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The latest in covidiocracy:

Another Anti-Vaccination Media Host Dies of Covid
Flight full of anti-maskers were stuck in Cancun
DeSantis admits he let up to 1 million COVID tests expire as his surgeon general says ‘don’t get tested’ 
Rona DeSantis was missing for weeks. Now he’s back and he seems … unwell
Kelly Ernby’s lack of vaccine ‘was problem’ in her death, says husband | The Independent
'The Jews are behind this': Big GOP donor pushes antisemitic theory that vaccines are an 'extermination' plot 
Glenn Beck announces he has COVID-19 while doing commercials for diet bars
'We are playing with fire': European health officials blast CDC's revised COVID isolation guidelines
Right-Wing Podcaster Reportedly On Ventilator For COVID After Attending Rally | HuffPost Latest News
Fauci says he was 'stunned' by boos from Trump supporters over booster revelation
Dozens at QAnon conference fall ill, swear it was an anthrax attack—not COVID-19

SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN DEPT.:

Sarah Palin says she’ll get Covid vaccine ‘over my dead body’ | Sarah Palin | The Guardian
Candace Owens Says She'll Die Before Getting Vaccinated
 

B.See » 09 Jan 2022, 6:40 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 6:40 am

The latest in covidiocracy:

Another Anti-Vaccination Media Host Dies of Covid
Flight full of anti-maskers were stuck in Cancun
DeSantis admits he let up to 1 million COVID tests expire as his surgeon general says ‘don’t get tested’ 
Rona DeSantis was missing for weeks. Now he’s back and he seems … unwell
Kelly Ernby’s lack of vaccine ‘was problem’ in her death, says husband | The Independent
'The Jews are behind this': Big GOP donor pushes antisemitic theory that vaccines are an 'extermination' plot 
Glenn Beck announces he has COVID-19 while doing commercials for diet bars
'We are playing with fire': European health officials blast CDC's revised COVID isolation guidelines
Right-Wing Podcaster Reportedly On Ventilator For COVID After Attending Rally | HuffPost Latest News
Fauci says he was 'stunned' by boos from Trump supporters over booster revelation
Dozens at QAnon conference fall ill, swear it was an anthrax attack—not COVID-19

SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN DEPT.:

Sarah Palin says she’ll get Covid vaccine ‘over my dead body’ | Sarah Palin | The Guardian
Candace Owens Says She'll Die Before Getting Vaccinated

Your OCD must be tiring.

DeezerShoove » 27 Sep 2021, 6:55 am » wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2021, 6:55 am

Too much blather from talking heads.
I don't participate.

When are you going head-to-head with one of your challengers, quaky?

 

The latest in coronavirus news:

COVID cases in Minnesota, vaccinated vs. unvaccinated
Mayo Clinic fires 700 unvaccinated employees — about 1% of its workforce - CBS News
L.A. County sets new daily record with 45,000 coronavirus cases - Los Angeles Times
Brazil has 24,382 cases of coronavirus in 24 hours, 44 COVID-19 deaths -ministry | Reuters
Ocasio-Cortez tests positive for breakthrough COVID-19 case | TheHill

AND:

Jen Psaki Shocks FOX News Hack Peter Doocy with Trump's Deadly Record of COVID Mismanagement

MEANWHILE in **** Bizarro world:

Horse paste enthusiasts are threatening hospital workers. Maybe don't go to the hospital then?
Brazil health regulator asks Bolsonaro to retract criticism over vaccines | Reuters
Police Chief Told Officers Where To Get Fake COVID-19 Vaccination Cards | HuffPost Latest News
Another QAnon anti-vaxxer has died of COVID-19. Even from her hospital bed, she swore it was a hoax

In the latest COVIDIOCRACY, the conservative led SCOTUS further enables the Trump/GOP death cult by blocking vaccine mandates for many:

The Supreme Court Just Spit in the Face of Joe Biden and the American Public

When the Supreme Court blocked OSHA’s vaccine-or-test mandate on Thursday while upholding the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services’ vaccine requirement for all health workers, you might think this was a split decision with the justices just calling balls and strikes. You’d be dead wrong.

