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freeman » 18 May 2022, 9:28 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 9:28 am

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I've seen all this **** Q-Anon propaganda before.  It wasn't worth commenting on then.  Still isn't now.

 The Covid-19 Forum...really?    

That's your **** resource???       
 
 

IkeBana » 18 May 2022, 9:37 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 9:37 am

I've seen all this **** Q-Anon propaganda before.  It wasn't worth commenting on then.  Still isn't now.

 The Covid-19 Forum...really?    

That's your **** resource???     
 

So how many times have you gotten yourself jabbed ikeygirl?
Or should I say volunteered to be a lab rat. 2 times? 4 times?
Or is it a subject of too much shame for you to admit to.
 

IkeBana » 18 May 2022, 9:17 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 9:17 am

If somebody wants to be a dumb cocksucker and **** around with an illness that has killed a million of us in a bit over two years...I will send them your way for your  counsel.  Then again maybe they should just by a gallon of Clorox bleach and a case of Lysol.

That's what you assholes decided would help.
Wipe downs kind of went bye bye. Remember those ridiculous rituals?
People don't even wash hands anymore. Masks? Acknowledged as useless.

All that liberal street cred . . . gone.

btw
Us? I thought you **** prog morons said the unvaxxed were dying.
And those were mostly non-progs... you good lil' progs are all vaxxed up.

Now you're counting those deaths among the "us"?
Half of those were your enemy cons. Unwashed, unmasked, unvaxxed.

Besides, 2/3 of those million deaths were a democratic president's fault.
He made promises.  

 
 

IkeBana » 18 May 2022, 9:37 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 9:37 am

I've seen all this **** Q-Anon propaganda before.  It wasn't worth commenting on then.  Still isn't now.

 The Covid-19 Forum...really?    

That's your **** resource???     

So how many jabs ikeygirl?
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GHETTOBLASTER » 17 May 2022, 11:30 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 11:30 pm

 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...!!!
 

UGH! You just sent my *** METER off!      
 

freeman » 18 May 2022, 9:11 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 9:11 am

Everyone in the forum is of course at liberty to consider or ignore any amount of posts in here. No need for anyone to announce that they do.
But having been personally presented 10 links, that were little more than Big Pharma advertising, rather than impolitely ignore the poster I chose to point out their irrelevance and error through discussion. Yes, including my own little flood of links.

The nice thing about links is that everyone even outside the exchange can select any amount of titles that catch their eye to click on. Or not. Including lurkers outside the forum who might have just noticed it. I post mainly for their perusal. Folks in this forum engage in very little discussion.
Perhaps links that did not catch even member's eye last week/month will become increasingly of interest as more of the malfeasance and destruction caused by this investigational experiment is exposed.

It is appalling with millions of permanently injured and at least a million killed. I heard about a show recently where widows of vaccinated heart-ruined victims were interviewed. Talk about life changing.

I share info simply to help people make more informed decisions about vaxxing or getting boosters. However vaxxed people on the wane would seem more vulnerable than unvaxxed.

I don't notice the flood of links from you as I do from a couple others.
Perhaps your motivation is different as well.

The vaxxed "injury" rate is still either not tracked with sufficient vigor or is still a bit of an unknown.
Time will tell as I have already alluded.

To use every single malady as ammo to bolster an anti-vax stance is as misleading as discarding same to make the opposite point.
My point is still that the trust in tracking this event has been eroded. In my case, nearly to none at all.

IkeBana » 18 May 2022, 9:37 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 9:37 am

I've seen all this **** Q-Anon propaganda before.  It wasn't worth commenting on then.  Still isn't now.

 The Covid-19 Forum...really?    

That's your **** resource???     

Have you EVER discredited your lib-prog friend for doing the same thing?
Even ONE criticism?

Deezer Shoove » 18 May 2022, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 1:19 pm

I don't notice the flood of links from you as I do from a couple others.
Perhaps your motivation is different as well.

