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GHETTOBLASTER » 31 Dec 2021, 7:58 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 7:58 pm

Happy New Year Polarity.
Libertarians see themselves as people who would have fought to the death during the Revolution.
In actual practice....the term LIBERTARIAN might have lost some meaning....

Maybe back in 1776.

Your typical libertarian in 2021 would happily sign up to be a mercenary or hitman for Goldman Sachs, BlackRock, Google, and other (((TRIBE))) constructs.

Polar1ty » 01 Jan 2022, 5:55 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 5:55 am

Maybe back in 1776.

Your typical libertarian in 2021 would happily sign up to be a mercenary or hitman for Goldman Sachs, BlackRock, Google, and other (((TRIBE))) constructs.

I have followed the editorial contributions that one Libertarian named John Silviera has made through the years to BACKWOODS HOME MAGAZINE.

He wrote this ad for the back page of one issue that needed some filler..and it still makes me laugh every time I see it.


 
 

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 7:53 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 7:53 pm

Well...without a doubt the quality of life in Germany under the nazis was quite high and people were very happy. The average French person even seemed to enjoy being occupied by the nazis. They had a huge approval rating among ordinary people. 

But as you may know, Germany was destroyed by external forces. The 3 greatest empires on earth ganged up on Germany and managed to defeat it. Although it was close. 

That was not the fault of hitler...who never wanted war with the uk or France or the US. He was certainly planning to acquire Ukraine from the start so war with the ussr was inevitable...but that is all.. 

the destruction of ww2 was not good for anyone involved. and I don't blame Hitler for that at all. He desperately attempted to make peace with the uk. His meetings with Churchill are still classified.

Do  you just throw this stuff out there to see what sticks?  I'm sure we remaining would be quite happy after putting all you Fascist Socialists, Marxist/Leninists, Progressives, felons, the mentally ill and retarded into work camps, confiscate your wealth and don't even waste the resources feeding you.  Afterwords I think I might even feel entitled to all your wealth once the guilt (if I possess any) wears off.  You and your children will be dead anyway so no one remains who will have any use for it.  Make sure you make your beds before you leave your home and valuables for the last time.  Yes! That's a great solution.  Let's shall, let's shall!

And who were these 3 empires?  UK, France, and US?  The UK was indeed a large empire.  France was worthless after about 2 weeks and actually aided and abetted the NAZI's.  France was not a great empire at the time, not today, and certainly never in the top 3 save perhaps a short stint under Napoleon.  The US isn't and never has been an empire.  The US Constitution doesn't allow it.  And it wasn't close.

Hitler most certainly DID want war with the UK, France, and the US.  And indeed started the war.  He didn't want it as soon as he got it, but he wanted it.  He was convinced the appeasers didn't have the balls to declare war and planned to attack once he had consolidated Poland and Russia.  After P&R he had plans to take France.  Then Britain.  Then South America and then the US.  Documents are available to prove their intentions.  Attempting to rewrite history are you?

Of course you don't blame Hitler.  This would require you to overcome your Cognitive Dissonance.  BTW, Churchill never met and didn't even correspond with Hitler privately.  No love letters between these two.

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 6:46 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 6:46 pm

People like peepee and libdave clearly believe that you can write some magic words on a piece of paper, call it the Constitution, and this will somehow inhibit any abuse of power from occurring. It is totally false.

There is also no way to construct some system of laws...no matter how elaborate...that will somehow automate the process of governance, leadership, and administration.

These are simply facts that must be accepted.

We know that adopf Hitler and his council ruled nazi germany. We now Elizabeth and her council ruled elizabethan England, etc.

We don't know who actually rules the us empire. But I can assure you it is someone and it is not Joe Biden.

We obviously know what values the elite have.. that is shown by what they enforce. They love jews, hate white gentiles, love sexual perversion and immorality, hate the legacy of European civilization, etc.

They also hate any sort of open and transparent rule and they will convince people like peepee that this is called Tyranny and it makes everyone sad.

 

Oh but we do.  We The People rule America.  No one person is in charge.  From time to time The People make that clear.  Perhaps once again soon.
 
 

SJConspirator » 31 Dec 2021, 8:08 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 8:08 pm

my thinking has evolved.  I still have some libertarian tendencies, but I know they are not feasible.  