This was a hyper-partisan decision that will eviscerate President Biden’s COVID-19 strategy.First let’s discuss just how hypocritical the six conservative justices are. The court insists on some of the strictest COVID-19 policy rules in the nation. All attorneys must take a PCR test and wear N95 or KN95 masks in court. But what they demand for themselves they deny to a construction or assembly worker. In other words, the most privileged can protect themselves, but they would deny that protection to everyday workers. 

The Supreme Court’s decision will directly result in thousands of preventable deaths.

The Supreme Court Had No Legal Reason to Block Biden’s Workplace Vaccine RulesSo it made one up.

The hidden agenda behind the attack on Biden’s vaccine mandates.

 
 

MEANWHILE elsewhere in **** Bizarro World:

Prominent QAnon anti-vaxxer who called for Anthony Fauci’s execution dies of COVID-19 - Alternet.org
Conservative Activist Dies of COVID Complications After Attending Anti-Vax ‘Symposium’
MAGA Anti-Vaxxers Taking Meds for Trans Women, Drinking Urine, Examining KKK Guts and Neo-Nazi ***
Marjorie Taylor Greene rages about 'racist' Covid therapy: 'You only get it if your skin color is not white'
Woman Blames Pandemic On 'You Chinese People' At Grocery Store: VIDEO - Comic Sands
‘A Menace to Public Health’: Doctors Demand Spotify Puts an End to Covid Lies on ‘Joe Rogan Experience’
Covid news: Chilling anti-vaxxer 'army' vows to wage 'war' and target schools | UK | News | Express.co.uk
Florida sent scarce covid therapy to a private clinic before much larger hospital | Miami Herald
Anti-vaxxer Glenn Beck ‘disturbed’ after getting Covid again and the internet just can’t with him / Queerty
Top Trump aide: Vaccinating children is 'child abuse at a minimum and murder in some cases' - Alternet.org

 
 

In coronavirus news some GOOD news:

COVID-19 Vaccines Saved More Than 240,000 Lives in US: Research
Quietly and over some objections, a national digital vaccine card has emerged
U.S. households can order 4 free COVID-19 tests starting Jan. 19 - White House
Andrew Neil savages anti-vaxxers with sobering chart showing 'overwhelming evidence'

meanwhile the pandemic rages on:

Covid Deaths Begin To Rise In Los Angeles; Wave Believed Tied To Beginning Of December Omicron Case Surge
SW MO COVID situation (from Hospital press releases)
Covid news: 'They made a choice not to have vaccine!' Grieving father fury at anti-vaxxers | UK | News | 
Computer games boss, 51, dies from Covid because he was too scared of needles to get life-saving jab



 
 

AND, from reich-wing **** BIZARRO world:

Anti-vax leader urges people to drink their urine instead of get vaccine in latest wild conspiracy | The Independent
Parody is dead: Fox News put out a cocktail guide for urine
Glenn Beck said he didn’t need the vaccine – now he’s very sick with COVID and taking ivermectin | Salon.com
Tucker Claims White People Denied Monoclonal Antibodies: VIDEO - Comic Sands
Psaki demolishes Doocy with stats as he tries to claim Covid now an illness of the vaccinated
A bad statement, a horrible edit, and a monstrous claim that is now Republican 'reality'
Doctor has medical license suspended after writing COVID vaccines are associated with reproductive harm 
A Nurse Calls Out An 'Anti-Vaxxer' Who Led A Rally Weeks After She Gave Him His Second Dose - Narcity
 

B.See » 15 Jan 2022, 5:53 am » wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2022, 5:53 am

AND, from reich-wing **** BIZARRO world:


Parody is dead: Fox News put out a cocktail guide for urine
 

Yikes...
 

B.See » 14 Jan 2022, 6:05 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2022, 6:05 am

In the latest COVIDIOCRACY, the conservative led SCOTUS further enables the Trump/GOP death cult by blocking vaccine mandates for many:

 

You obviously didn't read the writ of the SCOTUS.  It merely said the President cannot use executive order as an end-around to circumvent what it cannot or does not attempt to achieve through the legislative process and under the direction of officials elected by The People.  Indeed the legislative body has spoken on the matter on numerous occasions and at every opportunity did not decide to enact such Draconian mandates.  Nor can the Executive through its authority granted by the Congress to oversee Agency operations expand an Agencies limited authority as directed by Congress using cracks in the Agency authorization's language to override both the legislative process and the authority expressly reserved to the states in the US Constitution.  The POTUS has no ability to presume Congress or the States "hide elephants in mouse holes".  Such government interference must be traceable back through a chain of authority which leads directly back to The People so they may seek remedy should they so choose.

