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Blackvegetable » 18 Jul 2021, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 12:28 pm

That stuff is crap.

Says an uninformed *** idiot that knows nothing except what he has been **** with.  
Big Pharma uses Big Tobacco's strategy to defeat Ivermectin
By Justus R. Hope, MD


Apr 12, 2021 Updated Apr 13, 2021

Blurring or confusing the facts as a tactic proved remarkably effective. But by far, the craftiest ruse was for the Tobacco Industry to pretend to embrace the research and set up their own studies. Because by controlling the study design, they could control the outcome. The same strategy is now used against the public in this pandemic.

Their first victim was Hydroxychloroquine, which proved easy to discredit given that Donald Trump sounded unhinged in his praise for the drug. Later studies seemed to reinforce the belief that HCQ was ineffective; however when academic misconduct was found, it threatened to expose the effort. Big Pharma successfully distanced itself when the fraudulent articles were retracted and blamed on lone scientists acting by themselves.

Dr. Tess Lawrie is a highly-respected and independent research consultant to the World Health Organization and NHS. Her work is routinely relied upon in the formation of International Practice Guidelines. She has found HCQ to have an effect against the coronavirus. Most tellingly, when Dr. Tess Lawrie performed her independent review of the data on Ivermectin, she removed the Fonseca study, which purported to show no benefit against COVID with Ivermectin use. 

Dr. Lawrie explained, “They (The Fonseca Group) didn’t find that much of a difference between Ivermectin and the control arm.  But the control arm received HCQ. So basically, there’s a comparison between two fairly active treatments.” Dr. Lawrie explained that there were many reasons to consider HCQ active against the virus.  Thus, two patient groups were compared in Fonseca, both of which received effective drugs against COVID-19, and this was not considered a valid controlled trial of Ivermectin. Therefore the study was eliminated from the meta-analysis.

https://youtu.be/D2ju5v4TAaQ 

Doctors across the nation continue to employ both drugs in an antiviral cocktail comprised of HCQ, Ivermectin, Zinc and Vitamin D. In particular, former Harvard professor and NIH researcher Dr. George Fareed of the Imperial Valley has published on this approach and enjoyed remarkable success. 

https://www.thedesertreview.com/health/ ... e98c3.html

He and his associate, Dr. Brian Tyson, have treated over 5,000 COVID-19 patients with only two deaths. Dr. Fareed pioneered the first HIV clinic in Brawley, California, and notes that the cocktail approach was necessary and became the standard of care in such conditions as HIV and HCV. He feels it is also essential with COVID-19. 

Today we know that the earlier Ivermectin is given, the lower the death rate. We learned in the 1950s that the more cigarettes one smoked, and the longer they smoked, the higher the death rate. We now have 50 studies all showing Ivermectin's benefits across all stages of COVID-19, with The World Health Organization finding an average of 81% decreased mortality. 

 Merck and the FDA came out against Ivermectin only after the US government contributed $356 million to Merck to develop MK-7110, an anti-COVID drug. This occurred after Merck purchased the rights to MK-7110 for $425 million in a deal announced on December 23, 2020. The chances of this drug receiving approval by the FDA are very high.

The chances of Ivermectin successfully competing against MK-7110, if Ivermectin is also approved, are also high. It is, therefore, logical that a multi-billion dollar industry will use its immense lobbying, media, and advertising power to prevent this. The smoking gun here is that Merck was the original developer of Ivermectin, but now that their old drug is generic and no longer profitable, it is being tossed under the proverbial bus.

Obfuscation and the "offer-to-fund-the-research" through a time-honored and proven strategy of manipulation is once again proving remarkably effective in swaying public opinion.

We have seen this movie before with Big Tobacco. 

We already know how it ends. We have 50 studies, all showing Ivermectin's life-saving benefits. We do not need 50 more to tell that Ivermectin prevents COVID death and should be adopted immediately. The science is clear based upon numerous meta-analyses already performed by world-class and respected scientists Dr. Tess Lawrie, Dr. Andrew Hill, and Dr. Pierre Kory. 

This brings me to the Washington Post's April 8, 2021 article which announced that the government planned to do their own Ivermectin study.

 Thanks, but no thanks, to the NIH, in their magnanimous offer to conduct more "research." We already know what they will find. 

