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FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 6:03 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 6:03 pm

I never said corporations are evil. This is you arguing with some archetype in your head.

What ya doing for new years eve Fossy?  

People like peepee and libdave clearly believe that you can write some magic words on a piece of paper, call it the Constitution, and this will somehow inhibit any abuse of power from occurring. It is totally false.

There is also no way to construct some system of laws...no matter how elaborate...that will somehow automate the process of governance, leadership, and administration.

These are simply facts that must be accepted.

We know that adopf Hitler and his council ruled nazi germany. We now Elizabeth and her council ruled elizabethan England, etc.

We don't know who actually rules the us empire. But I can assure you it is someone and it is not Joe Biden.

We obviously know what values the elite have.. that is shown by what they enforce. They love jews, hate white gentiles, love sexual perversion and immorality, hate the legacy of European civilization, etc.

They also hate any sort of open and transparent rule and they will convince people like peepee that this is called Tyranny and it makes everyone sad.

sootedupCyndi » 31 Dec 2021, 6:08 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 6:08 pm

What ya doing for new years eve Fossy?

mostly helping thr gf with errands. 

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 6:21 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 6:21 pm

mostly helping thr gf with errands.

that's no fun.. go get yourselves a bottle!   

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 6:20 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 6:20 pm

People like peepee and libdave clearly believe that you can write some magic words on a piece of paper, call it the Constitution, and this will somehow inhibit any abuse of power from occurring. It is totally false.

There is also no way to construct some system of laws...no matter how elaborate...that will somehow automate the process of governance, leadership, and administration.

These are simply facts that must be accepted.


 

The work of angels is what your doin here


Many there are, too depressed, too embruted with hard toil and the struggle for animal existence, to think for themselves. Therefore the obligation devolves with all the more force on those who can. If thinking men are few, they are for that reason all the more powerful. Let no man imagine that he has no influence. Whoever he may be, and wherever he may be placed, the man who, thinks becomes a light and a power. That for every idle word men may speak they shall give an account at the day of judgment, seems a hard saying. But what more clear than that the theory of the persistence of force, which teaches us that every movement continues to act and react, must apply as well to the universe of mind as to that of matter? Whoever becomes imbued with a noble idea kindles a flame from which other torches are lit, and influences those with whom he comes in contact, be they few or many. How far that influence, thus perpetuated, may extend, it is not given to him here to see. But it may be that the Lord of the Vineyard will know. 

   — Henry George







 

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 6:20 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 6:20 pm

We know that adopf Hitler and his council ruled nazi germany. We now Elizabeth and her council ruled elizabethan England, etc.

We don't know who actually rules the us empire. But I can assure you it is someone and it is not Joe Biden.

We obviously know what values the elite have.. that is shown by what they enforce. They love jews, hate white gentiles, love sexual perversion and immorality, hate the legacy of European civilization, etc.

 

https://youtu.be/vhv_FYxCQNE

If a person realizes that liberal democracy is merely a technique of concealing power, then it should not surprise people to notice that the rise of liberal democracy in Europe occurred at the same time as the rise of secret Societies.

People are conditioned to find it 'kooky' to speak of the illuminati, but it is a simple historical fact that the society did exist...and we know that it weirded power and could influence kings as well as influence public opinion via cunning use of the printing press.

Documents of the illuminati were seized and exist to this day in German archives. We know what they wanted and what they were capable of.

We also know that intrinsically there is nothing about liberal democracy that could prevent the complete seizure of power by a secret society.

We are taught about the French revolution as if it was some organic event...that a bunch of peasants just spontaneously self organized into an army and defeated the monarchy.

But this is actually absurd and is impossible. Peasants can't do that. If they could, then Stalin could not have stayed in power.

And if you delve into some of the obscure facts about the revolution you will learn that there was not a bad harvest: someone was simply hoarding grain.

The first riots occurred with foreign people...mainly italians...who had been transported into France. Nota many native French people were even in the mob and if they were it was to watch. And all the agent provocateur who died in the first riot were all found with a coin purse that had the exact same amount of money in it.

We know that there was a massive disinformation propaganda. Somebody was printing a massive amount of pamphlets and spreading them around making claims about what louis was doing which we know was actually false.

Who was behind all of this? Without any doubt it was the illuminati.
 

We were speaking earlier of violations of constitutional rights..

Clearly this man had his constitutional rights violated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M ... nti-Mason)

And the implications of this event should be considered quite important. But this is hardly a footnote in history. It is a deeply obscure event that only unusually educated people like myself would have ever heard of.

FOS » 29 Dec 2021, 3:59 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Dec 2021, 3:59 pm

Wow. Thats broad lol

Good evening and happy new year FOS.

In the long run did Germany benefit from Hitler's efforts and the eventual out come of WWII...?
Where would Germany be right now if WWII never happened..?
I have tried  to google this question "phrased" every way possible and the Joogles who run Gogle have  refused to give this simple question a straight forward answer..instead they jump right into The Holocaust.

 
 

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 6:20 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 6:20 pm

People like peepee and libdave clearly believe that you can write some magic words on a piece of paper, call it the Constitution, and this will somehow inhibit any abuse of power from occurring. It is totally false.

There is also no way to construct some system of laws...no matter how elaborate...that will somehow automate the process of governance, leadership, and administration.

These are simply facts that must be accepted.

We know that adopf Hitler and his council ruled nazi germany. We now Elizabeth and her council ruled elizabethan England, etc.

We don't know who actually rules the us empire. But I can assure you it is someone and it is not Joe Biden.

