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Str8tEdge » 19 Oct 2021, 12:43 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2021, 12:43 am

WOW.....You don't think the FBI is HIGHLY BIASED?????? The FBI that illegally SPIED on a presidential candidate and sitting president????

The FBI that's STILL under investigation for their made up Trump Russian collusion story from the Hillary campaign?????
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**** YOU. Your days of political persecution are about to shift and don't **** come crying when you find yourself on the wrong end.

U mad?? lol

They spied on a stooge with business ties to Russia, who stood before a national audience begging them to hack American servers... while members of his campaign secretly met with Russians, then lied about it, then plead GUILTY to lying about it. The FBI did what they were SUPPOSED to do in investigated that kind of ****.
 
Russian businessman funded ex-Giuliani associates' account, court records show | Reuters
 
 

B.See » 19 Oct 2021, 4:57 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2021, 4:57 am

U mad?? lol

They spied on a stooge with business ties to Russia, who stood before a national audience begging them to hack American servers... while members of his campaign secretly met with Russians, then lied about it, then plead GUILTY to lying about it. The FBI did what they were SUPPOSED to do in investigated that kind of ****.
 
Russian businessman funded ex-Giuliani associates' account, court records show | Reuters

Sorry. Your entire Trump Russian collusion has been debunked and your FBI has been participating in persecutions for years now.


Look at the ridiculously stark difference between Jan 6th and leftist protestors. 

Most Americans are fed up with your **** hence Biden sliding through the 30's.           

B.See » 19 Oct 2021, 12:18 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2021, 12:18 am

They're called FACTS, chief. Demonized Latino immigrants as criminals and rapists, called an NFL player protesting police misconduct a sob, told American women of color congresswomen to go back to some other country, instead of repudiating white supremacy told his "proud" boys to stand back and stand by, picked two far right conservative SCOTUS justices, appointed other far right judges to the judiciary, wanted to send National Guard to Floyd protests, started the BIG LIE that the election was stolen calling for and instigating audits of votes from mostly minority communities, tried to undermine the ACA, rolled back fair housing legislation, reduced, undermined, and fought against various environmental laws, rolled back and undermined banking regulation and consumer protection, sabotaged LEGAL immigration, ended rules protecting workers from sexual harassment, undermined workers' overtime pay, cut child nutrition and food safety net programs...

Facts? Did he denigrate all Latinx people or were his remarks limited to illegal aliens who snuck across the border with the assistance of narcoterrorrorists?  Colin Kaepernick called attention to his false narrative of racist cops hunting innocent unarmed black people by disrespecting the flag thousands have sacrificed their lives for. I don't know that makes him an sob but one could certainly find his actions off-putting. If congress women of color want the US to look like a socialist **** hole they are welcome to move to one of the many already in existence. 

I don't think you can see the facts when it comes to Trump, just the unhinged media spin.. 

Str8tEdge » 19 Oct 2021, 12:44 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2021, 12:44 am

I contribute more in one year than you've contributed your entire life.       

But you never DONATED to me!         Cough up you weasel!
@Str8tEdge  
 

B.See » 19 Oct 2021, 4:57 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2021, 4:57 am

U mad?? lol

They spied on a stooge with business ties to Russia, who stood before a national audience begging them to hack American servers... while members of his campaign secretly met with Russians, then lied about it, then plead GUILTY to lying about it. The FBI did what they were SUPPOSED to do in investigated that kind of ****.
 
Russian businessman funded ex-Giuliani associates' account, court records show | Reuters

The Dem Team is hurting America.
Toooo many Biden Disasters.
This is why the Dems will lose the House in '22.

Taipan » 19 Oct 2021, 5:29 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2021, 5:29 pm

The Dem Team is hurting America.
Toooo many Biden Disasters.
This is why the Dems will lose the House in '22.

Democrats, AS ALWAYS, are trying to HELP America, on infrastructure, healthcare, student debt relief and in many other ways.

Republicans, AS ALWAYS, are standing in the way.

The reason why the right is so confident Democrats will lose the House in '22 has nothing to do with Biden or Democrats. It's because they are disenfranchising voters, RIGGING voter districts, and enacting laws that will allow them to IGNORE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, just like they've done in Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, and like they TRIED to do with their failed COUP attempt.

B.See » 19 Oct 2021, 7:57 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2021, 7:57 pm

Democrats, AS ALWAYS, are trying to HELP America, on infrastructure, healthcare, student debt relief and in many other ways.

Republicans, AS ALWAYS, are standing in the way.