I am probably the only one who has evolved on this board.  I haven’t seen anyone else change their mind about a single issue

Of course you think that.  What human doesn't think their current thinking is now correct?  Otherwise they would think otherwise and think that was correct.  As for the word "evolve"?  This implies some sort of progression towards a higher understanding.  It isn't.  It is merely your latest attempt to switch to a different ideology because the last one (which at that time you also believed to be correct, more enlightened and evolved) was found to be so irrevocably devoid in it's ability to explain the real world even you with your highly entrenched cognitive dissonance couldn't figure out a way to make the perception match reality.
 

Yeah...that college basketball star vs NBA analogy was a bit off...more like some regional HS champion player vs 3rd tier NBA player
 

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 3:20 pm

Oh but we do.  We The People rule America.
 

[Citation needed]

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 3:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 3:15 pm

Do  you just throw this stuff out there to see what sticks?  I'm sure we remaining would be quite happy after putting all you Fascist Socialists, Marxist/Leninists, Progressives, felons, the mentally ill and retarded into work camps, confiscate your wealth and don't even waste the resources feeding you.  Afterwords I think I might even feel entitled to all your wealth once the guilt (if I possess any) wears off.  You and your children will be dead anyway so no one remains who will have any use for it.  Make sure you make your beds before you leave your home and valuables for the last time.  Yes! That's a great solution.  Let's shall, let's shall!

And who were these 3 empires?  UK, France, and US?  The UK was indeed a large empire.  France was worthless after about 2 weeks and actually aided and abetted the NAZI's.  France was not a great empire at the time, not today, and certainly never in the top 3 save perhaps a short stint under Napoleon.  The US isn't and never has been an empire.  The US Constitution doesn't allow it.  And it wasn't close.

Hitler most certainly DID want war with the UK, France, and the US.  And indeed started the war.  He didn't want it as soon as he got it, but he wanted it.  He was convinced the appeasers didn't have the balls to declare war and planned to attack once he had consolidated Poland and Russia.  After P&R he had plans to take France.  Then Britain.  Then South America and then the US.  Documents are available to prove their intentions.  Attempting to rewrite history are you?

Of course you don't blame Hitler.  This would require you to overcome your Cognitive Dissonance.  BTW, Churchill never met and didn't even correspond with Hitler privately.  No love letters between these two.

What a load of rubbish lol.

Clearly you know nothing about this general subject and it is also making you quite emotional. Yr gonna throw me in a work camp? Maybe I'll force you to take a shower instead lol
 

FOS » 31 Dec 2021, 7:53 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2021, 7:53 pm

Well...without a doubt the quality of life in Germany under the nazis was quite high and people were very happy. The average French person even seemed to enjoy being occupied by the nazis. They had a huge approval rating among ordinary people. 

But as you may know, Germany was destroyed by external forces. The 3 greatest empires on earth ganged up on Germany and managed to defeat it. Although it was close. 

That was not the fault of hitler...who never wanted war with the uk or France or the US. He was certainly planning to acquire Ukraine from the start so war with the ussr was inevitable...but that is all.. 

the destruction of ww2 was not good for anyone involved. and I don't blame Hitler for that at all. He desperately attempted to make peace with the uk. His meetings with Churchill are still classified.

It's not surprising socialism appears to work in the beginning.  Until it runs out of other people's money.

"Ideological differences based on beliefs about facts, causation, human nature, and the character and distribution of knowledge, are ultimately questions about different perceptions of the real world, leading to hypotheses which can be tested emperically." - Thomas Sowell

Socialism has been tested and its evidence measured.  All tested hypotheses show the results have not met the predictions of those intellectuals who touted its virtues.

"Intellectuals have on issues ranging across the spectrum from housing policies to laws governing organ transplants sought to have decision-making discretion taken from those directly involved, who have personal stake, transferred to third parties who have neither, and who pay no price for being wrong."