The vaxxed "injury" rate is still either not tracked with sufficient vigor or is still a bit of an unknown.
Time will tell as I have already alluded.

To use every single malady as ammo to bolster an anti-vax stance is as misleading as discarding same to make the opposite point.
My point is still that the trust in tracking this event has been eroded. In my case, nearly to none at all.

the irony of asking for links when genetically linked to occupying space mutually evolving here now and everyone believes now cannot be eternity, yet series parallel evolving at the same time is eternally separated currently living here.

so many ways to justify denying actual life ancestrally everyone forgot the actual means existence happens now.

DeezerShoove » 18 May 2022, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 1:19 pm

I don't notice the flood of links from you as I do from a couple others.
Perhaps your motivation is different as well.

The vaxxed "injury" rate is still either not tracked with sufficient vigor or is still a bit of an unknown.
Time will tell as I have already alluded.

To use every single malady as ammo to bolster an anti-vax stance is as misleading as discarding same to make the opposite point.
My point is still that the trust in tracking this event has been eroded. In my case, nearly to none at all.
 

Indeed, and sorry I misunderstood your post initially, though had no trouble on the reread.
And I agree with jumping on every malady as vaccine related, not positively adding to a body of information and evidence.
But when an M.D./pathologist and treating physician like Dr. Ryan Cole, who presides over 40,000 biopsies a year notices a dramatic increase in various cancers and autoimmune diseases, it should not be ignored. Even he admits it's not definitive and needs further study with larger groups, even though his colleagues have all been observing the same. The problem is the government has divorced itself from any kind of investigating vaccine death and disability from the start and continues to. Just as our Big Pharma owned government divorced itself from repurposing effective generic drugs that have been 99+% successful in early treatment ever since March of 2020. How can Big Pharma's little bi*ches in this forum continue to defend any of Big Pharma's whores?!

 

B.See » 18 May 2022, 12:20 am » wrote: ↑

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You're a moron and a fkng TROLL, who. like others of your ilk, are only here to bury INFORMATION behind your drive by **** personal attacks.

I accepted and took into consideration alternate information, presented by another poster who contributed said information, engaging in and hoping for give and take on the discussion at hand. And even offered links to information that in some ways corroborated some of that which HE offered.

And what happens? Two fkng TROLLS attempt to downgrade and dismiss the information and then go on a personal attack against myself and members of my family.

So much for trying to engage in a reasonable discussion in this cesspool of hate, eh??

 

freeman » 18 May 2022, 8:47 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 8:47 am

Look at your 4th article. Just a plain stupid lie.
"Kim made the especially pointed comment below in announcing the threat in a very rare public address to his people. Remember, he has the means and the will to enforce this just like China. Besides, he has no other options to combat it."

All Kim would have to do is order ivermectin, doxycycline by mail order from India or Brazil or African countries or most anywhere, add a few nutraceuticals purchased on Amazon, and he could end their pandemic within weeks, right out of the gate.
230 million people, 310,783 cases April, cut 97.1% in June, just 22 cases August

Your 5th article highlights the failure of the vaccine at controlling the pandemic more than anything, while projecting future infection in some states, again without even mentioning effective early treatment. Let alone the possibility of a mass extinction event if another vaxx is introduced for Omicron thereby creating perfect circumstances for pathogenic priming and Original Antigenic Sin.
IMPORTANT! Geert Vanden Bossche "Final Call" "Final Warning" (vaxxdemic?)

Your 6th article is another add peddling Big Pharma's toxic jabs. Need I go on?

No, you've PROVEN yourself to be unworthy of ANY engagement or attempt at an exchange of ideas. Everything YOU post is the absolute truth, while everything I post is apparently a **** LIE.  So I'm done with YOU.

Go **** yourself.
 

B.See » 18 May 2022, 9:18 pm » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 9:18 pm

No, you've PROVEN yourself to be unworthy of ANY engagement or attempt at an exchange of ideas. Everything YOU post is the absolute truth, while everything I post is apparently a **** LIE.  So I'm done with YOU.