The reason why the right is so confident Democrats will lose the House in '22 has nothing to do with Biden or Democrats. It's because they are disenfranchising voters, RIGGING voter districts, and enacting laws that will allow them to IGNORE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, just like they've done in Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, and like they TRIED to do with their failed COUP attempt.

 

The Biden Big-Gov. Socialist Bill must be defeated.   We cannot afford to add 5 Trillion more
to our National Debt.     We are almost 30 Trillion in debt right now.   That is wrong.
Who must pay that money back ?   Your children.    It is morally wrong to max-out the credit
cards & then ask your children to pay the bill.

Here are 6 reasons why the Dems will lose the House in '22;

1.  The Biden Afghan Disaster.   "JOE LIED......AND GOOD PEOPLE DIED".
2.  The Biden Open Border Disaster.     The Dems have betrayed the U.S.
3.  The Biden Defund the Cops, Hi-Crime Disaster.   "No jail-No bail".
4.  The Biden Hi-gas, Hi-inflation Disaster.
5.  The Biden "Bare-Shelves, Supply-Chain" Disaster.
6.  The Biden BLM,CRT Disaster.   Anyone who is backing BLM & CRT
      is an Anti-White, black-supremacist.      We must shut these people down.


 

Taipan » 19 Oct 2021, 8:40 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2021, 8:40 pm

The Biden Big-Gov. Socialist Bill must be defeated.   We cannot afford to add 5 Trillion more
to our National Debt.     We are almost 30 Trillion in debt right now.   That is wrong.
Who must pay that money back ?   Your children.    It is morally wrong to max-out the credit
cards & then ask your children to pay the bill.

Here are 6 reasons why the Dems will lose the House in '22;

1.  The Biden Afghan Disaster.   "JOE LIED......AND GOOD PEOPLE DIED".
2.  The Biden Open Border Disaster.     The Dems have betrayed the U.S.
3.  The Biden Defund the Cops, Hi-Crime Disaster.   "No jail-No bail".
4.  The Biden Hi-gas, Hi-inflation Disaster.
5.  The Biden "Bare-Shelves, Supply-Chain" Disaster.
6.  The Biden BLM,CRT Disaster.   Anyone who is backing BLM & CRT
      is an Anti-White, black-supremacist.      We must shut these people down.

1. Trump/Biden Disaster. the pullout was sloppy. Trump set the stage... mr. "art of the deal" ...snookered by smarter Taliban, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION. HELL, guy wanted to invite Taliban to Camp David... on the anniversary of 9/11 no less.
2. Yes, the border policy could've been better handled. tho he resorts to Trump's tactics, he'll anger Democratic voters and immigrants to whom he a more humane process.
3. Biden isn't interested in "defunding the cops."
4. Gas prices and inflation a by product of pandemic. You know, from the killer virus Trump & Co. called a "hoax."
5. Same for the supply chain. Biden administration already struck deals with Walmart, UPS, other major shippers to address issue.
7. BLM and CRT (as movements, can't speak for few misguided cretins among them) aren't "anti-white" nor "black supremacists."  That's ****. Or did you miss the massive numbers of white people, worldwide, who supported the protests?

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Neo » 19 Oct 2021, 6:37 am » wrote: ↑

19 Oct 2021, 6:37 am

Facts? Did he denigrate all Latinx people or were his remarks limited to illegal aliens who snuck across the border with the assistance of narcoterrorrorists?  Colin Kaepernick called attention to his false narrative of racist cops hunting innocent unarmed black people by disrespecting the flag thousands have sacrificed their lives for. I don't know that makes him an sob but one could certainly find his actions off-putting. If congress women of color want the US to look like a socialist **** hole they are welcome to move to one of the many already in existence. 

I don't think you can see the facts when it comes to Trump, just the unhinged media spin..

1. 9 Outrageous Things Donald Trump Has Said About Latinos | HuffPost Communities

2, Not Trump nor any other bigoted sob has the right to tell AMERICAN women of color or anyone else for that matter to leave the fkn country, mate, especially in response to valid criticisms of racism and bigotry: Leave the US, Trump tells liberal congresswomen of color

3. Kapernick called attention to questionable and disparate policing when it involves Black people. His silent kneeling had nothing to do with the flag or the anthem. And others joined him in that silent protest. Don't know how much more I can post in this response so I'm going to tell you more about disrespecting that flag in the next post.
 
 

I tell you what's "disrespecting the flag." Disrespecting the flag is drawing a blue stripe across the middle of it then using it to beat Capitol cops putting their lives on the line in defense of democracy. It's profaning it with Trump's name and face across it, or replacing the stars with supremacist/separatist imagery, like 3%-ers and **** like that. It's carrying that flag into the halls of Congress in a treasonous attempt at overthrowing government. It's carrying it side by side with flags bearing a fkn swastika or stars and bars. It's turning it all black as a symbol of potential anarchy.