"Intellectuals give people who have the handicap of poverty the further handicap of a sense of victimhood.  Intellectuals tend to see poverty as a great moral problem to which they have the solution.  The human race began in poverty.  There is no mysterious explanation as to why some people are poor.  The question is why have some people gotten prosperous and in particular why have some gotten prosperous to a greater degree than others....  Intellectuals have no interest in what creates wealth and what inhibits the creation of wealth.  They are very concerned about the distribution of it, but they act as if wealth just exists SOMEHOW.  It is like manna from heaven and it is only a question of how we split it up." -Thomas Sowell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wln6lNTxVpY

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 4:41 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 4:41 pm

It's not surprising socialism appears to work in the beginning.  Until it runs out of other people's money.

"Ideological differences based on beliefs about facts, causation, human nature, and the character and distribution of knowledge, are ultimately questions about different perceptions of the real world, leading to hypotheses which can be tested emperically." - Thomas Sowell

Socialism has been tested and its evidence measured.  All tested hypotheses show the results have not met the predictions of those intellectuals who touted its virtues.

"Intellectuals have on issues ranging across the spectrum from housing policies to laws governing organ transplants sought to have decision-making discretion taken from those directly involved, who have personal stake, transferred to third parties who have neither, and who pay no price for being wrong."

"Intellectuals give people who have the handicap of poverty the further handicap of a sense of victimhood.  Intellectuals tend to see poverty as a great moral problem to which they have the solution.  The human race began in poverty.  There is no mysterious explanation as to why some people are poor.  The question is why have some people gotten prosperous and in particular why have some gotten prosperous to a greater degree than others....  Intellectuals have no interest in what creates wealth and what inhibits the creation of wealth.  They are very concerned about the distribution of it, but they act as if wealth just exists SOMEHOW.  It is like manna from heaven and it is only a question of how we split it up." -Thomas Sowell

Nazi Germany prospered massively and its gdp growth far outpaced every other European country. That is just a fact. That is also why the citizens of Austria and sudenteland were overwhelmingly in favor of being annexed by Germany. 

I reject the opinion of your token blacks on this matter lol. Your apparent worship of this guy makes me a little embarrassed for you. 

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 3:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 3:15 pm

And who were these 3 empires?  UK, France, and US?

Apparently our resident expert doesn’t know that the deadliest foe of Germany in WWII was the Soviet Union.  Wow
 

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 3:20 pm

Oh but we do.  We The People rule America.  No one person is in charge.  From time to time The People make that clear.  Perhaps once again soon.

https://youtu.be/nQd7g565e2I

SJConspirator » 01 Jan 2022, 4:59 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 4:59 pm

Apparently our resident expert doesn’t know that the deadliest foe of Germany in WWII was the Soviet Union.  Wow

He made so many factual errors in that post I don't even want to bother correcting it. It would take too long lol.

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 3:33 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 3:33 pm

Of course you think that.  What human doesn't think their current thinking is now correct?  Otherwise they would think otherwise and think that was correct.  As for the word "evolve"?  This implies some sort of progression towards a higher understanding.  It isn't.  It is merely your latest attempt to switch to a different ideology because the last one (which at that time you also believed to be correct, more enlightened and evolved) was found to be so irrevocably devoid in it's ability to explain the real world even you with your highly entrenched cognitive dissonance couldn't figure out a way to make the perception match reality.

so wordy.. you must be really smart

If you want proof that Hitler never had any intent to conquer the uk then there is a very simple fact which basically leaves no doubt about it: Germany never even attempted to build a single aircraft carrier.

There was some suggestion to convert a cruise ship into an aircraft carrier but Hitler had no interest.

There is no way you could explain why hitler...who had air superiority over Britain for a long time...would not build aircraft carriers if he seriously wanted to invade Britain. You just cannot explain that.

There is no document proving that Hitler wanted to invade Britain and it is inconsistent with what facts we do know. Clearly Hitler wanted Britain to simply stop fighting. He even hoped they could be allies.
 

FOS » 01 Jan 2022, 4:45 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 4:45 pm

Nazi Germany prospered massively and its gdp growth far outpaced every other European country. That is just a fact. That is also why the citizens of Austria and sudenteland were overwhelmingly in favor of being annexed by Germany. 

I reject the opinion of your token blacks on this matter lol. Your apparent worship of this guy makes me a little embarrassed for you.

