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LibDave » 31 Dec 2021, 12:30 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 12:30 am

Well I wasn't sure you had the desire or ability to elevate it. lol. jk with ya. Would you like me to explain what the logic indicates?

I am rapidly losing faith on your ability to be an interlocutor with me. Lol. You are too busy to read my article on united fruit for example. 

We should have been able to establish by now that real money in the usa is created by corruption, not meritocracy. 

Okay. I'll go read it if that is your preferred direction.

Where is it again?
 

LibDave » 31 Dec 2021, 12:20 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 12:20 am

That wasn't my intent.  But I think you read something into what you THOUGHT I was thinking.  Humans are HORRIBLE at reading minds.

how is this lol. Look at Rothko. OK? If we are living in a meritocracy then how the **** does Rothko just paint a canvas blue and sell it for 100 million $

LibDave » 31 Dec 2021, 12:34 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 12:34 am

Okay. I'll go read it if that is your preferred direction.

Where is it again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company

LibDave » 30 Dec 2021, 11:46 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2021, 11:46 pm

The scientific method is designed to remove confirmation bias from the equation. Yes. When you look at the data you are asked to put aside judgements and define what is unexplained precisely. Then you do the opposite... you allow your confirmation bias to develop a hypothesis based on your "notion" of how it works. Then you test out predictions based on all possibilities. The results should eventually lead you to the truth without bias. I never really thought of it that way... but yes it does seem to fit with the scientific process. I come at it from business and engineering and quantum.

I am always searching new ways to challenge my own beliefs.  I change my mind about issues fairly often, because I do not invest my ego into my beliefs.  They are always transitory.  This is the curse of endless intellectual curiosity.. the inability to ever feel like you have the “final answer”

this type of constant second guessing is not a virtue.  It does not serve one well, as much as total and utter conviction does.. even conviction of falsehoods is useful, cuz it does not matter what one believes, only the fervency of his belief.  Such certainty is the key to being a great salesman, because absolute certainty is contagious.  It overwhelms the audience and sways them to believe as you do.

LibDave » 31 Dec 2021, 12:34 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 12:34 am

Okay. I'll go read it if that is your preferred direction.

Where is it again?

By the way this guy, Leo black, was a former ceo of united fruit. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/busi ... pollo.html

Is this starting to tickle your pattern recognition? Or is pattern recognition the same as confirmation bias...LOL

SJConspirator » 31 Dec 2021, 12:40 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 12:40 am

I am always searching new ways to challenge my own beliefs.  I change my mind about issues fairly often, because I do not invest my ego into my beliefs.  They are always transitory.  This is the curse of endless intellectual curiosity.. the inability to ever feel like you have the “final answer”

this type of constant second guessing is not a virtue.  It does not serve one well, as much as total and utter conviction does.. even conviction of falsehoods is useful, cuz it does not matter what one believes, only the fervency of his belief.  Such certainty is the key to being a great salesman, because absolute certainty is contagious.  It overwhelms the audience and sways them to believe as you do.

Once you find the truth it can be very rewarding, though. There is a reason certain people are built like you. It's a high risk high reward strategy

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 12:42 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 12:42 am

Once you find the truth it can be very rewarding, though. There is a reason certain people are built like you. It's a high risk high reward strategy

the truth is, I never felt like I had the ultimate truth until I read a lot of your writings.  When you first posted that all politics is actually biology, I thought you were insane.  Then I read more with open mind and figured it aallll out

SJConspirator » 31 Dec 2021, 12:51 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 12:51 am

the truth is, I never felt like I had the ultimate truth until I read a lot of your writings.  When you first posted that all politics is actually biology, I thought you were insane.  Then I read more with open mind and figured it aallll out

I am honored

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 12:52 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 12:52 am

I am honored

I already knew it on some level, but not articulate it.  I knew that other countries had governments that feared its citizens while we have citizens that fear the government, and I knew that diversity was the reason for the fear.  Diverse populations are easily divided and conquered.  A homogenous population is more cohesive.  Diversity fails

