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LibDave » 30 Dec 2021, 10:14 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:14 pm

Trust me. I'm a lot more aware than you will ever be. You don't know the first thing about me. I'm well aware of changes and forces at work. And I have a VERY high understanding of economics, geo politics, finance and anything defense related. I'm also obscenely rich.
And to answer your next question, No I don't pay all that much in taxes.  But I always pay what I owe.

I sold bogus investments boiler room style . For years.  Made 6 figures.  Eventually grew to hate it.  Eventually felt like a scumbag scamming old folks.. cuz that’s what I was.

I started mushroom farming.  Make a fraction what I used to.  Am I happier now?  Far more.  Money is not everything.

Also, you seem to be lumping millionaires - who are WAY overtaxed- in with billionaires, who pay no tax.  That’s dumb

Don't know everything. Didn't say I did. But I've read your stuff. And Sears was a far cry from Amazon. And Sears had other issues. Do you know how Sears got it's start?

I also don't know what you had for breakfast this morning. Of what import is it who developed the initial business model? And trust me, it wasn't sears either?

Mushroom omelette am I right?
 
And Walmart didn't invent department stores.  Or grocery stores for that matter.  Who was the former retail king before WalMart?

LibDave » 30 Dec 2021, 10:25 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:25 pm

Don't know everything. Didn't say I did. But I've read your stuff. And Sears was a far cry from Amazon. And Sears had other issues. Do you know how Sears got it's start?

I also don't know what you had for breakfast this morning. Of what import is it who developed the initial business model? And trust me, it wasn't sears either?

Mushroom omelette am I right?

I will give you this much, your writing is actually interesting somehow.  By the standards of this place anyway.

it’s fascinating to witness how someone of obvious intelligence can be so wrong.  Like Stockholm syndrome on steroids

LibDave » 30 Dec 2021, 10:25 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:25 pm

Don't know everything. Didn't say I did. But I've read your stuff. And Sears was a far cry from Amazon. And Sears had other issues. Do you know how Sears got it's start?

I also don't know what you had for breakfast this morning. Of what import is it who developed the initial business model? And trust me, it wasn't sears either?

Mushroom omelette am I right?

Oh yawn. You are getting quite defensive. I don't know whether it is because you see that I am right or that you are wrong. 

It is very difficult to have your world view challenged. I get it. Our world view can often become mixed into our identity...especially if you identify as a rich man. 

But quite simply you cannot respond to my point. This one tiny little fact...and there are hundreds of other examples. 

Considering the evidence that lambert sabotaged sears so that Amazon had no competition...that totally demolished your idea of how our economy works...doesn't it? Corruption is the rule, not meritocracy.

I was thinking likewise. haha. You really should learn how about how humans process decisions and analyze. It helps a great deal to learn how to weed out the BS your brain will natural simplify and make decisions and perceive in a manner which isn't logical. Just a suggestion.

LibDave » 30 Dec 2021, 10:31 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:31 pm

I was thinking likewise. haha. You really should learn how about how humans process decisions and analyze. It helps a great deal to learn how to weed out the BS your brain will natural simplify and make decisions and perceive in a manner which isn't logical. Just a suggestion.

Sears was sabotaged.. our economy is not driven by meritocracy. You cannot refute that. And it proves that your model of the world and our economy is just wrong. 

FOS » 30 Dec 2021, 10:30 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:30 pm

Oh yawn. You are getting quite defensive. I don't know whether it is because you see that I am right or that you are wrong. 

It is very difficult to have your world view challenged. I get it. Our world view can often become mixed into our identity...especially if you identify as a rich man. 

But quite simply you cannot respond to my point. This one tiny little fact...and there are hundreds of other examples. 

Considering the evidence that lambert sabotaged sears so that Amazon had no competition...that totally demolished your idea of how our economy works...doesn't it? Corruption is the rule, not meritocracy.

There is a 3rd option.  I might not be defensive at all.  It may actually be I am right.  That would fit the situation too right?  I might actually be trying to help you understand something I see and you don't. And that perception just might be the correct one.

LibDave » 30 Dec 2021, 10:34 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:34 pm

There is a 3rd option.  I might not be defensive at all.  It may actually be I am right.  That would fit the situation too right?  I might actually be trying to help you understand something I see and you don't. And that perception just might be the correct one.

I have confronted you with a fact that totally smashes your world view. You aren't even reacting to it. You are just hoping the fact goes away. I can tell you some other things also. Know anything about the history of a company known as united fruit? Lol. I have lots of stories for you. 

If that was the case I would have invested in Sears. If that was the case it would have been apparent Sears was to be the Amazon of today. And trust me I would have known. But I knew that wasn't the correct perception for the future. So I didn't invest in Sears. Now if Sears where to have been the rightful Amazon of today, I would have invested... heavily. Then Bezos would have screwed me. But somehow my perception was correct and I didn't invest in Sears. Could be I got lucky and by mistake made the wrong investment that turned out to be the correct one. So which scenario is correct. I see three logical possiblities. Which one is correct?

This thread has lived up to its promise. My mind is nourished

1. You are wrong to claim Sears invented the business model (I actually already know this is incorrect but we'll go with it.
2. I was wrong about Sears' perceived future. I should have invested in Sears. And Bezos stole their idea and I got lucky.
3. I was right about Sears' perceived future. Sears was not in a position to become the next Amazon. And they just plain failed.