Complete bunk.  Is that why Hitler marched his troops into Austria the day before their vote on the resolution?  Regardless, it wouldn't make a difference whether 100% wanted annexation.  The real question is does this ideology work?  Has it worked?  We ourselves have allowed Democratic Socialism to feed off our capitalist creation of wealth to a point where cracks in the system are becoming all too apparent.  Intellectuals have taken control of the education system and the media and convinced the uneducated they have the solution.  Does that mean they are correct?

They submit their work product and theory and have no interest in testing their theories.  Zero interest in even verifying their theories.  Ideologies for which ample data exists already from recent history which can be examined to test their theories to determine their veracity.  Yet they insist and in fact vehemently oppose any such investigations.  Why?  Because testing their theories could only result in 2 things.  Either they prove wrong and they lose their power to control, or worse, they result in policy which actually fixes the problem and they are out of a job.  Just as Sowell details in his time with the Department of Labor in regards to the affects of minimum wage laws.  He received the Nobel Prize in Economics and they treated him as a pariah.  They were absolutely aghast at the proposal studies should be conducted to determine the affects of minimum wage.  Why?  Because their whole purpose was to administer minimum wage laws.  They would be out of a job and lose all their authority.
 

FOS » 01 Jan 2022, 5:11 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 5:11 pm

He made so many factual errors in that post I don't even want to bother correcting it. It would take too long lol.

If his head was a North African oil field in 1942, the combined forces of Rommel, Patton and Montgomery could not get thru to it.. that’s how hard and stupid it is lol

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 5:20 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 5:20 pm

Complete bunk.  Is that why Hitler marched his troops into Austria the day before their vote on the resolution?  Regardless, it wouldn't make a difference whether 100% wanted annexation.  The real question is does this ideology work?  Has it worked?  We ourselves have allowed Democratic Socialism to feed off our capitalist creation of wealth to a point where cracks in the system are becoming all too apparent.  Intellectuals have taken control of the education system and the media and convinced the uneducated they have the solution.  Does that mean they are correct?

They submit their work product and theory and have no interest in testing their theories.  Zero interest in even verifying their theories.  Ideologies for which ample data exists already from recent history which can be examined to test their theories to determine their veracity.  Yet they insist and in fact vehemently oppose any such investigations.  Why?  Because testing their theories could only result in 2 things.  Either they prove wrong and they lose their power to control, or worse, they result in policy which actually fixes the problem and they are out of a job.  Just as Sowell details in his time with the Department of Labor in regards to the affects of minimum wage laws.  He received the Nobel Prize in Economics and they treated him as a pariah.  They were absolutely aghast at the proposal studies should be conducted to determine the affects of minimum wage.  Why?  Because their whole purpose was to administer minimum wage laws.  They would be out of a job and lose all their authority.

Obama received a Nobel prize for being black also. Why would I give a ****? Lol.

The nazi economy was tested and we know it was extremely successful. Even the mainstream historians will admit that. 

But the normie view is that his economic miracle rested on adopting an 'evil' ideology. Evil for jews, at least. And as long as jews maintain economic dominance in western countries they will have no desire to incorporate populist inspired economy.
 

FOS » 01 Jan 2022, 5:19 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 5:19 pm

If you want proof that Hitler never had any intent to conquer the uk then there is a very simple fact which basically leaves no doubt about it: Germany never even attempted to build a single aircraft carrier.

There was some suggestion to convert a cruise ship into an aircraft carrier but Hitler had no interest.

There is no way you could explain why hitler...who had air superiority over Britain for a long time...would not build aircraft carriers if he seriously wanted to invade Britain. You just cannot explain that.

There is no document proving that Hitler wanted to invade Britain and it is inconsistent with what facts we do know. Clearly Hitler wanted Britain to simply stop fighting. He even hoped they could be allies.

what about sea lion?

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion

SJConspirator » 01 Jan 2022, 5:23 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 5:23 pm

what about sea lion?

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion

The way war plans worked in post napoleonic geopolitics is that every country develops a plan for how they would invade any other country. 

I can assure you that the us military has already developed plans for invading Canada or Mexico. 

That doesn't mean we intend to do it...it is just better to plan everything in advance. 

The fact the nazis never even attempted to build up their navy fleet proves they had no intent.