Go **** yourself.
 

You got that backwards and you explained how yourself - because truths I post come from world renowned and heavily experienced and published epidemiologists, virologists, pathologists, microbiologists, vaccinologists and 99+% successful front line treating physicians, while you post lies, manipulated or created data and propaganda from Big Pharma's journalists, academics, paid TV celebrity doctors, bureaucrats and even your demigod Doctor Death Fauci who was trained as a rheumatologist along with all the other vaccine stakeholders, in order to promote Big Pharma's sales - that makes my information worthy of exchanging while you are left flat-footed without reply.

That's also why you could only toss out a bunch of links, while I took your links and explained the problems with them, and offered you links with explanation. While you offered no argument against the truth in my links in return.

You were left slack jawed because you couldn't think of a single instance where any of the industry propaganda you cited - and I would venture have propagandizing yourself with over the last 2+ years - mentioned the first word about effective early treatment. Only peddling vaccines, along with completely unfounded fear of COVID death in weak-minded ignorant people such as yourself - all of which deaths of course were completely unnecessary with 99+% effective early treatment. That's the easiest way to know that what you are posting is Big Pharma, legacy media and government vaccine stakeholder's lies and propaganda. While the truth has been available since March of 2020.
Dr. Zelenko recommendations of 3-23-2020 - 500 patients 0 deaths 0 hospitalized

And you remain steeped and marinating in Big Pharma's lies and propaganda through confirmation bias. Too stupid to change, even though even you see, that you have been completely deprived of information of the most important piece of the puzzle and how that important piece renders all the propaganda you post essentially irrelevant.

MEANWHILE, IRL (AND DEATH) the latest coronavirus news (a.k.a. "the sniffles" according to one):

COVID-19 infections rising in Tennessee. Is a summer wave coming?

Michigan adds 29,267 cases, 78 deaths from COVID-19 over past week

CDC: New Omicron Subvariant BA.2.12.1 Responsible for 43% of Coronavirus Cases | Health News | US News

4th COVID-19 vaccine dose gives 'significant' immunity boost

ALSO:

To boost or not to boost? Vaccine shots get renewed emphasis with COVID-19 cases in Virginia on the rise – The Virginian-Pilot

Everything we know about covid treatment paxlovid — Quartz

Where to Find Paxlovid Once You’ve Tested Positive for Covid - Bloomberg

Paxlovid rebound: What you need to know about COVID return - Los Angeles Times

AND IN BIZARRO WORLD:

Missouri Bill Bars Pharmacists From Questioning Ivermectin Prescriptions

“Case Numbers Don't Matter”—and Other Fatal Covid Fallacies | The Nation

Eric Clapton catches COVID-19 after calling vaccine efforts a ‘mass psychosis’ – New York Daily News

B.See » 20 May 2022, 5:22 am » wrote: ↑

20 May 2022, 5:22 am

Everything we know about covid treatment paxlovid — Quartz

I already pointed out your last round of links regarding infection and/or death from COVID to be irrelevant. You no longer have to be in sheer terror of the flu, from the powers that own your mind and should have been able to overcome that mass psychosis. COVID is irrelevant for everyone that is prepared for early treatment, regardless of their age or comorbidities.
MyFreeDoctor.com has treated 150,000 COVID patients with a 99.99% success rate
230 million people, 310,783 cases April, cut 97.1% in June, just 22 cases August

Those last two links show the irrelevance of ALL of your links that mention illness or death from COVID-19, except to people that are too stupid to prepare in advance or call myfreedoctor.com when they get sick (or other telemedicine professionals if their doctor is a malpracticing killer that is COVID early treatment clueless).
At least other ignoramuses maintained themselves in a state of ignorance through censorship and rachael madcow, to not know enough to prepare in advance. While you will have no excuse.

At least this time in your links you may have gotten the gist of the importance of early treatment by citing Paxlovid. But my don't you love being a lab rat for Big Pharma's patented drugs?!!!!!
Now the manufacturer claims an 89% reduction in hospitalization (but then Merck had claimed 50% reduction and peddled their drug for $800 per course of treatment, but once on the market it was found to be just 30% effective).