​​​​​​​https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 1bf9e.html
 

Buffalo » 18 Jul 2021, 2:35 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 2:35 pm

Says an uninformed *** idiot that knows nothing except what he has been **** with.  
Big Pharma uses Big Tobacco's strategy to defeat Ivermectin
By Justus R. Hope, MD

Apr 12, 2021 Updated Apr 13, 2021

Blurring or confusing the facts as a tactic proved remarkably effective. But by far, the craftiest ruse was for the Tobacco Industry to pretend to embrace the research and set up their own studies. Because by controlling the study design, they could control the outcome. The same strategy is now used against the public in this pandemic.

Their first victim was Hydroxychloroquine, which proved easy to discredit given that Donald Trump sounded unhinged in his praise for the drug. Later studies seemed to reinforce the belief that HCQ was ineffective; however when academic misconduct was found, it threatened to expose the effort. Big Pharma successfully distanced itself when the fraudulent articles were retracted and blamed on lone scientists acting by themselves.

Dr. Tess Lawrie is a highly-respected and independent research consultant to the World Health Organization and NHS. Her work is routinely relied upon in the formation of International Practice Guidelines. She has found HCQ to have an effect against the coronavirus. Most tellingly, when Dr. Tess Lawrie performed her independent review of the data on Ivermectin, she removed the Fonseca study, which purported to show no benefit against COVID with Ivermectin use. 

Dr. Lawrie explained, “They (The Fonseca Group) didn’t find that much of a difference between Ivermectin and the control arm.  But the control arm received HCQ. So basically, there’s a comparison between two fairly active treatments.” Dr. Lawrie explained that there were many reasons to consider HCQ active against the virus.  Thus, two patient groups were compared in Fonseca, both of which received effective drugs against COVID-19, and this was not considered a valid controlled trial of Ivermectin. Therefore the study was eliminated from the meta-analysis.

https://youtu.be/D2ju5v4TAaQ 

Doctors across the nation continue to employ both drugs in an antiviral cocktail comprised of HCQ, Ivermectin, Zinc and Vitamin D. In particular, former Harvard professor and NIH researcher Dr. George Fareed of the Imperial Valley has published on this approach and enjoyed remarkable success. 

https://www.thedesertreview.com/health/ ... e98c3.html

He and his associate, Dr. Brian Tyson, have treated over 5,000 COVID-19 patients with only two deaths. Dr. Fareed pioneered the first HIV clinic in Brawley, California, and notes that the cocktail approach was necessary and became the standard of care in such conditions as HIV and HCV. He feels it is also essential with COVID-19. 

Today we know that the earlier Ivermectin is given, the lower the death rate. We learned in the 1950s that the more cigarettes one smoked, and the longer they smoked, the higher the death rate. We now have 50 studies all showing Ivermectin's benefits across all stages of COVID-19, with The World Health Organization finding an average of 81% decreased mortality. 

 Merck and the FDA came out against Ivermectin only after the US government contributed $356 million to Merck to develop MK-7110, an anti-COVID drug. This occurred after Merck purchased the rights to MK-7110 for $425 million in a deal announced on December 23, 2020. The chances of this drug receiving approval by the FDA are very high.

The chances of Ivermectin successfully competing against MK-7110, if Ivermectin is also approved, are also high. It is, therefore, logical that a multi-billion dollar industry will use its immense lobbying, media, and advertising power to prevent this. The smoking gun here is that Merck was the original developer of Ivermectin, but now that their old drug is generic and no longer profitable, it is being tossed under the proverbial bus.

Obfuscation and the "offer-to-fund-the-research" through a time-honored and proven strategy of manipulation is once again proving remarkably effective in swaying public opinion.

We have seen this movie before with Big Tobacco. 

We already know how it ends. We have 50 studies, all showing Ivermectin's life-saving benefits. We do not need 50 more to tell that Ivermectin prevents COVID death and should be adopted immediately. The science is clear based upon numerous meta-analyses already performed by world-class and respected scientists Dr. Tess Lawrie, Dr. Andrew Hill, and Dr. Pierre Kory. 

This brings me to the Washington Post's April 8, 2021 article which announced that the government planned to do their own Ivermectin study.

