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FOS » 01 Jan 2022, 7:06 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 7:06 pm

Chamberlin was a better PM of the uk than Churchill imo. 

France was naturally terrified of Germany sure. Because France is next to Germany. And Germany almost conquered France in ww1. 

But imO this was all paranoia based on nothing. We know the nazis had a resource based focus on their imperialism and France had absolutely npthing...other than perhaps French girls...to interest the nazis. 

France easily could have just ignored the nazi invasion of poland...just like they ignored the ussr invasion of Poland. And France woukd have been safe. 

But no...they decided to declare war. For strategic reasons? Or for jewish reasons. Well...Jewish no doubt.

It is obvious that Hitler didn’t want war with England.  The evacuation of Dunkirk, for example, Hitler could have killed a lot more them if he wanted

SJConspirator » 01 Jan 2022, 7:24 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 7:24 pm

It is obvious that Hitler didn’t want war with England.  The evacuation of Dunkirk, for example, Hitler could have killed a lot more them if he wanted

Hitler actually admired the British people. No question. All sources admit that. He was a bit of an anglophile. 

He probably hated Churchill while loving the British people. 

Hitler was a fool. Horrible commander. So lame when Churchill received intelligence of a plot to assassinate Hitler, Churchill hurriedly sent word to the assassins to call it off. Almost didn't get through in time to save the megalomaniac. The NAZI's had some great generals. Not that they mattered much due to Hitler and the corruption of the leadership.

Montgomery was a **** commander too.

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 9:02 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 9:02 pm

Hitler was a fool. Horrible commander. So lame when Churchill received intelligence of a plot to assassinate Hitler, Churchill hurriedly sent word to the assassins to call it off. Almost didn't get through in time to save the megalomaniac. The NAZI's had some great generals. Not that they mattered much due to Hitler and the corruption of the leadership.

Montgomery was a **** commander too.

What the f do you actually know about anything lol

The Germans never had a chance once the US got involved. Hitler did make the matter worse, but Germany would have been defeated even without Hitler.

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 9:08 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 9:08 pm

The Germans never had a chance once the US got involved. Hitler did make the matter worse, but Germany would have been defeated even without Hitler.

lol. You mean the jews who rule the us. They were always involved.

LOL. Do you just make this stuff up? The Jews were 3% of the US population in 1941. And most weren't affluent. The Jews at the time weren't much better off than the Irish. The Italian American community had much more influence. But still, indigenous native born Americans were far and away more in control and certainly more affluent. Anglo-Saxon Protestant home grown 4th generation and more where in charge. Baptists for the most part. The recent influx of immigrants were just newly arrived workers.

US policy could hardly be considered pro-Jewish. American sentiment at the time didn't even allow for Jewish refugees from Germany to immigrate under asylum protection. This kind of flies in the face of your claim doesn't it. We sent 10s of thousands back to Germany who were subsequently executed. A point of embarrassment following the war. Almost half the country leaned towards entering on the side of Germany and Italy prior to Pearl Harbor.

So no. It was just the plain old American melting pot. Germany did not by any measure have a chance in hell of doing what they set out to do once Hitler made the mistake of declaring war on the US. It only further emphasizes his lack of intelligence in regards to military matters. He was a mouse in terms of geopolitical savvy. This likely played in his favor before 1939.
 

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 9:26 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 9:26 pm

LOL. Do you just make this stuff up? The Jews were 3% of the US population in 1941. And most weren't affluent. The Jews at the time weren't much better off than the Irish. The Italian American community had much more influence. But still, indigenous native born Americans were far and away more in control and certainly more affluent. Anglo-Saxon Protestant home grown 4th generation and more where in charge. Baptists for the most part. The recent influx of immigrants were just newly arrived workers.

US policy could hardly be considered pro-Jewish. American sentiment at the time didn't even allow for Jewish refugees from Germany to immigrate under asylum protection. This kind of flies in the face of your claim doesn't it. We sent 10s of thousands back to Germany who were subsequently executed. A point of embarrassment following the war. Almost half the country leaned towards entering on the side of Germany and Italy prior to Pearl Harbor.

