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RollingRock » 30 Sep 2021, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021, 10:23 am

I tend to believe that unbridled corporate whorism is the problem with these two.  The two headlines below showcase the problem, imo:

Backed by big oil, Manchin holds the Key to Dem' climate agenda  

Big Pharma, medical firms donated $750K to Kyrsten Sinema — then she opposed drug bill

As long as these two are beholden to their corporate donors, they are NOT serving the American voters who made their way through a pandemic to cast their votes in record numbers for Democrats and Joe Biden.  If Democrats, as a whole, do not come through for the American people (i.e. healthcare, voting rights, child care, climate), then we are going to lose.  

This bill represents the most aggressive progressive agenda I have witnessed to date on a national level.  It NEEDS to pass.  The American people overwhelmingly need it to pass.  It is largely, if not entirely (depending on the final bill), paid for by raising the taxes on the ultra wealthy and corporations.  No family making less than $400,000 will see a tax increase.

What's not to like? 

Yet I fear it will not pass SOLELY because of these two senators.

You are absollutely correct. And unfortunated, as indicated by a recent poll, most Americans don't even know what the Democratic package entails because the Dems admittedly haven't done a good job of educating the people and the obstructionists on the right (and their corporate backed cronies like the Kochs and Heritage Foundation) have been allowed to control the narrative via their USUAL "alternate reality" ****.

And CLEARLY Sinema and Manchin are their co-conspirators:

Biden’s Women-Focused Economic Agenda Is Getting Destroyed by Joe Manchin – Mother Jones
Sinema primary challenge raises $100K in one week as Arizonans and media turn on her
Sinema’s Reign Shows How Political Corruption Can Destroy America Like Metastasized Cancer - by Thom Hartmann - The Hartmann Report
Political operatives warn 'obstructionist' Kyrsten Sinema: 'We’ve unseated much more powerful people' - Alternet.org
Sinema is still playing footsie with the Republicans who just tried to blow up the economy
Kyrsten Sinema ditches Senate negotiations for fundraising trip to Europe - Raw Story
Kyrsten Sinema’s ‘strange’ behavior completely mystifies MSNBC panel - Raw Story 
Sinema jaunts off for European fundraising trip, while progressives fight for our future – ConsumersAdvisory.com

 

More revelations re the so-called "democrats" Sinema and Manchin (a.k.a. flies in the ointment):

Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema will sink the Democratic Party.
Manchin's response to Bernie's Build Back Better op-ed exposes his stark betrayal of West Virginians
When he claims he's not a climate science denier, Joe Manchin is lying through his teeth
CNN: Manchin & Sinema say what they want cut. And it's bad. Very bad.
Sinema rakes in Pharma and finance cash amid reconciliation negotiations
Reports: Senator Joe Manchin Wants the “Most Important Climate Policy” Out of Biden’s Budget – Mother Jones
 

B.See » 18 Oct 2021, 2:03 am » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 2:03 am

More revelations re the so-called "democrats" Sinema and Manchin (a.k.a. flies in the ointment):

Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema will sink the Democratic Party.
Manchin's response to Bernie's Build Back Better op-ed exposes his stark betrayal of West Virginians
When he claims he's not a climate science denier, Joe Manchin is lying through his teeth
CNN: Manchin & Sinema say what they want cut. And it's bad. Very bad.
Sinema rakes in Pharma and finance cash amid reconciliation negotiations
Reports: Senator Joe Manchin Wants the “Most Important Climate Policy” Out of Biden’s Budget – Mother Jones

Spoken like a true Nazi fascist. How dare they step out of lock step with the rest of the fascist pigs. 

B.See » 29 Sep 2021, 9:24 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2021, 9:24 pm

I mean, if these two are Democrats then I'm Little Bo Peep.  Too much corporate money lining their pockets I think:

for whom is Joe Manchin gutting Biden's clean energy plan, it's not for thee or me
The Legislation Joe Manchin Is Holding Up Would Help His State — A Lot | HuffPost
The Arizona Democratic Party Has Officially Had Enough Of Sen. Kyrsten Sinema's (D. AZ) Bull Sh*t
Sinema's unforced errors have cost her big-time with Arizona Democrats
Kyrsten Sinema Holding Fundraisers With Groups Looking To Block Reconciliation Bill

How are your sheep? Pretty ignorant to believe democrats aren't owned by corporate lobbies. Most corporations these days actively support progressive causes and candidates. There are literally trillions to be made from the climate change evangelism.  No actual progress need be made, only parroting a statement of belief. Seems they are following the Catholic Church business model to perfection. 
 