So let me see. Would I desire to be a guinea pig while sending Big Pharma's bill of $530 per course of treatment for Paxlovid on to my kid's future, for an experimental new "ritonavir-boosted nirmatrelvir" drug with unknown long term side effects and short term side effects that may include (these were quickly copied and pasted from the thumbnails on page one of search results):
"skin rash that may include itchy, red, swollen, blistered or peeling skin you're wheezing you get tightness in the chest or throat you have trouble breathing or talking your mouth, face, lips, tongue or throat start swelling"
"changes in taste, diarrhea, high blood pressure (hypertension), and muscle aches"
"dysgeusia (6 versus <1%), diarrhea (3 versus 2%), hypertension (1 versus <1%), and myalgia (1 versus <1%)."

Laughably "To qualify for a Paxlovid prescription, an individual must be 12 years of age or older, weigh at least 88 pounds, have tested positive for COVID-19, be symptomatic, and be at high risk for developing severe COVID-19 illness."
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-update ... 5/paxlovid

And gooolllleee:  "To be effective, treatment must begin within five days of symptom onset, so you are not eligible to take Paxlovid if you have had COVID-19 symptoms for more than five days."

The importance of early treatment has of course been emphasized by 99+% COVID-successful front line medical professionals ever since March of 2020.
Dr. Zelenko recommendations of 3-23-2020 - 500 patients 0 deaths 0 hospitalized

THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Doctor Death Fauci's go home and isolate with no treatment recommendations until you begin to suffocate and need oxygen in a hospital.
Fauci's "go home and isolate" treatment for COVID - a death sentence for so many

"Eric Clapton catches COVID-19 after calling vaccine efforts a ‘mass psychosis’"
Guffaw! And it truly is a mass psychosis since the headline obviously should have read:
"Eric Clapton catches COVID-19 even after being injured by a vaccine that was supposed to protect him from it!"
Or how about:  "Everyone that catches COVID and does not seek early treatment with a 99+% effective generic multi-drug/nutraceutical protocol is stupid!"

So now let's see if you want to continue to marinate in stupidity, or if you can overcome your psychosis just long enough to answer a simple question.

1) Would you rather be a guinea pig and risk short and long term side effects from Big Pharma's 89% effective (claims the profiteer) experimental patented drug while sending a bill for $530 to burden your children's future (or what brain-dead idiots like pastafarian would call "free" like the "free" vaccines)? If you "qualify" for it!

2) Or would you rather take a 2+-year-proven multi-drug/nutraceutical protocol that includes ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine - that have both been proven to be among the safest drugs on the planet over the last 35 and 65 years - with the entire protocol costing under $20, that have both been proven to be virtually 100% effective if taken upon the onset of symptoms ever since March of 2020, both of which have virtually no side effects. While unlike Paxlovid, ivermectin has been shown to have efficacy not only in early but also in later treatment as well, since it is also anti-inflammatory.
151 ivermectin COVID studies, 103 peer reviewed, 81 comparing treatment &control
394 HCQ COVID-19 studies, 297 peer reviewed, 326 comparing treatment and control

Indeed hydroxychloroquine is taken by millions of Americans every day of the year over decades for Lupus and arthritis, in the same dosage that the Zelenko COVID protocol prescribes over just 7 days.
While billions of doses of ivermectin have been consumed by humans with such minimal side effects that the WHO recommends mass treatment with it as an effective public health strategy.

So can you be honest for a moment and tell us which you believe would be a better choice?
And I will press you until you answer.

DeezerShoove » 18 May 2022, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 1:08 pm

That's what you assholes decided would help.
Wipe downs kind of went bye bye. Remember those ridiculous rituals?
People don't even wash hands anymore. Masks? Acknowledged as useless.