 

Essentially what the supreme court ruled was Biden (or any other POTUS) cannot use executive orders to circumvent the Legislative Process and the Separation of Powers clauses of the US Constitution. Executive orders may be used to "temporarily" enact provisions in cases of NEW, EMERGENCY, AND OF A NATIONAL SECURITY NATURE until such time as the Legislative body may consider the matter under the legislative process. The SCOTUS ruled the Congress has not only had ample time to enact such a mandate should it have intent, it has indeed already addressed the issue on numerous occasions and resulting legislation never came close to deciding to include such mandates in the bills which were passed and presented as a result.

The SCOTUS ruled the limitations on the POTUS to use executive authority to enact provisions it cannot achieve through electoral process of The People is VERY LIMITED and narrow in scope. It is restricted to issues of extreme national importance of such an emergency nature and expressly of such broad approval by the electorate as to preclude them from being addressed by the provisions of the legislative process yet clearly to be of the will of The People and are further limited for a duration considered reasonable for the legislative body to address. Nor may such Executive writs be designed to instill a permanent solution where other measures of a less permanent nature could be put in place.

In other words, the POTUS cannot just dictate orders of any kind. The POTUS cannot expand the authority of OSHA beyond the scope of its operation. They ruled OSHA by Congresses Authorization may only address matters specific and unique to workplace safety. Clearly the dangers of COVID are not unique to workplace safety but apply to both non-workers and workers in their off hours. They must be narrowly tailored to address new and unprecedented situations. Such orders must be temporary and only put in place long enough for the matter to be addressed in accordance with the process defined in the Constitution, they must concern matters of national security of an emergency nature. Remedies must not be of a permanent or non-retractable nature when less permanent resolutions are available as options for the legislative body (e.g. Vaccine mandates cannot be undone but stay at home and temporary mask mandates can be undone). It must also be so clearly supported by the States and The People as to reasonably presume the decision would pass the scrutiny of the States and The People. Orders cannot be used to override decisions reserved to the States. It is assumed if the states have had time to address the issue and it truly is of such a level of emergency then the Congress would likewise have had opportunity to address. In this case they DID address it and apparently the majority opinion of the Congress did not feel such mandates were warranted.  Overriding a State Statute indicates the Congress has had opportunity to address.

B.See » 09 Jan 2022, 6:40 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 6:40 am

The latest in covidiocracy:


'The Jews are behind this': Big GOP donor pushes antisemitic theory that vaccines are an 'extermination' plot 
 

You very obediently disregard all conspiracy theories ......UNLESS [[[RACHEL]]] TELLS YOU THAT RUSSIAN "FACEBOOK LIKES" FLIPPED ENOUGH  ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES TO STEAL THE ELECTION AWAY FROM HILLARY AND HAND IT TO TRUMP....  

 
 
 

B.See » 14 Jan 2022, 6:05 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2022, 6:05 am

In the latest COVIDIOCRACY, the conservative led SCOTUS further enables the Trump/GOP death cult by blocking vaccine mandates for many:

The Supreme Court’s decision will directly result in thousands of preventable deaths.

The SCOTUS did no such thing.  They clearly indicated such mandates might be permissible and the wisdom of the mandate wasn't the matter before the court.  SCOTUS merely said the mandate cannot be enacted at the wishes of the POTUS to avoid what could be or has been addressed by the Congress.  Nor can non-elected bureaucrats and Agencies enact such mandates.  Even NIH does not have the authority to dictate such mandates as they go beyond any precedent of scale put forth by the legislative body and cannot be undone should the legislative process dictate a less Draconian process in the future.

So the SCOTUS addressed the process by which the mandate was enacted and the nature of the mandate itself as being overly broad and beyond the level of the authority the Congress could delegate to any Agency.  Such broad overreach is reserved for the People and the Congress and must be directly enacted by the Congress through public vote.  Such authority must be traceable back to the People's ability to remedy the officials privilege to continue to occupy their current position.

So the SCOTUS left the door open should the Congress decide to forward legislation for the President's signature after a public vote under the auspices of the People.