 Thanks, but no thanks, to the NIH, in their magnanimous offer to conduct more "research." We already know what they will find. 

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 1bf9e.html

Letter to the editor..

​​​​​​​You're a **** idiot, Buff..
 

Vegasgiants » 18 Jul 2021, 2:37 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 2:37 pm

What's clear is trump would not take ivermectin 
 

He was lied to by doctors that are in the pockets of big pharma.  Just like they are lying to you and other **** moonbat sheople about Ivermectin's ability to prevent the kung flu AND cure it.

For Second Week in a Row: More COVID-19 Vaccination Deaths than COVID-19 Deaths in the US According to CDC and VAERS Websites



By Jim Hoft



Published July 17, 2021 at 7:20am


The VAERS website released its weekly numbers on Friday.


There are now 11,140 reported deaths from the COVID vaccine in the United States.


This is up from 9,125 reported deaths from the COVID-19 vaccinations total from last week.


Last Week: There were 2,092 deaths from the COVID Vaccines — According to the CDC-linked VAERS website.


That means there were 174 more Covid vaccine deaths in the United States last week than Covid deaths in the United States last week.


Why is this not making headlines?


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/0 ... -websites/


Unfortunately, I don't believe we've seen anything like what will ultimately happen with the so called vaccine, it ain't a vaccine.

I want every moonbat to get the “vaccine.”

Atomicblonde » 18 Jul 2021, 10:36 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 10:36 am

but it works.

Maybe in a petrie dish.

It's not an anti-viral, it's an anti-parasitic.
 
 

Buffalo » 18 Jul 2021, 3:07 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 3:07 pm

He was lied to by doctors that are in the pockets of big pharma.  Just like they are lying to you and other **** moonbat sheople about Ivermectin's ability to prevent the kung flu AND cure it.

Moonbat is you. Yeh...sure, American pharmaceutical companies and American physicians are in cahoots and participants in a worldwide conspiracy to kill 600,000 American citizens who would have voted for Trump and he still would have lost the election by 6,400,000 votes.

Everything is a Q-Anon conspiracy with you...moonbatty as it gets.
 

Buffalo » 28 Jun 2021, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2021, 12:17 pm

I am 100% convinced that Ivermectin works....
 

Well all right then...let's get the mRMA covid vaccines off the market because racist, misogynistic pig buffy is 100% convinced ivermectin works on viruses.  
 

Buffalo » 18 Jul 2021, 2:35 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 2:35 pm

Big Pharma uses Big Tobacco's strategy to defeat Ivermectin
By Justus R. Hope, MD

WOW!!!  Justus R. Hope, MD says Ivermectin works on viruses.  That changes everything!   
 That Justus R. Hope, MD, boy...he wrote a book and everything!  Reckon what his real name is and why he doesn't use it?
 

Buffalo » 31 May 2021, 11:50 pm » wrote: ↑

31 May 2021, 11:50 pm

COVID deaths plunge after major world city introduces ivermectin
Authorities create home-treatment-kit for 22 million-strong populationA citywide initiative in Mexico City to prescribe ivermectin to COVID-19 patients resulted in a plunge in hospitalizations and deaths, two studies found.

Hospitalizations were down by as much as 76%, according to research by the Mexican Digital Agency for Public Innovation, Mexico's Ministry of Health and the Mexican Social Security Institute, according to a TrialSiteNews report highlighted by LifeSiteNews.

More:

https://www.wnd.com/2021/05/covid-death ... 5B-MD5-%5D
 

 

Yes, it does.  Ivermectin is a medication everyone should have access to to use prophylactically or as treatment..  For more info I recommend Dr. Bret Weinstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp_ZR-o-eXs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSWjl-JOIqs

Adam60z » 18 Jul 2021, 4:11 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 4:11 pm

Yes, it does.  Ivermectin is a medication everyone should have access to to use prophylactically or as treatment..  For more info I recommend Dr. Bret Weinstein.

Who is a PhD biologist, not a physician.
 