So no. It was just the plain old American melting pot. Germany did not by any measure have a chance in hell of doing what they set out to do once Hitler made the mistake of declaring war on the US. It only further emphasizes his lack of intelligence in regards to military matters. He was a mouse in terms of geopolitical savvy. This likely played in his favor before 1939.

why does any of this matter? Why did Trotsky supporters flee to dc?

Wow! That came out of left field. This is an entirely different subject. Again a tendency of left and right wingers to switch subjects so quickly. It prevents any meaningful investigation into their positions which are unsupported by even the most basic of facts, evidence and experimentation. A great technique for obfuscating their positions but horrible for any kind pf progress and discord.

I have a great deal of experience on this subject. For every 1 lb. of equipment provided to the Japanese soldiers in the Pacific, how many pounds of equipment would you guess American soldier received?

How about for the German Soldier?

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 9:34 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 9:34 pm

Wow! That came out of left field. This is an entirely different subject. Again a tendency of left and right wingers to switch subjects so quickly. It prevents any meaningful investigation into their positions which are unsupported by even the most basic of facts, evidence and experimentation. A great technique for obfuscating their positions but horrible for any kind pf progress and discord.

I have a great deal of experience on this subject. For every 1 lb. of equipment provided to the Japanese soldiers in the Pacific, how many pounds of equipment would you guess American soldier received?

How about for the German Soldier?

we prevented oil from entering Japan you retard. What did you expect them to do?

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 9:34 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 9:34 pm

Wow! That came out of left field. This is an entirely different subject. Again a tendency of left and right wingers to switch subjects so quickly. It prevents any meaningful investigation into their positions which are unsupported by even the most basic of facts, evidence and experimentation. A great technique for obfuscating their positions but horrible for any kind pf progress and discord.

I have a great deal of experience on this subject. For every 1 lb. of equipment provided to the Japanese soldiers in the Pacific, how many pounds of equipment would you guess American soldier received?

How about for the German Soldier?

The answer is about 4.5 tons.  That's 9000 pounds to 1.

In Europe the Americans supplied about 240 lb.s of equipment for every 1 pound of equipment the Germans produced.  And yet German production had doubled by wars end through the use of captured slave labor.  But it gets worse.  The US was supplying the USSR and Britain at the same time and in fact without the US supplies to the USSR they wouldn't have destroyed the NAZI's nearly so quickly.  Perhaps not at all.  If you include the supplies sent by the US to the Eastern Front and Britain it was about 1000 to 1.

FOS » 01 Jan 2022, 9:37 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 9:37 pm

we prevented oil from entering Japan you retard. What did you expect them to do?

 

Cutting off oil served its purpose then I guess.  What did you expect would be the response to the invasions of Austria, Czech, and Poland?

Germany started the war, Britain and France joined in on the Allied side. Hitler and the NAZI's wrote a check their butts could not cash. Not with any economic system, but certainly not through NAZIism.

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 9:43 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 9:43 pm

Germany started the war, Britain and France joined in on the Allied side. Hitler and the NAZI's wrote a check their butts could not cash. Not with any economic system, but certainly not through NAZIism.

Sorry. Bs. Germany only had to fight the ussr. Britain etc could have minded their own business. They didn't. 

It might help to understand this. Hitler's lack of leadership in a geo-political sense was in many ways a benefit pre-1939. What I mean by that is he was very good at stirring up the sentiment in the German people. But his capabilities in a military and geo-political sense were almost infantile. All simulations our systems perform today on the contemporary situation in 1930's Germany indicate they had 0 chance of winning the war with US intervention. Less than 1 in 10 even if we remained completely neutral. More surprising is archived documents in possession of the German high command indicating their intelligence pretty closely agreed with our supercomputer models. So the NAZI's knew but chose to withhold this information due to the megalomania of Hitler. Instead they eventually began doing other things to subvert Hitler's increasing moronic demands.

