivermectin has not been proven safe for the treatment of covid according to the fda

Deny that

That is an uneducated challenge. Ivermectin has been approved as safe in vivo - that is the end of approvals for ivermectin as regards safety. It is fully approved.

The do not "reapprove" for every use. The question of safe in vivo is already answered - it is FDA approved.  As is the question of effective in vitro. The only remaining question is effectiveness in vivo. Safety in vivo is established, and will not be re-established every time a new effectiveness is found. You are conflating - AGAIN.

I thought we agreed that you would start applying more rigor, when I last schooled you?
 
 

IkeBana » 04 Jun 2021, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 11:12 am

I already told you that Dutch posed the question about psych evals and I offered him the time for a constructive discussion where I would provide a brief but all encompassing summary of the DSM and my perspective on mental health conditions and disorders.  Unless I missed it, and my apologies if I did, he did not respond. 

And I'm blanking on how I did you?. Was it something more comprehensive than - wild in the head, wild in the bed?

You clown.. ha ha ha ha. I meant analyze me.. LOL  Ok... I'll play along then.
You were drunk and just don't remember.  

Cannonpointer » 04 Jun 2021, 11:18 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 11:18 am

That is an uneducated challenge. Ivermectin has been approved as safe in vivo - that is the end of approvals for ivermectin as regards safety. It is fully approved.

 

You can kill yourself with an overdose of ivermectin.  Not any more safe than oxy. 

The point is, it isn't if it's safe,, the point is...is it an effective anti-viral drug. The answer is no.  The action of ivermectin is to disrupt certain neurotransmitter systems in worms and other parasites that causes death.  Viruses are not living things, they don't have a nervous system.

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 11:11 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 11:11 am

Fact

Ivermectin has not been proven safe for the treatment of covid according to the fda

Deny that

The FDA is in the pocket of big pharma and they are going to do what big pharma wants.  Big pharma does not want Ivermectin approved because it is a cheap, safe, effective cure for kung flu and they cannot profit $BILLIONS from its use.

Just like cancer, the money is in the expensive, experimental treatments and not the cure. 

Has Ivermectin been proven unsafe and ineffective? DENT THAT, asshole!!!
WHEN INDIA STOPPED PRESCRIBING IVERMECTIN AND STARTED VACCINATING THE DEATHS SHOT UP






Back in January, all talk was about Ivermectin, a cheap and effective remedy being used in India.However, the attention went onto the vaccine and since then the deaths have gone up and up and there are indications this might be repeated elsewhere. Doctor Believes Ivermectin Drug Can Help India Stop Covid-19 Second Wave

• Dr Surya Kant Tripathi, Head, Respiratory Medicine Department at King George Medical University in Lucknow believes this drug could help take control over the novel coronavirus
• Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug that has been beneficial in treating various kinds of tropical diseases, including onchocerciasis, helminthiases, and scabies
• The creators of the drug, Omura and Campbell were even awarded the Nobel Prize for physiology and medicine in 2015
• Addressing the lack of available clinical data on Ivermectin, Kant states that around 8 trials out of the total 66 trials are currently underway in India, with none showing any major side effects

 HOW TO KILL A CURE: THE WAR ON IVERMECTIN
Covid Candy,4 April, 2021 About six weeks ago, the WHO promised to issue updated guidance about ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug that many believe is a panacea for COVID-19. “This drug has broad spectrum activity,” they admitted, “and this is why it can be used at the early stage of the disease, trying to prevent the severe disease,” but of course, they said, as they have said from the start, more studies are needed to determine if it actually works. “We need more clinical trials.” That was their guidance six months ago, that was their guidance six weeks ago, and that is the same **** they regurgitated when they finally issued their updated guidance Wednesday, on the heels of some Philippines-specific guidance WHO had issued the very day before, serving to muddy those murky waters.