All that liberal street cred . . . gone.

btw
Us? I thought you **** prog morons said the unvaxxed were dying.
And those were mostly non-progs... you good lil' progs are all vaxxed up.

Now you're counting those deaths among the "us"?
Half of those were your enemy cons. Unwashed, unmasked, unvaxxed.

Besides, 2/3 of those million deaths were a democratic president's fault.
He made promises.

If Trump had behaved like a chief of state and not like a four time bankrupt reality show host we would have had a front end covid-19 death rate like the Germans under Merkel, or maybe even like the South Koreans.  That's where we would have saved 2/3 of our fatalities.

So let's take a look at the deaths in the last year of Trump compared with deaths in the first year of Biden.

Pro-Trump counties continue to suffer far higher COVID death tolls

NPR examined COVID deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which most Americans could find a vaccine if they wanted one. Those living in counties that voted 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.26 times the death rate of those that went by the same margin for Biden. Counties with a higher share of Trump votes had even higher mortality rates.The scale of the preventable loss of life is staggering. According to a recent analysis by Brown University, nearly 320,000 lives nationwide could have been saved if more people had chosen to get vaccinated.

Check out the graph in the article.

Over twice the death rate in red counties as blue counties.  The only reason why there were more deaths in 2021 is because **** trumpers who could have been vaccinated, refused to get vaccinated.  And because they were clogging up the ICU's in US hospitals, the non-covid death rates went up because Americans with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, auto-immune disease couldn't get ICU care.

It's you **** red-state and red-county anti-vaxxers who could have been vaccinated for free and chose not to because you're gullible ****, who drove the covid-19 death rate through the roof in 2021...not Joe Biden.
 
 
 

IkeBana » 20 May 2022, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

20 May 2022, 12:39 pm

So let's take a look at the deaths in the last year of Trump compared with deaths in the first year of Biden.
 

Neither of them has an excuse for any deaths after March of 2020 (well maybe Trump has one for being vilified and demonized by the patented drug profiting media for mentioning HCQ).

But they are both obviously captives of Big Pharma.
Dr. Zelenko recommendations of 3-23-2020 - 500 patients 0 deaths 0 hospitalized
Emphasis mine:

"Dr. Vladimir (Zev) Zelenko
Board Certified Family Practitioner
501 Rt 208, Monroe, NY 10950

March 23, 2020

To all medical professionals around the world:

My name is Dr. Zev Zelenko and I practice medicine in Monroe, NY. For the last 16 years, I have cared for approximately 75% of the adult population of Kiryas Joel, which is a very close knit community of approximately 35,000 people in which the infection spread rapidly and unchecked prior to the imposition of social distancing.

As of today my team has tested approximately 200 people from this community for Covid-19, and 65% of the results have been positive. If extrapolated to the entire community, that means more than 20,000 people are infected at the present time. Of this group, I estimate that there are 1500 patients who are in the high-risk category (i.e. >60, immunocompromised, comorbidities, etc).

Given the urgency of the situation, I developed the following treatment protocol in the pre-hospital setting and have seen only positive results:

1. Any patient with shortness of breath regardless of age is treated.
2. Any patient in the high-risk category even with just mild symptoms is treated.
3. Young, healthy and low risk patients even with symptoms are not treated (unless their circumstances change and they fall into category 1 or 2).

My out-patient treatment regimen is as follows:

1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days
3. Zinc sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days

The rationale for my treatment plan is as follows. I combined the data available from China and South Korea with the recent study published from France (sites available on request). We know that hydroxychloroquine helps Zinc enter the cell. We know that Zinc slows viral replication within the cell. Regarding the use of azithromycin, I postulate it prevents secondary bacterial infections. These three drugs are well known and usually well tolerated, hence the risk to the patient is low.

Since last Thursday, my team has treated approximately 350 patients in Kiryas Joel and another 150 patients in other areas of New York with the above regimen.

Of this group and the information provided to me by affiliated medical teams, we have had ZERO deaths, ZERO hospitalizations, and ZERO intubations. In addition, I have not heard of any negative side effects other than approximately 10% of patients with temporary nausea and diarrhea.