Blackvegetable » 30 Sep 2021, 10:34 am » wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021, 10:34 am

Kyrsten is a brain dead whore.

 
.....Who's picked-up where that other brain dead whore (i.e. Bubbles Blackburn) left off.

Str8tEdge » 18 Oct 2021, 5:57 am » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 5:57 am

Spoken like a true Nazi fascist. How dare they step out of lock step with the rest of the fascist pigs.

You mean fascist pigs like the MAGA-T rumpists who are calling people traitors and deserters if they don't fork over their hard earned dough to the GRIFTER-IN-CHIEF??

lmfao

GOP national fundraising arm goes full cult, calls non-donors 'traitors' and 'deserters' to Trump
 

Neo » 18 Oct 2021, 6:39 am » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 6:39 am

How are your sheep? Pretty ignorant to believe democrats aren't owned by corporate lobbies. Most corporations these days actively support progressive causes and candidates. There are literally trillions to be made from the climate change evangelism.  No actual progress need be made, only parroting a statement of belief. Seems they are following the Catholic Church business model to perfection.

Look champ. WE know that corporate money and lobbyist are involved in both parties.

There STILL IS A DIFFERENCE in what each party stands for. Sometimes slight and sometimes marked. But a DIFFERENCE. And anyone who says otherwise is either a complete moron or thinks WE are.

 
 

B.See » 18 Oct 2021, 7:56 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 7:56 pm

Look champ. WE know that corporate money and lobbyist are involved in both parties. There STILL IS A DIFFERENCE in what each party stands for. And anyone who says differently is either a complete moron of thinks WE are.

Not a significant difference. You didn't learn the lesson of Donald Trump. Monied interests conspired to destroy and diminish an outsider. Had it been Bernie Sanders, had it been Oprah Winfrey, they would have been similarly attacked. A pragmatic moderate was painted as the second coming of Hitler by the media. Half of us saw this, you apparently didn't. 
 

Neo » 18 Oct 2021, 8:00 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 8:00 pm

Not a significant difference. You didn't learn the lesson of Donald Trump. Monied interests conspired to destroy and diminish an outsider. Had it been Bernie Sanders, had it been Oprah Winfrey, they would have been similarly attacked. A pragmatic moderate was painted as the second coming of Hitler by the media. Half of us saw this, you apparently didn't.

A "pragmatic moderate"?? Throw out that koolaid, bud.

B.See » 18 Oct 2021, 8:02 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 8:02 pm

A "pragmatic moderate"?? Throw out that koolaid, bud.

Name a republican that would have taken on the nra on bumpstocks. Name a republican that would have aggressively pursued sentencing reform for non violent drug offenders. Yes, he was the most liberal republican to ever be elected to president. Facts speak louder than rhetoric. 
 

B.See » 18 Oct 2021, 7:50 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 7:50 pm

You mean fascist pigs like the MAGA-T rumpists who are calling people traitors and deserters if they don't fork over their hard earned dough to the GRIFTER-IN-CHIEF??

lmfao

GOP national fundraising arm goes full cult, calls non-donors 'traitors' and 'deserters' to Trump

DailyKos……                  

No wonder you’re so misinformed. 
 

Str8tEdge » 18 Oct 2021, 8:20 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 8:20 pm

DailyKos……                  

No wonder you’re so misinformed.

Really? Then how 'bout THESE????

‘You're a traitor’: Furious GOP fundraising text angers conservatives after berating them for not giving enough money
NRCC Sends Texts Calling Donors 'Traitors' for Not Giving Enough - Second Nexus Trump Fundraising Email Calls People “Traitors” for Not Donating Enough Money
A top GOP committee sent a message accusing supporters who hadn't donated of being traitors: 'You abandoned Trump.'
Trump Fundraiser Warns Supporters: 'You Are a Deserter!' For Not Donating to Dear Leader
GOP Fundraising Text: You're A 'Traitor' And 'Deserter' Who Must 'Prove Your Loyalty' To Trump By Sending Cash To NRCC


 
 

Str8tEdge » 18 Oct 2021, 8:20 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 8:20 pm

DailyKos……                  

No wonder you’re so misinformed.

Look bud, EVERYBODY from never-Trump Republicans like the Lincoln Project to this nation's intelligence agencies and the FBI have issued NUMEROUS warnings about reich-winged rising fascism and the danger THEY pose to democracy.  So if you think your usual juvenile smilies suffice for any commentary actually WORTH a damn, think again. Grow the -------- up.
 