SJConspirator » 31 Dec 2021, 1:00 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 1:00 am

I already knew it on some level, but not articulate it.  I knew that other countries had governments that feared its citizens while we have citizens that fear the government, and I knew that diversity was the reason for the fear.  Diverse populations are easily divided and conquered.  A homogenous population is more cohesive.  Diversity fails

Speaking of amazon...https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2020/04/l ... onization/

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 1:04 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 1:04 am

Speaking of amazon...https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2020/04/l ... onization/

wow what a article.  From your link;

 Jeff Bezos is a well-connected billionaire who rubs noses with some of the most affluent people and democratic politicians. Said belief that diversity is useful in hindering the masses from working against them is not exclusive to him. Though honestly, it should have been obvious that the millionaire democrats and their backers in finance and high society would never fund their own downfall.

This belief of theirs, how diversity is a weakness has been scientifically proven in a Danish and US study. Both having concluded diversity is far from a strength. Instead, it is a weakness that undermines social cohesion while drives people towards globalism and away from advancing their common destiny. Don’t take my word on diversity is a weakness

 

SJConspirator » 31 Dec 2021, 1:12 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 1:12 am

wow what a article.  From your link;

yes but in fact you can study history and know that this was wisdom known for thousands of years. Even Alexander the great knew this. That is why he married a Persian and placed many Persian officers in his army. 

It's basically an iq test really. You shouldn't even need studies to confirm this.. 

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 12:36 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 12:36 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company

A cursory read won't suffice FOS.  I'll have to continue on later.  Thats a lot to go through.  Many sources to check and list things out.  In general, what is your purpose for having me go through this?  What is it you believe it indicates?

LibDave » 31 Dec 2021, 1:31 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 1:31 am

A cursory read won't suffice FOS.  I'll have to continue on later.  Thats a lot to go through.  Many sources to check and list things out.  In general, what is your purpose for having me go through this?  What is it you believe it indicates?

I want you to come face to face with the fact that our modern economy is controlled by criminals...not people with 'great ideas'. Great idea people are actually crushed by modernity. They are exploited then discarded. 

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 1:33 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 1:33 am

I want you to come face to face with the fact that our modern economy is controlled by criminals...not people with 'great ideas'. Great idea people are actually crushed by modernity. They are exploited then discarded.

And what actions specifically did you disagree with?
Who are these great idea people in your link who were crushed?
Who specifically in the link "controls our modern economy", or even our economy at some earlier point?
What was "criminal"?

LibDave » 31 Dec 2021, 1:42 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 1:42 am

And what actions specifically did you disagree with?

Actions? What I disagree with is our philosophical priors. 

I personally do disagree with the idea that the usa controls Honduras with economic power, for example. But it doesn't matter that this is ethically reprehensible to me. 

I am looking at the incentive structure which made this a thing. And how it could...and does...adversely impact my own life. 

I personally do not even care much about the liberty of these Honduras foreigners. I don't care about them, really...ok? If I were nicer I would. 

But what really chills my blood is the fact that this precedent will obviously be used against me. 
 

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 12:09 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 12:09 am

I don't 3ven think he's a libertarian. Sounds like a neoliberal to me.

There used to be a joke in left socialist circles about how there's hardly any diff. between the two

LibDave » 31 Dec 2021, 1:42 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 1:42 am

And what actions specifically did you disagree with?
Who are these great idea people in your link who were crushed?
Who specifically in the link "controls our modern economy", or even our economy at some earlier point?
What was "criminal"?

My link? Its deeper than than. Henry Ford was crushed. Walt Disney was crushed. The people who control our economy now are jews. Ok?

LibDave » 31 Dec 2021, 1:42 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 1:42 am

And what actions specifically did you disagree with?
Who are these great idea people in your link who were crushed?
Who specifically in the link "controls our modern economy", or even our economy at some earlier point?
What was "criminal"?

Trying to deconstruct criminality is very Jewish lol. Normal people know the difference. 

Just don't cheat.

If you support cheating then you should go ahead and abandon your utopian dream of meritocracy.