Trump hugs that flag because he's been successful at PIMPING it. Because all his life he's used the system under that flag to manipulate and CHEAT it, as well as his business associates... USED it to commit fraud and evade taxes. If Trump loved that flag he couldn't POSSIBLY think of deliberately dividing the American people to empower himself, could NEVER lie to us about a killer pandemic to serve his own interest, or of first undermining government, then later attempting to OVERTHROW it.

Trump doesn't give a flying fk about that flag, or you or I, for that matter.

 
 

B.See » 20 Oct 2021, 3:22 am » wrote: ↑

20 Oct 2021, 3:22 am

1. 9 Outrageous Things Donald Trump Has Said About Latinos | HuffPost Communities

2, Not Trump nor any other bigoted sob has the right to tell AMERICAN women of color or anyone else for that matter to leave the fkn country, mate, especially in response to valid criticisms of racism and bigotry: Leave the US, Trump tells liberal congresswomen of color

3. Kapernick called attention to questionable and disparate policing when it involves Black people. His silent kneeling had nothing to do with the flag or the anthem. And others joined him in that silent protest. Don't know how much more I can post in this response so I'm going to tell you more about disrespecting that flag in the next post.

1. He was talking about illegal aliens and drug cartels along with latinx street gangs. If you thought he was talking about the average latinx individual then you are missing context. 

2. His remarks were made about the actions and beliefs of very specific women of color. Trump doesn't respect sacred cows. They were not targeted for their race or gender but rather their ideology. Hiding behind their status as minorities is pretty weak. 

3. Blm has always been a false narrative. Racist cops hunting unarmed blacks just isn't happening, it's fantasy. What is not fantasy is the gross over representation blacks have in violent crime, a 12% minority routinely committing half or more of the nation's violent crime. That fact alone explains why they might unfortunately receive additional attention from law enforcement. 

Neo » 20 Oct 2021, 6:46 am » wrote: ↑

20 Oct 2021, 6:46 am

1. He was talking about illegal aliens and drug cartels along with latinx street gangs. If you thought he was talking about the average latinx individual then you are missing context. 

2. His remarks were made about the actions and beliefs of very specific women of color. Trump doesn't respect sacred cows. They were not targeted for their race or gender but rather their ideology. Hiding behind their status as minorities is pretty weak. 

3. Blm has always been a false narrative. Racist cops hunting unarmed blacks just isn't happening, it's fantasy. What is not fantasy is the gross over representation blacks have in violent crime, a 12% minority routinely committing half or more of the nation's violent crime. That fact alone explains why they might unfortunately receive additional attention from law enforcement.

1. It is clear who he was talking about via the evidence of his own words on both occasions. And it IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR what mentalities those words were designed to appeal to and INCITE.

2. Again, like I said no cheating, fraudulent, demagogue, rabble rousing s-b abuser of the system has a right to tell ANY American to leave a country, especially someone speaking out about racism and bigotry.

3. Some cops are racists, and some are members of militant and supremacist groups. And SOME of them (though not enough) on occasion have been found to be GUILTY of misconduct and actions unbefitting of both that badge and their sworn duty to protect and serve.


 
 

And in spite of the usual ploy of citing a disproportionate rate (certainly not half or more) of crime among minorities (you specified Black, I didn't so maybe YOU have a problem with that) that still is no excuse for the DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of racial disparities in law enforcement. Including the fact that though drug usage is equal among whites and minorities, the arrest rate is much higher for the latter, as is the frequency of stops and searches, frisks, arrest, and longer sentencing. There are other disparities as well, including varied stories of white motorists telling cops to their faces to go **** themselves and driving away unscathed.

So your version of facts (i.e. "alternative facts") is just more of the usual right winged **** denials of TRUTH.

Analysis of police bodycams confirms what Black people know: Cops treat white people better
Cops use different tone of voice with black and white drivers - Los Angeles Times
Racial Inequities in Law Enforcement - Our Scientists' Work | RTI
Policing in black & white
Solving racial disparities in policing – Harvard Gazette

 

If Manchin switched parties today he would spend tax dollars like a drunken sailor on projects like restoring "big beautiful coal". Leaving our grandchildren with more debt and black lung.