This is why Hitler was able to make surprising gains early in the war. Because other countries assumed he was smart enough to see this. This gave them a sense of complacency and they were unprepared as a result. So it actually worked in the NAZI's favor initially and they actually benefited from appeasement. Churchill had studied Hitler and knew his psychological tendencies and was the only one to stand up and warn the world. He went so far as to be booted out of the government his decrees were so loud. It was deemed his language and insistence would serve to provoke. He was literally abandoned by EVERYONE and was touted as being so wrong as to warrant his ousting. Certainly one man couldn't be right in the face of 100's of intelligentsia saying the opposite. When Hitler proved Churchill not only sane but apparently the only one with any real understanding this catapulted him to power.

Once Hitler showed his hand though, no one underestimated his stupidity again. The Allies were caught unprepared and early gains seemed promising for the NAZI's. But Hitler's generals understood early on what was to come.
 
 
 

During the Allied move on Paris a German infantry commander intercepted a convoy of 10 US supply trucks which had gotten caught in the confusion of a shifting battlefield. The Germans hadn't eaten in days, were drinking out of ditches, had almost no ammunition or fuel. Their uniforms were in tatters. They were excited at the prospect of capturing such a large quantity of supplies (hoping for fuel, or ammo or weapons). When they examined the contents of the trucks the German commander announced, I know now the war is hopeless. To his amazement the 10 truckloads of supplies consisted of cherry, apple and other assorted pies sent across the entire Atlantic ocean for our boys. Yet the national socialists couldn't get his men bullets 300 miles from the border.
 

LibDave » 01 Jan 2022, 10:12 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 10:12 pm

During the Allied move on Paris a German infantry commander intercepted a convoy of 10 US supply trucks which had gotten caught in the confusion of a shifting battlefield. The Germans hadn't eaten in days, were drinking out of ditches, had almost no ammunition or fuel. Their uniforms were in tatters. They were excited at the prospect of capturing such a large quantity of supplies (hoping for fuel, or ammo or weapons). When they examined the contents of the trucks the German commander announced, I know now the war is hopeless. To his amazement the 10 truckloads of supplies consisted of cherry, apple and other assorted pies sent across the entire Atlantic ocean for our boys. Yes the national socialists couldn't get his men bullets 300 miles from the border.

total **** lol

FOS » 01 Jan 2022, 10:21 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2022, 10:21 pm

total **** lol

It's crazy that some people still have this beery sentimental patriotism .for AMERICA . this guy probly gets weepy over a U.S. flag rippling in the wind

Some people still can't see that America is a mall where the stores went out of business 20 years ago and the thugs took over and your gonna get shot in the parking lot
 

The German people blindly followed Hitler to their ruin. Hitler sacrificed a great people needlessly. I grew up in the ruins of what remained 25 years later. Under socialism 30 years later we still lived in the ruins of destroyed buildings. Ours had almost 3 walls. Electricity was sporadic and in the winter months warmth consisted of burning what could in a barrel. Under socialism everything goes to the ruling elite. No amount of effort went to the people. What was dispersed was just enough to keep you from charging the gun nests. Total deprivation, hopelessness and despair. Why work hard when it is of no benefit. People labored just enough to keep from being shot.

Yet in the distance just 25 years after the war Berlin, West Germany (free) stood like a monument to the tenets of capitalism. Huge beautiful brand new skyscrapers loomed on the horizon. Despite their lies information seeped in beyond the confines of our prison. Children unable to be fed were left on the steps of government agencies hoping those who kept what little food was produced would at least provide them nourishment. These children were raised by the state to be ardent socialists. They often became members of the Stasi - the secret police. Young women could be raped on the streets and no one dared object. To do so meant certain torture and even death and wouldn't have made a difference.

The Stasi would force sons to incriminate their own families. For instance a common tactic was to take a citizen and require him to wear a wire to a family gathering. They would be instructed to say something contrary to the socialist tyranny. If the family members didn't turn him in they would be arrested and tortured for failing to report the treason. This broke down the trust even inside the family. No one knew who to trust.
 

Yes, socialism treats everyone equally (or almost everyone)... equally poorly. Of course the Party members got the spoils. All power corrupts. Socialism is no different. Socialism only addresses the distribution of the wealth and does nothing about its creation. It is a particularly vicious system which inflicts incredible hardship and despair. In the end when there is no more wealth to distribute it equally disperses little to nothing.

As a result by necessity it is enforced at the barrel of a gun.