SCOTUS then issued an order to the lower court instructing them the stay is to remain in place until such time as they could rule on the matter.  It further instructed the lower court that should they decide to lift the stay after addressing the matter the stay would automatically be put back in place and to forward the matter to the SCOTUS itself until such time as they could address the Constitutionality of the mandate directly.  In other words, SCOTUS is suggesting they rule the mandates be struck down by the lower court and is sending it back to them as a courtesy so they may rule correctly.  Should they rule the mandate Constitutional the SCOTUS is clearly letting them know they will strike it down and are just trying to save them the embarrassment of being overturned should they allow the mandate.

 
 

B.See » 26 Sep 2021, 10:00 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Sep 2021, 10:00 pm

.  .  .  considering that we are NOT in the Dark Age, but one in which so much information is available.


 

Actually maybe up to 95%  is MISinformation, DISinformation and outright lies !

LibDave » 15 Jan 2022, 4:55 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2022, 4:55 pm

The SCOTUS did no such thing.  They clearly indicated such mandates might be permissible and the wisdom of the mandate wasn't the matter before the court.  SCOTUS merely said the mandate cannot be enacted at the wishes of the POTUS to avoid what could be or has been addressed by the Congress.  Nor can non-elected bureaucrats and Agencies enact such mandates.  Even NIH does not have the authority to dictate such mandates as they go beyond any precedent of scale put forth by the legislative body and cannot be undone should the legislative process dictate a less Draconian process in the future.

So the SCOTUS addressed the process by which the mandate was enacted and the nature of the mandate itself as being overly broad and beyond the level of the authority the Congress could delegate to any Agency.  Such broad overreach is reserved for the People and the Congress and must be directly enacted by the Congress through public vote.  Such authority must be traceable back to the People's ability to remedy the officials privilege to continue to occupy their current position.

So the SCOTUS left the door open should the Congress decide to forward legislation for the President's signature after a public vote under the auspices of the People.

SCOTUS then issued an order to the lower court instructing them the stay is to remain in place until such time as they could rule on the matter.  It further instructed the lower court that should they decide to lift the stay after addressing the matter the stay would automatically be put back in place and to forward the matter to the SCOTUS itself until such time as they could address the Constitutionality of the mandate directly.  In other words, SCOTUS is suggesting they rule the mandates be struck down by the lower court and is sending it back to them as a courtesy so they may rule correctly.  Should they rule the mandate Constitutional the SCOTUS is clearly letting them know they will strike it down and are just trying to save them the embarrassment of being overturned should they allow the mandate.

That may be true, but what I spoke of is the EFFECT of their ruling. Here's another's take on it:

'This is absurd': A legal expert unpacks the hidden agenda behind the Supreme Court's 'pernicious' decision ​ - Alternet.org

 

And since my 3000 character limit apparently includes quoted material, here is the rest of my post from above. Excerpts from the article:

"Normal people don’t pay much attention to the United States Supreme Court. I don’t know why. Here’s nine people who tell us what the law is. They tell us what the law is even if their reasoning for it is trash. 

Such is the case with the court’s latest ruling. The six Republican justices could have said to themselves, “Gee, the pandemic is bad. It’s killing a lot of people. Maybe we shouldn’t second guess the people who know what they’re talking about when it comes to public health.

”Nah.The court instead decided to second guess the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. The White House had tried to implement the president’s vaccine-or-test mandate via OSHA’s statutory authority to regulate workplace safety. The mandate would have affected employers with over 100 workers, or about 100 million people. 

The Republicans justices make-believed they were public health experts. The covid, though it continues to rage through the workplace, isn’t an occupational hazard, they said. Why? It exists, like other hazards in life, outside the workplace. Therefore, OSHA doesn’t have the statutory authority the Biden administration says it has.

This is stupid, according to Josh Chafetz, professor of law at Georgetown and author of Congress’s Constitution: Legislative Authority and the Separation of Powers. (“Stupid” wasn’t his word, though.) Air exists outside the workplace. So does water. Yet OSHA regulates them. This is what happens when justices make-believe.

It gets worse. The justices said they were restoring power to Congress, but Josh said nuh-uh. That’s bad faith. What they are really trying to do is dismantle the administrative state. To do that, Republican justices invented out of thin air something called the “major questions doctrine.”
 