Adam60z » 18 Jul 2021, 4:11 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 4:11 pm

Yes, it does.  Ivermectin is a medication everyone should have access to to use prophylactically or as treatment..  For more info I recommend Dr. Bret Weinstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp_ZR-o-eXs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSWjl-JOIqs

I looked it up on one of my secret websites .. it's a site where all averse side effects are reported on drugs by patients.. people who were so hurt by drugs... they felt the need to post it..
 some drugs.....  have bad side effects in the thousands... this drug had ONE. I kid you not...     it's an old drug....

now go click this drug.dare you to compare the difference
https://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19810&name=PRILOSEC

Vegasgiants » 18 Jul 2021, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 4:20 pm

Hes not even a medical doctor?

He's a PhD evolutionary biologist with a **** opinion.

If we want to discuss covid-19 vaccines and we don’t trust American physicians anymore because they are co-conslirators with the Chinese Communist party in the strategic release of covid-19 all over the world to steal the election from Donald Trump...I would suggest we seek out biochemist Jennifer Doudna, PhD, Nobel Prize winner and the developer of CRISPER-CAS9 gene splicing  technology...the agent that is the primary reason why we have the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines,  not some dopey libertarian biologist with a podcast.

 
 

https://www.askapatient.com/viewrating. ... STROMECTOL
look it up.. click the link ONE
patients reports..
then go to P and click Prilosec... ha ha ha.

sootedupCyndi » 18 Jul 2021, 5:00 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 5:00 pm

https://www.askapatient.com/viewrating. ... STROMECTOL
look it up.. click the link ONE
patients reports..
then go to P and click Prilosec... ha ha ha.

HAAAAHAHAH!  I don't give a **** in your MAGA hat what some neurotic schmuck thinks ivermectin did for him/her.
 
 

IkeBana » 18 Jul 2021, 5:10 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 5:10 pm

HAAAAHAHAH!  I don't give a **** in your MAGA hat what some neurotic schmuck thinks ivermectin did for him/her.

ha ha ha  you triggered? I gave a site that has been around for years.... patients report their side effects.. This is THE site.. I went to...when I ended up in the ER over a med....  NOT ivermectin...  gawd damn ,  you cant take it.. don't stroke out Mr. ike.     there is nothing there on his drug..one
go check this beauty out ....Bactrim... get a load of that one.. clown.

GeorgeWashington » 18 Jul 2021, 10:00 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 10:00 am

Ivermectin inhibits viral replication in vitro and in vivo.  Do you disagree?

The only information provided here referred to some in vitro testing done in the UK?  I may be wrong about the location.  Yours is the first mention of any in vivo testing that I have seen.  Gotta link?  But so what?  Somewhere somebody did a trial with monkeys, rats, and/or innocent furry little bunnies?  So what?

Show me the double blind testing on human beings and maybe we can talk about it. 
 
 

"Show me the double blind testing on human beings and maybe we can talk about it. "
There are many studies Big Pharma is trying to suppress about ivermectin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-4mNFH2dbU

Adam60z » 18 Jul 2021, 10:51 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 10:51 pm

"Show me the double blind testing on human beings and maybe we can talk about it. "
There are many studies Big Pharma is trying to suppress about ivermectin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-4mNFH2dbU

Which is why some asshole on youtube has the 411 on it...

GHETTOBLASTER » 02 Jul 2021, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2021, 12:19 pm

Risk versus reward is the primary consideration...right..?
The risk of death / damage from CV19 is already extremely low.
Like everyone else, if your child has risk factors that compromise the usual amount of risk, then you weigh your odds.
A statistic that is impossible to track are the millions of people [like me, members of my family and other people I know] who were able to catch CV19 and beat it on our own with our natural defenses.
If you add us to the "survivability stats"..then the risk factor looks several times lower than what the "official stats" show.
What a shame to subject any child to the vaccine where the risk of going unvaccinated is so microscopically low.

My niece had it BEFORE is supposedly showed up here. Every last symptom. Beat it, but suffered mightily. Her husband beat it handily. Months later, they started talking about she. She was all like, hey - that's the **** I had.

I think china was a bit player, and the cdc is the culprit. They were the ones who tried and failed to do ebola, because sierra leone **** them in the *** with colloidal silver.

Blackvegetable » 18 Jul 2021, 10:54 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2021, 10:54 pm

Which is why some asshole on youtube has the 411 on it...

Your masters in big pharma control the mainstream outlets, fruit cake.