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Nourishment for the mind
Nourishment for the mind
By LibDave
29 Dec 2021 2:54 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
30 Dec 2021 4:05 pm
In your case why read? It will never alter your fallacious interpretation of the real world? When you do find evidence proving they are fallacies you just kick in some cognitive dissonance and rationalize it away.
No worries. You are hardly unique in this respect.
No worries. You are hardly unique in this respect.
30 Dec 2021 4:09 pm
LibDave » 30 Dec 2021, 3:46 am » wrote: ↑ Because we have all agreed to it, past and present. It is the contract we have put in place and accept as Americans if we call ourselves Americans. Furthermore, should you feel its dictates are unjustified it provides you righteous remedies. Should you determine these remedies beyond your ability to obtain and you cannot abide by its dictates then you have choices. You can deny dominion and place yourself outside its protections or leave. If you believe others have placed themselves beyond its dominion then it is your duty to defend its sanctity and forfeit your life if necessary to eradicate the offenders. If you attempt the later I would suggest you enlist the help of like minded individuals. Furthermore, should I agree with your assessment its doctrines have been irrevocably violated I would not only wish you success in your endeavors I would be compelled by my oath to the Constitution to aid you in its defense.
And you should feel blessed. The socialists of the former Soviet Union provided no such permission to leave. Still the case for China. Yet in America even if you decide you cannot abide by its doctrine the Constitution affords you inalienable rights until you depart. How is that for a gracious host?
the Constitution is nothing but a list of promises made by people who had power long ago...but no longer.
It does nothing on its own. And the current elite clearly do not care about such promises...
Your appeal to the Constitution is simply impotent and strikes me as a little sad.. we are not 3ven ruled by the same KIND of people as we were in 1779. Talking about the Constitution is about as useful as talking about the reforms of Julius Caesar.
30 Dec 2021 4:23 pm
Double postFOS » 30 Dec 2021, 5:09 pm » wrote: ↑ the Constitution is nothing but a list of promises made by people who had power long ago...but no longer.
It does nothing on its own. And the current elite clearly do not care about such promises...
Your appeal to the Constitution is simply impotent and strikes me as a little sad.. we are not 3ven ruled by the same KIND of people as we were in 1779. Talking about the Constitution is about as useful as talking about the reforms of Julius Caesar.
30 Dec 2021 4:26 pm
The Constitution was routinely violated after 1913. A short list of things in the U.S. that blatantly Violate the ConstitutionFOS » 30 Dec 2021, 5:09 pm » wrote: ↑ the Constitution is nothing but a list of promises made by people who had power long ago...but no longer.
It does nothing on its own. And the current elite clearly do not care about such promises...
Your appeal to the Constitution is simply impotent and strikes me as a little sad.. we are not 3ven ruled by the same KIND of people as we were in 1779. Talking about the Constitution is about as useful as talking about the reforms of Julius Caesar.
Marbury vs Madison (judicial review)
creation of the Federal Reserve
the Patriot Act
every war since 1960 ( Congress declares war, not the president according to the Constitution)
Citizens United ruling
the fact that we keep a standing army at all is against the Constitution if it is longer than 2 years
Article I, Section 8, Clause 12: [The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; . .
the constant appeals to a document that has been basically ignored for a century is pretentious and laughable
30 Dec 2021 4:27 pm
SJConspirator » 30 Dec 2021, 5:23 pm » wrote: ↑ The Constitution was routinely violated after 1913. A short list of things in the U.S. that blatantly Violate the Constitution
Marbury vs Madison (judicial review)
creation of the Federal Reserve
the Patriot Act
every war since 1960 ( Congress declares war, not the president according to the Constitution)
Citizens United ruling
the fact that we keep a standing army at all is against the Constitution if it is longer than 2 years
Article I, Section 8, Clause 12: [The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; . .
the constant appeals to a document that has been basically ignored for a century is pretentious and laughable
the 14th ammendment was also signed under duress for terms of capitulation for the confederacy...that should not have made it binding.
And freedom of association and such was clearly violated by the civil rights acts.
30 Dec 2021 4:32 pm
FOS » 30 Dec 2021, 5:27 pm » wrote: ↑ the 14th ammendment was also signed under duress for terms of capitulation for the confederacy...that should not have made it binding.
And freedom of association and such was clearly violated by the civil rights acts.
to post all the ways in which we don’t abide the Constitution would be exhaustive and take days. The most obvious example is the whole administration of FDR. Social Security, income tax etc..
apologies to CP I know he is a fan of Roosevelt
30 Dec 2021 4:34 pm
SJConspirator » 30 Dec 2021, 5:26 pm » wrote: ↑ The Constitution was routinely violated after 1913. A short list of things in the U.S. that blatantly Violate the Constitution
Marbury vs Madison (judicial review)
creation of the Federal Reserve
the Patriot Act
every war since 1960 ( Congress declares war, not the president according to the Constitution)
Citizens United ruling
the fact that we keep a standing army at all is against the Constitution if it is longer than 2 years
Article I, Section 8, Clause 12: [The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; . .
the constant appeals to a document that has been basically ignored for a century is pretentious and laughable
the 14th ammendment was truly amazing ...because it clearly was not what us citizens wanted. In both the north and south the overwhelming majority wanted and expected Lincoln stated plan: to deport all the Africans. NOT to make them citizens.