In sum, my urgent recommendation is to initiate treatment in the outpatient setting as soon as possible in accordance with the above. Based on my direct experience, it prevents acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), prevents the need for hospitalization and saves lives.

With much respect,

Dr. Zev Zelenko

cc: President Donald J. Trump; Mr. Mark Meadows, Chief of Staff " 
________________________________

Mark Meadows called Zelenko acknowledging the letter as well as a video Zelenko's son had uploaded to YouTube.
As all will remember, Trump spoke the first word about HCQ seeming encouraging, and was promptly demonized and vilified by Big Pharma's left wing patented drug profiteering media.
 
What was later dubbed "The Zelenko Protocol" was subsequently adopted by entire nation-states that cared about their citizen's welfare.

Zelenko's current recommendations:
Treatment Protocol
https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/treatment-protocol/
Prophylaxis Protocol
https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/prophylaxis-protocol/

What was later dubbed "The Zelenko Protocol" was subsequently adopted by entire nation-states that cared about their citizen's welfare.
https://youtu.be/Y6gDletOCHc
https://youtu.be/rJpcfB4232g
Obviously to the benefit of all nation-states that had liberal availability and use of HCQ and IVM, as opposed to the homicidal U.S. policies of restricting and discouraging these safe, life saving medications.


 

IkeBana » 20 May 2022, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

20 May 2022, 12:39 pm

If Trump had behaved like a chief of state and not like a four time bankrupt reality show host we would have had a front end covid-19 death rate like the Germans under Merkel, or maybe even like the South Koreans.  That's where we would have saved 2/3 of our fatalities.

So let's take a look at the deaths in the last year of Trump compared with deaths in the first year of Biden.

Pro-Trump counties continue to suffer far higher COVID death tolls

Check out the graph in the article.

Over twice the death rate in red counties as blue counties.  The only reason why there were more deaths in 2021 is because **** trumpers who could have been vaccinated, refused to get vaccinated.  And because they were clogging up the ICU's in US hospitals, the non-covid death rates went up because Americans with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, auto-immune disease couldn't get ICU care.

It's you **** red-state and red-county anti-vaxxers who could have been vaccinated for free and chose not to because you're gullible ****, who drove the covid-19 death rate through the roof in 2021...not Joe Biden.

BIDEN HAD A HUGE HEAD START WITH THE CV19 INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY TOOLED UP. 
BRANDON  STILL MANAGED TO "MURDER" MORE PEOPLE DUE TO CV19 THAN WHAT MSM BRAINWASHED IDIOTS LIKE YOU LOVE TO CLAIM TRUMP "MURDERED"......  
 

Ike Bana » 20 May 2022, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

20 May 2022, 12:39 pm

If Trump had behaved like a chief of state and not like a four time bankrupt reality show host we would have had a front end covid-19 death rate like the Germans under Merkel, or maybe even like the South Koreans.  That's where we would have saved 2/3 of our fatalities.

So let's take a look at the deaths in the last year of Trump compared with deaths in the first year of Biden.

Pro-Trump counties continue to suffer far higher COVID death tolls


Check out the graph in the article.

Over twice the death rate in red counties as blue counties.  The only reason why there were more deaths in 2021 is because **** trumpers who could have been vaccinated, refused to get vaccinated.  And because they were clogging up the ICU's in US hospitals, the non-covid death rates went up because Americans with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, auto-immune disease couldn't get ICU care.

It's you **** red-state and red-county anti-vaxxers who could have been vaccinated for free and chose not to because you're gullible ****, who drove the covid-19 death rate through the roof in 2021...not Joe Biden.
 
 
 

Look at your first response, "if Trump would have behaved like a chief of state....". He performed as an elected representative, not leader of followers obeying his social narrative's ideologies with every whim.

you revealed you only obey vernacular tribalism.

I think that there are quite a few out there who truly are lamenting the end of the COVID saga.