I'm assuming you are picking possibility 1.  After all this is the obvious selection for someone with your confirmation bias's?

LibDave » 30 Dec 2021, 10:38 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:38 pm

If that was the case I would have invested in Sears. If that was the case it would have been apparent Sears was to be the Amazon of today. And trust me I would have known. But I knew that wasn't the correct perception for the future. So I didn't invest in Sears. Now if Sears where to have been the rightful Amazon of today, I would have invested... heavily. Then Bezos would have screwed me. But somehow my perception was correct and I didn't invest in Sears. Could be I got lucky and by mistake made the wrong investment that turned out to be the correct one. So which scenario is correct. I see three logical possiblities. Which one is correct?

The point is not that Amazon won and Sears lost. That is totally irrelevant. 

The point is that the ceonof sears deliberately sabotaged sears...with the help of sec of Treasury Steve mnuchin in order to destroy any potential competition of Amazon. 

This is corruption. This is what runs our economy. 

I'm repeating myself a lot and you still aren't hearing. 
 

But you are assuming this as fact and making connections which just aren't there. This is precisely what I am telling you about how the human brain makes decisions. You MUST learn to override this. It is a VERY difficult skill to master. But it WILL change your life. And make you much happier in the process. And it will open your eyes to many things you wouldn't otherwise notice.

LibDave » 30 Dec 2021, 10:47 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:47 pm

But you are assuming this as fact and making connections which just aren't there. This is precisely what I am telling you about how the human brain makes decisions. You MUST learn to override this. It is a VERY difficult skill to master. But it WILL change your life. And make you much happier in the process. And it will open your eyes to many things you wouldn't otherwise notice.

dude yes..I am assuming it as fact and it is pretty impossible to deny it especially if you know some of the known details. Did you look at my article?? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/sears-s ... hefts.html

LibDave » 30 Dec 2021, 10:47 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:47 pm

But you are assuming this as fact and making connections which just aren't there. This is precisely what I am telling you about how the human brain makes decisions. You MUST learn to override this. It is a VERY difficult skill to master. But it WILL change your life. And make you much happier in the process. And it will open your eyes to many things you wouldn't otherwise notice.

Forget the Amazon conspiracy. Let's move to something else. Just read this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company

tell me if this fits in with your meritocracy entrepeur idea of how the is economy works? Lol. 

The example I gave earlier was of a study done. They took 500 Obama supporters and 500 Trump supporters and gave them the inaugural and state of the union speeches of both Trump and Obama and were told they would be asked questions about the speech afterwards. Only they switched the names of the candidates in bold letters at the top of the pages.

Out of 500 Obama supporters something like 475 when given multiple choice questions as to which policies they supported chose the policies of the opposite candidate. And they also provided reasons why. Almost the same results from the Trump supporters. So what does this say about the way humans make decisions? And what is it about yourself that makes you PRESUME you aren't in that 95% group? Or me for that matter. I was, I know that for sure.

LibDave » 30 Dec 2021, 10:53 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:53 pm

The example I gave earlier was of a study done. They took 500 Obama supporters and 500 Trump supporters and gave them the inaugural and state of the union speeches of both Trump and Obama and were told they would be asked questions about the speech afterwards. Only they switched the names of the candidates in bold letters at the top of the pages.

Out of 500 Obama supporters something like 475 when given multiple choice questions as to which policies they supported chose the policies of the opposite candidate. And they also provided reasons why. Almost the same results from the Trump supporters. So what does this say about the way humans make decisions? And what is it about yourself that makes you PRESUME you aren't in that 95% group? Or me for that matter. I was, I know that for sure.

I am a fascist libdave. Lol. The one thing you couldn't accuse me of is being brainwashed. I have literally adopted the ideology that is supposed to be the ultimate evil. 

FOS » 30 Dec 2021, 10:55 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:55 pm

I am a fascist libdave. Lol. The one thing you couldn't accuse me of is being brainwashed. I have literally adopted the ideology that is supposed to be the ultimate evil.

Oh you was brainwashed.. by Hitler!

SJConspirator » 30 Dec 2021, 10:58 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:58 pm

Oh you was brainwashed.. by Hitler!

his speeches were quite brilliant. But no normal person listens to them. You have to get unbrainwashed before you even consider listening to them. 

FOS » 30 Dec 2021, 10:50 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 10:50 pm

dude yes..I am assuming it as fact and it is pretty impossible to deny it especially if you know some of the known details. Did you look at my article?? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/sears-s ... hefts.html

It will could be someone inside Sears did some **** stuff to Sears.  But to make a connection to Bezos is a long stretch without ANY evidence.  Your brain naturally made that connection because that is the perception you have of the world and how business works.  If you believe the system is corrupt your brain will automatically make logical connections which are completely illogical based on that perception of the world.  It is how we work.  It is how we sort of paraphrase the world around us.  Our brain simplifies analysis.  It has to because it receives a great deal of input and can't process it.  So we develop a viewpoint of the world and before we even logically look at the factual details our brain has chosen which side of the issue it believes will be true.  And then it thinks up reasons for why the data presented fits our model.  Our preconceived perception of the world.  This is why people who think happy thoughts often see mostly good in the world and are happy people.  But the curmudgeonly old coot who see has a notion the world is out to cause him grief sees nothing but ill-intent everywhere he looks.

You say good morning to him and he thinks you are about to con him into something and so he replies, "Whats good about it!!!"