Even the majority of union soldiers who fought In the civil war resented this ammendment..but they hoped they could at least keep blacks out of the north.
30 Dec 2021 4:37 pm
I never said that you said all the wealth should be handed over..I merely offered my prediction for what would happen if Musk were to do so.SJConspirator » 30 Dec 2021, 4:59 pm » wrote: ↑ who said all the wealth should be given to the bottom 5%?
What part of my belief system would you like to Explore?
I didn't realize YOU POSSESS A LIBTARD SJW BELIEF SYSTEM.....[?]
I HAD NO IDEA...!!
30 Dec 2021 4:38 pm
SJConspirator » 30 Dec 2021, 5:32 pm » wrote: ↑ to post all the ways in which we don’t abide the Constitution would be exhaustive and take days. The most obvious example is the whole administration of FDR. Social Security, income tax etc..
apologies to CP I know he is a fan of Roosevelt
Where does the Const. make Social Security illegal?
30 Dec 2021 4:44 pm
Marbury vs Madison Not unconstitutional.SJConspirator » 30 Dec 2021, 5:26 pm » wrote: ↑ The Constitution was routinely violated after 1913. A short list of things in the U.S. that blatantly Violate the Constitution
Marbury vs Madison (judicial review)
creation of the Federal Reserve
the Patriot Act
every war since 1960 ( Congress declares war, not the president according to the Constitution)
Citizens United ruling
the fact that we keep a standing army at all is against the Constitution if it is longer than 2 years
Article I, Section 8, Clause 12: [The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; . .
the constant appeals to a document that has been basically ignored for a century is pretentious and laughable
Patriot Act Yes I think this went beyond the confines of the Constitution
Every war since 1960. This too is not unconstitutional.
Citizens United. I agree with the opinion of the court. The decision was a compromise and IMHO struck a good balance.
"the fact that we keep a standing army at all is against the Constitution if it is longer than 2 years"
This is not a correct assessment of S1 A8 C12. Read it again and also read the entire section.
30 Dec 2021 4:47 pm
I would assume based on the proclamation 'those powers not listed here for the fed gvt are given to the states.Bidennextpresident » 30 Dec 2021, 5:38 pm » wrote: ↑ Where does the Const. make Social Security illegal?
All powers.
30 Dec 2021 4:49 pm
GHETTOBLASTER » 30 Dec 2021, 5:37 pm » wrote: ↑ I never said that you said all the wealth should be handed over..I merely offered my prediction for what would happen if Musk were to do so.
I didn't realize YOU POSSESS A LIBTARD SJW BELIEF SYSTEM.....[?]
I HAD NO IDEA...!!
I didn’t realize that you thought handing over the treasury to a handful of oligarchs was optimal.. so we are both surprised
30 Dec 2021 4:51 pm
FOS » 30 Dec 2021, 5:47 pm » wrote: ↑ I would assume based on the proclamation 'those powers not listed here for the fed gvt are given to the states.
All powers.
Power to enact Social Security. Are you right all **** dumb?!
30 Dec 2021 4:52 pm
Bidennextpresident » 30 Dec 2021, 5:38 pm » wrote: ↑ Where does the Const. make Social Security illegal?
it violates the 10th amendment
30 Dec 2021 4:53 pm
Can you point to where I said that...?SJConspirator » 30 Dec 2021, 5:49 pm » wrote: ↑ I didn’t realize that you thought handing over the treasury to a handful of oligarchs was optimal.. so we are both surprised
30 Dec 2021 4:53 pm
It does not.
30 Dec 2021 4:54 pm
Bidennextpresident » 30 Dec 2021, 5:51 pm » wrote: ↑ Power to enact Social Security. Are you right all **** dumb?!
are you? Don't be ignorant.
In the spirit of the framers of the Constitution, the vast majority of administrative powers were to be given to the states or even smaller jurisdictions.
This would include various economic policies like social security.
The federal government was really only there to Sort-of protect the autonomy of the states from foreign power
30 Dec 2021 4:58 pm
my suggestion that there are better expenditures of our resources, than providing billion dollar space vacations to our rulers, sent you into a tizzy
30 Dec 2021 5:03 pm
Didn't they fund the trip with their own private wealth?SJConspirator » 30 Dec 2021, 5:58 pm » wrote: ↑ my suggestion that there are better expenditures of our resources, than providing billion dollar space vacations to our rulers, sent you into a tizzy
30 Dec 2021 5:03 pm
I didn't realize we provided Musk with that space ride...!SJConspirator » 30 Dec 2021, 5:58 pm » wrote: ↑ my suggestion that there are better expenditures of our resources, than providing billion dollar space vacations to our rulers, sent you into a tizzy
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