Neo » 18 Oct 2021, 8:10 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 8:10 pm

Name a republican that would have taken on the nra on bumpstocks. Name a republican that would have aggressively pursued sentencing reform for non violent drug offenders. Yes, he was the most liberal republican to ever be elected to president. Facts speak louder than rhetoric.

That's so PATENTLY LUDICROUS it deserves only scorn and ridicule. There are at least two dozen facts I can name off the top of my head as to why that's complete and utter ****. Far more that MY 2000 CHARACTER POSTING LIMIT would allow. And even that First Step Act to which you refer was a BIPARTISAN BILL that he signed then failed to adequately finance. Liberal my ***. Right, the "liberal" grifter who had the support of David Duke and white supremacists and who called neo-Nazis "very fine people."
 
 

B.See » 18 Oct 2021, 10:48 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 10:48 pm

That's so PATENTLY LUDICROUS it deserves only scorn and ridicule. There are at least two dozen facts I can name off the top of my head as to why that's complete and utter ****. Far more that MY 2000 CHARACTER POSTING LIMIT would allow. And even that First Step Act to which you refer was a BIPARTISAN BILL that he signed then failed to adequately finance. Liberal my ***. Right, the "liberal" grifter who had the support of David Duke and white supremacists and who called neo-Nazis "very fine people."

I knew you couldn't look past your programing. Most liberal Republican to ever serve as president. 
 

Str8tEdge » 30 Sep 2021, 1:23 am » wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021, 1:23 am

Wait what?????? You realize who's in line to get that 3.5 trillion, right????

*hint* It's NOT YOU. 

Or you! You didn't work for it!
 

Neo » 18 Oct 2021, 11:13 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 11:13 pm

I knew you couldn't look past your programing. Most liberal Republican to ever serve as president.

They're called FACTS, chief. Demonized Latino immigrants as criminals and rapists, called an NFL player protesting police misconduct a sob, told American women of color congresswomen to go back to some other country, instead of repudiating white supremacy told his "proud" boys to stand back and stand by, picked two far right conservative SCOTUS justices, appointed other far right judges to the judiciary, wanted to send National Guard to Floyd protests, started the BIG LIE that the election was stolen calling for and instigating audits of votes from mostly minority communities, tried to undermine the ACA, rolled back fair housing legislation, reduced, undermined, and fought against various environmental laws, rolled back and undermined banking regulation and consumer protection, sabotaged LEGAL immigration, ended rules protecting workers from sexual harassment, undermined workers' overtime pay, cut child nutrition and food safety net programs...
 
 
 

B.See » 18 Oct 2021, 10:34 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 10:34 pm

Really? Then how 'bout THESE????

‘You're a traitor’: Furious GOP fundraising text angers conservatives after berating them for not giving enough money
NRCC Sends Texts Calling Donors 'Traitors' for Not Giving Enough - Second Nexus Trump Fundraising Email Calls People “Traitors” for Not Donating Enough Money
A top GOP committee sent a message accusing supporters who hadn't donated of being traitors: 'You abandoned Trump.'
Trump Fundraiser Warns Supporters: 'You Are a Deserter!' For Not Donating to Dear Leader
GOP Fundraising Text: You're A 'Traitor' And 'Deserter' Who Must 'Prove Your Loyalty' To Trump By Sending Cash To NRCC

Complete **** trash. Garbage tabloid level sites. 

B.See » 18 Oct 2021, 10:40 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 10:40 pm

Look bud, EVERYBODY from never-Trump Republicans like the Lincoln Project to this nation's intelligence agencies and the FBI have issued NUMEROUS warnings about reich-winged rising fascism and the danger THEY pose to democracy.  So if you think your usual juvenile smilies suffice for any commentary actually WORTH a damn, think again. Grow the -------- up.

WOW.....You don't think the FBI is HIGHLY BIASED?????? The FBI that illegally SPIED on a presidential candidate and sitting president????

The FBI that's STILL under investigation for their made up Trump Russian collusion story from the Hillary campaign?????
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**** YOU. Your days of political persecution are about to shift and don't **** come crying when you find yourself on the wrong end. 

nuckinfutz » 18 Oct 2021, 11:36 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021, 11:36 pm

Or you! You didn't work for it!

I contribute more in one year than you've contributed your entire life.