For weeks, health care professionals, ivermectin advocates and early treatment activists had lobbied the organization to #BeBraveWHO, but some of those people are now realizing that it was not cowardice driving these acts, but rampant, unchecked corruption. Others take the more generous view that the WHO was only negligent issuing counter-productive guidance from the belated start of the pandemic, when they advised against travel restrictions, asserted that there was no evidence for human-to-human transmission, insisted there was no evidence for asymptomatic transmission and that it was rare before walking that back, played dumb about the implications of what “aerosolized” means, adamantly denied that the virus is airborne, finally admitted the virus might be aerosolized and airborne, but couched it in mealy-mouthed, weaselly wording, saying they’re “open to ’emerging’ evidence on modes of transmission,” said that masks “create a false sense of security” and advised against their use for the general population before recommending in favor of mass-masking, and demanded that people refrain from even wondering about the origin of the virus aloud, saying that the potential “stigma” was actually “more dangerous than the virus itself“.


Full article:

https://seemorerocks.is/when-india-stop ... s-shot-up/


How long are they going to say that more testing is reguired when over a goddamn year has gone by and  they are still injecting subject with the experimental gene concoctions?
 

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 11:41 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 11:41 am

Cite where I gave my definition of transgender
 

No. I have already asked you to proffer a definition. You refuse, so I will work with what is available.

I am working with the only available definition from those who insist that trans claims must be respected.

If you do not feel that trans claims should be respected, say so. I you feel they should be, then walk your talk and respect min.

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 11:43 am

It is NOT APPROVED FOR THE TREATMENT OF COVID
 

As I never said it was, you have refuted your own *** gas.

IkeBana » 04 Jun 2021, 11:49 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 11:49 am

You can kill yourself with an overdose of ivermectin.  Not any more safe than oxy. 

You can kill yourself with an overdose of water. Not any more safe than oxy.

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 12:25 pm

I will respect your claims when I know what you are
 

Thank you.

I am a transwoman.

I'm glad this unpleasantness is behind us, and you will respect my status in future.
 

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 11:54 am

Ivermectin HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN SAFE AND EFFECTIVE FOR TREATMENT OF COVID ACCORDING TO THE FDA.

This is why trump never took it when he got covid.

Dont take any FDA meds.  Only inject yourself with cat piss.  I think that is a brillant treatment plan.  Lol

Yes it has been proven safe and effective for the treatment of the wuhan flu, just not by your precious corrupt, bought and paid for by big pharma FDA.

Ivermectin is cheap, safe effective and readily available but would severely hurt big pharma's profits if put in wide use. THAT is the truth of the matter!!!

IkeBana » 04 Jun 2021, 11:49 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 11:49 am

You can kill yourself with an overdose of ivermectin.  Not any more safe than oxy. 

The point is, it isn't if it's safe,, the point is...is it an effective anti-viral drug. The answer is no.  The action of ivermectin is to disrupt certain neurotransmitter systems in worms and other parasites that causes death.  Viruses are not living things, they don't have a nervous system.

Thank you for that information, doctor. I have forwarded your expert testimony to the two dozen nations currently using Ivermectin as a primary response to covid. I am certain they will be contacting you for further information. Please get your research ready for mailing - lives depend on it.

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 12:27 pm

Then I must assume you lied when you said you are a gay man

Do you deny that you said you are a gay man?

First, when I said I was a gay man, it was to grant YOUR thesis, merely for the purpose of argument.

But even if I had meant it, that would not comment on my status as a transwoman. Every trans person has their own journey to disclosure. My soul sister Caitlyn Jenner did not come out trans until her sixties.

No one has to "prove" themselves as a trans person. Insisting that they do is bigotry.
 
 

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 12:33 pm

So you lied.

When you say

" I am a ......"  

It may not be what you really are

You are either a gay man or a former gay man.

Which is it?  Your credibility is on the line

No, your own credibility is on the line. You are the one obsessed with my trans-status.

From the first time I came out trans, up until right now, I have been steadfast and dignified in my identity as a transwoman. You have been insulting, bigoted, and oddly fascinated with my personal sexual identity.

Do you, or do you not, believe that transpeople have a right to be respected as their claimed gender?

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 12:33 pm

So you lied.

When you say

" I am a ......"  

It may not be what you really are

You are either a gay man or a former gay man.

Which is it?  Your credibility is on the line

He's got you SO confused. snicker.    

Vegasgiants » 04 Jun 2021, 12:38 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jun 2021, 12:38 pm

I am trying to determine if you are a liar or not

Then the answer is no. You do NOT respect the claims of transpeople - you consider such claims open to dispute.

Thank you.