 

B.See » 16 Jan 2022, 12:27 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2022, 12:27 am

That may be true, but what I spoke of is the EFFECT of their ruling. Here's another's take on it:

'This is absurd': A legal expert unpacks the hidden agenda behind the Supreme Court's 'pernicious' decision ​ - Alternet.org

The opinion of this journalist is of no more import than mine and yours.  Nor is the opinion of OSHA.  The SCOTUS stepped in an ruled (correctly) that non-elected bureaucrats do not have such authority to enact such mandates.  Such mandates are the purview of the Congress and the POTUS through the legislative process defined in the Constitution.  It requires a public vote by elected officials under supervision by The People.  It isn't even an authority which Congress may delegate to a non-elected bureaucracy (e.g. the NIH or CDC).  The Constitution clearly defines the instructions The People have mandated their elected officials follow when enacting laws.  Nothing in the Constitution grants Congress or the President the right to circumvent that process.   Any laws enacted outside that process may be ignored by The People as being outside the governments charter.

Such a mandate could be enacted directly by the POTUS but the SCOTUS detailed strict limitations when this special process could be utilized.  It would have to be a new and sudden threat of National Security importance of such severe onset it would preclude the legislative process from acting in time.  Even then, such an order by the POTUS would have to give due deference to the Congress by designing the Executive Order in a manner which avoided actions of a permanent nature limiting options of the Congress.  SCOTUS ruled mandating vaccines would be permanent and couldn't be undone by future Congressional action.  A temporary stay at home order or masks would give due deference.  Such special cases would have to be clearly in the interests of and reason to believe it would be supported by The People and the Congress.  This is obviously not the case.  Congress has had time to pass such a mandate and chose not to.  Executive Orders cannot override the powers given to the state and the People also.  Basically the SCOTUS bitch slapped Biden for overstepping his bounds.  And OSHA too.  It said OSHA authority was limited to no more than adjusting the distance between cubicles and requiring masks INSIDE THE WORKPLACE.  OSHA also did not have the authority to require businesses pay for testing.  And testing would have to go through the budgeting process and paid for by the government.
 
If you believe the vaccine mandates are wise then petition your congressman to pass legislation mandating vaccines.  You can't undermine the Constitution because you believe your are right and the majority opinion isn't.  And you can't enact laws outside the confines of the Constitutionally defined process.
 

B.See » 16 Jan 2022, 12:27 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2022, 12:27 am

That may be true, but what I spoke of is the EFFECT of their ruling. Here's another's take on it:

'This is absurd': A legal expert unpacks the hidden agenda behind the Supreme Court's 'pernicious' decision ​ - Alternet.org

 

what separates single affect from mutually effect of everything occupying space kinetically evolving the same way separately here? Each has to adapt to same time, same atmosphere, same species, similar ancestries geographical area displaced as a replacement.

the eternal bonds of DNA connections of passed, present, arriving great great grandchildren until never a great great grandchild added again here event occurs.

Humans are capable of ending that any relative time second forward. Tic toc.

The latest in coronavirus news:

United CEO says vaccine mandate has brought 'weekly' staff deaths to an end
Nearly all teens treated in intensive-care units for COVID-19 have been unvaccinated: study
Pastor: Americans have 'failed spectacularly' when it comes to fighting COVID-19
Journalist states the obvious: COVID is killing Trump supporters by the hundreds each day
Dem Rep. Suggests Replacing CDC Director Amid Messaging Turmoil
Arkansas inmates who were given ivermectin to treat COVID in jail file federal lawsuit: "They used us as an experiment"
AOC Gives The CDC All The Heat After Granting Delta CEO's Wish Of Reduced Quarantine Isolation Time


 
 

The Right's War On Government Is Working And It Could Cost Lives | HuffPost Latest News

MEANWHILE, in **** Bizarro world:

On Day One, Virginia’s New Republican Governor Ends Mask and Vaccine Mandates
Covid horror as anti-vaxxers drinking urine after claiming it's more effective than jab
'This is a war!' Anti-vaxxers set up 'military-style' training camps to unleash disruption
Florida suspends health official who urged staff to get vaccinated
Neil Gorsuch Reportedly Refuses To Wear Mask In Supreme Court, Forcing Others To Call In
MN anti-vaxxer, kept on ventilator by judge, moves to Texas to get 'other medications'
Czech coronavirus: Folk singer dies after deliberately getting infected with Covid-19