We obviously know what values the elite have.. that is shown by what they enforce. They love jews, hate white gentiles, love sexual perversion and immorality, hate the legacy of European civilization, etc.

They also hate any sort of open and transparent rule and they will convince people like peepee that this is called Tyranny and it makes everyone sad.

Libertarians are some of the most easily duped people...they'll go on and on about how Republicans and Democrats are retards, not realizing libertarianism is basically a cover for the Tribe's desire to extract economic rent without any government imposed limitations.

That's "freedom" to libertertardians.

LOL

GHETTOBLASTER » 31 Dec 2021, 7:47 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 7:47 pm

Good evening and happy new year FOS.

In the long run did Germany benefit from Hitler's efforts and the eventual out come of WWII...?
Where would Germany be right now if WWII never happened..?
I have tried  to google this question "phrased" every way possible and the Joogles who run Gogle have  refused to give this simple question a straight forward answer..

If you haven't already, please read the comments FOS and I have posted in this thread...it's a gold mine for explaining libertardianism's pitfalls.

GHETTOBLASTER » 31 Dec 2021, 7:47 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 7:47 pm

Good evening and happy new year FOS.

In the long run did Germany benefit from Hitler's efforts and the out come of WWII...?
Where would Germany be right now if WWII never happened..?
I have tried  to google this question and the jews have  refused to give a straight answer in my search results.

Well...without a doubt the quality of life in Germany under the nazis was quite high and people were very happy. The average French person even seemed to enjoy being occupied by the nazis. They had a huge approval rating among ordinary people. 

But as you may know, Germany was destroyed by external forces. The 3 greatest empires on earth ganged up on Germany and managed to defeat it. Although it was close. 

That was not the fault of hitler...who never wanted war with the uk or France or the US. He was certainly planning to acquire Ukraine from the start so war with the ussr was inevitable...but that is all.. 

the destruction of ww2 was not good for anyone involved. and I don't blame Hitler for that at all. He desperately attempted to make peace with the uk. His meetings with Churchill are still classified.
 

Polar1ty » 31 Dec 2021, 7:51 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 7:51 pm

Libertarians are some of the most easily duped people...they'll go on and on about how Republicans and Democrats are retards, not realizing libertarianism is basically a cover for the Tribe's desire to extract economic rent without any government imposed limitations.

That's "freedom" to libertertardians.

LOL

Happy New Year Polarity.
Libertarians see themselves as people who would have fought to the death during the Revolution.
In actual practice....the term LIBERTARIAN might have lost some meaning....  

SJConspirator » 31 Dec 2021, 6:43 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 6:43 pm

The work of angels is what your doin here

Many there are, too depressed, too embruted with hard toil and the struggle for animal existence, to think for themselves. Therefore the obligation devolves with all the more force on those who can. If thinking men are few, they are for that reason all the more powerful. Let no man imagine that he has no influence. Whoever he may be, and wherever he may be placed, the man who, thinks becomes a light and a power. That for every idle word men may speak they shall give an account at the day of judgment, seems a hard saying. But what more clear than that the theory of the persistence of force, which teaches us that every movement continues to act and react, must apply as well to the universe of mind as to that of matter? Whoever becomes imbued with a noble idea kindles a flame from which other torches are lit, and influences those with whom he comes in contact, be they few or many. How far that influence, thus perpetuated, may extend, it is not given to him here to see. But it may be that the Lord of the Vineyard will know. 

   — Henry George

Ackyshually you USED to be part of the problem. Whenever I mocked and attacked libertardianism, you rushed to their defense.

How come when FOS says similar things about libertardianism you praise his commentary, but when I did the same, you kept opposing me?

Polar1ty » 31 Dec 2021, 7:59 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 7:59 pm

Ackyshually you USED to be part of the problem. Whenever I mocked and attacked libertardianism, you rushed to their defense.

How come when FOS says similar things about libertardianism you praise his commentary, but when I did the same, you kept opposing me?

Lol. Maybe you planted the seeds. It takes time for radical changes in worldview. Can't happen overnight

Polar1ty » 31 Dec 2021, 7:59 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 7:59 pm

Ackyshually you USED to be part of the problem. Whenever I mocked and attacked libertardianism, you rushed to their defense.

How come when FOS says similar things about libertardianism you praise his commentary, but when I did the same, you kept opposing me?

my thinking has evolved.  I still have some libertarian tendencies, but I know they are not feasible.  

I am probably the only one who has evolved on this board.  I haven’t seen anyone else change their mind about a single issue

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 8:03 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 8:03 pm

Lol. Maybe you planted the seeds. It takes time for radical changes in worldview. Can't happen overnight

It is damn painful.  Which is why most don’t do it

SJConspirator » 31 Dec 2021, 8:08 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 8:08 pm

my thinking has evolved.  I still have some libertarian tendencies, but I know they are not feasible.  

I am probably the only one who has evolved on this board.  I haven’t seen anyone else change their mind about a single issue

Cp has changed a lot. I think deezer and polarity have changed some.

I have evolved a great deal in the past couple years although not because of this board

SJConspirator » 31 Dec 2021, 8:08 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 8:08 pm

my thinking has evolved.  I still have some libertarian tendencies, but I know they are not feasible.  

I am probably the only one who has evolved on this board.  I haven’t seen anyone else change their mind about a single issue

I'm not annoyed by your previous POV. I'm more annoyed I didn't get any credit even though I was right the entire time about libertarian fantasy. (Though FOS did say, "You planted the seeds" so it seems some1 did notice)