B.See » 21 Oct 2021, 6:10 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2021, 6:10 am

And in spite of the usual ploy of citing a disproportionate rate (certainly not half or more) of crime among minorities (you specified Black, I didn't so maybe YOU have a problem with that) that still is no excuse for the DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of racial disparities in law enforcement. Including the fact that though drug usage is equal among whites and minorities, the arrest rate is much higher for the latter, as is the frequency of stops and searches, frisks, arrest, and longer sentencing. There are other disparities as well, including varied stories of white motorists telling cops to their faces to go **** themselves and driving away unscathed.

So your version of facts (i.e. "alternative facts") is just more of the usual right winged **** denials of TRUTH.

Take it up with the fbi. Blacks are routinely convicted of 50%+ of the nation's murders. Homicide isn't a crime that lends itself to confirmation bias, please explain the disparity. Attributing violence to residual racism isn't going to fly as other minority communities faced similar obstacles yet aren't grossly over represented in violent crimes. If you can't admit the reason cops have more encounters with blacks because more blacks embrace outlaw lifestyles then you are incapable of discernment. 

 
 

Neo » 21 Oct 2021, 11:25 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2021, 11:25 am

Take it up with the fbi. Blacks are routinely convicted of 50%+ of the nation's murders. Homicide isn't a crime that lends itself to confirmation bias, please explain the disparity. Attributing violence to residual racism isn't going to fly as other minority communities faced similar obstacles yet aren't grossly over represented in violent crimes. If you can't admit the reason cops have more encounters with blacks because more blacks embrace outlaw lifestyles then you are incapable of discernment.

I see you're inclined to ignore FACTS even when presented to you. I presented my references... where are yours?

Btw, disparity in convictions and arrests and other kinds of discrimination aren't "residual racism," bub.  And victims of Black crimes are mostly Black people. Yet the myth of so-called violent Black man remains the typical go to of the dyed in the wool bigot trying to incite fear while excusing racism and bigotry.

No one race has a monopoly on violence and murder, champ. And in that regard Black people are barely an also ran. It's not like THEY were the ones who thought of ingenious ways to MURDER SIX MILLION JEWS, eh?  And even now right wingers have taken up Nazi's twisted cross, are embracing their ideology, and (like in Texas) talking about ways to teach "opposing views" on the Holocaust.

A fkng DISGRACE.

 
 

Neo » 21 Oct 2021, 11:25 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2021, 11:25 am

Take it up with the fbi. Blacks are routinely convicted of 50%+ of the nation's murders. Homicide isn't a crime that lends itself to confirmation bias, please explain the disparity. Attributing violence to residual racism isn't going to fly as other minority communities faced similar obstacles yet aren't grossly over represented in violent crimes. If you can't admit the reason cops have more encounters with blacks because more blacks embrace outlaw lifestyles then you are incapable of discernment.

Whoops... forgot to include these, fwiw... though I'd suspect not much.

Tell ya what. Instead of continuing to hijack this thread how 'bout I create TWO new threads, on police misconduct and Trump/GOP inspired racism, so we can discuss it there.  No... no need to thank me.

The latest on Manchin and Sinema:

Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema will sink the Democratic Party.
SCOOP: Manchin Tells Associates He’s Considering Leaving the Democratic Party and Has an Exit Plan
Joe Manchin Called Our Reporting “****.” Now He’s Got a Different Story
In fighting to cut the reconciliation bill, Joe Manchin is signing West Virginia's death certificate

 
 

MEANWHILE:

Pentagon gets $24 billion more than it wants, while Joe Manchin wants to take money from kids
5 veterans on advisory board to Sen. Sinema quit in protest, calling her 'one of the principal obstacles to progress'

And why is THIS not a surprise. Remember Manchin himself said he talked to Trump ALL the time.

A billionaire who supported Trump in 2020 says he talks to Joe Manchin every week and urges him to 'stay tough'
 

B.See » 22 Oct 2021, 4:48 am » wrote: ↑

22 Oct 2021, 4:48 am

Whoops... forgot to include these, fwiw... though I'd suspect not much.

Tell ya what. Instead of continuing to hijack this thread how 'bout I create TWO new threads, on police misconduct and Trump/GOP inspired racism, so we can discuss it there.  No... no need to thank me.

The latest on Manchin and Sinema:

Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema will sink the Democratic Party.
SCOOP: Manchin Tells Associates He’s Considering Leaving the Democratic Party and Has an Exit Plan
Joe Manchin Called Our Reporting “****.” Now He’s Got a Different Story
In fighting to cut the reconciliation bill, Joe Manchin is signing West Virginia's death certificate

When republican senators stood up to Trump they were painted as courageous and brave heroes of the Republic. When a couple moderate democrats resist Biden's extreme progressive agenda they are attacked as traitors and vilified. Still think we have an unbiased media?
 

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