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JinnMartini » 09 Jan 2022, 8:37 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 8:37 pm

Covid is kind of a  SQUID GAME !

You don't need to believe it  . . .  all you need to do is to play by it !

You don't ?

Hey man you're free !

You just lose your job, can't go anywhere, lose your rented home, get fines if you show up places without a mask, be regarded as a terrorist by all those playing the game  . . .  that kind of stuff !

LoL

F U C K   -------------->  YOU  !

I've already been **** by Covid and by moronic conservatives.  

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 8:43 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 8:43 pm

He focused on the foreigners.  He ignored the American travelers.  So you have that.

What I have is the politicization of medicine. 

And I reject it. 

You were not ill because your neighbors voted for trump.

You might well have been ill because a very dangerous man syphoned off monies to fund gain of function research in wuhan - but that is what criminals do. Your elected representatives are not the actual source of viruses. 

Not the democrats. Not the republicans. Possibly the deep state that is at the effect of neither and manipulates both. 
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2022, 8:55 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 8:55 pm

What I have is the politicization of medicine. 

And I reject it. 


 

It was so simple.  Wear a mask, Maintain social distance, quarantine if sick.  But that was "oppressive" and "a thread to muh freedom."  So we needed a vaccine much sooner than otherwise.  Of course, the vaccine was met with the same idiots who thought masks didn't work.   

I find your "stand your ground" position a bit wrong and woefully out of tune with reality.  
 

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 8:28 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 8:28 pm

Suddenly, Capitalism is bad?  Wow.  For decades All I;ve heard from Conservatives is "Let the Free Markst fix it." and "Government needs to deregulate our businesses."  And now we have Big Pharma.

Capitalism is about free enterprise, to make a profit.
Capitalism gives you a choice to buy something or ignore it and buy similar **** elsewhere cheaper  . . . or of better quality .

Big Pharma is about  creating  addicts who do not have a choice, once addicted.

When are you scheduled to get your 10th  jab ?

JinnMartini » 09 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm

Capitalism is about free enterprise, to make a profit.
Capitalism gives you a choice to buy something or ignore it and buy similar **** elsewhere cheaper  . . . or of better quality .

Big Pharma is about  creating  addicts who do not have a choice, once addicted.

When are you scheduled to get your 10th  jab ?

I love this.  Can't admit that there is a flaw in ones own ideology so you spin it away.  
 

Shilly asshole shilling again^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 9:01 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 9:01 pm

It was so simple.  Wear a mask, Maintain social distance, quarantine if sick.

The peer reviewed science disagrees.

The very boxes that the masks come in assure you they are not for stopping viruses.   But you prefer to be informed by rachael maddow. Which means you are misinformed.

Likewise, you claim you got it BEFORE it was known to be in the US. BEFORE even your masters were talking about masks. So you're being hypocritical.

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 9:01 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 9:01 pm

But that was "oppressive" and "a thread to muh freedom."  So we needed a vaccine much sooner than otherwise.  Of course, the vaccine was met with the same idiots who thought masks didn't work.

The scientists are not the idiots. You are.

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 9:01 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 9:01 pm

I find your "stand your ground" position a bit wrong and woefully out of tune with reality.

Latest study out of israel (2.5 million participants, first world country known for top medical research) finds natural immunity 20 times stronger than your retarded experiment. And they should know - they played lab rat.

The biggest surges are happening where people are the most vaxxed.

Inconvenient truths, son. Inconvenient to your NARRATIVE. Convenient to those who prefer truth.

You are the flip side of the jaggov coin that blamed obama for ebola and zika. I called those clowns out, too - for politicizing medicine.

 https://i.postimg.cc/DyKskx1b/839878-CF ... 658069.jpg
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2022, 6:54 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 6:54 pm

I just don't understand why getting the first shots was the path of least resistance, but getting the next bunch will somehow NOT be the path of least resistance.

I am trying really hard to understand that - and I don't consider such an obvious question a "gotcha." It's a question that just self-presents, based on trying to follow the logic.

As I said, I am following what my circle is doing:
Fallible humans that work for a living for fallible humans that are following illogical protocols.

What they need me to do is not be yet another impediment and I am willing to do that.
For all anyone knows it's a useless vaccine against a non-dangerous disease.
That's as plausible as any other statistic I'v seen so far.

btw
I wasn't accusing YOU of those things at all. Your questions seem earnest.
I'm trying, perhaps unsuccessfully, to explain that my decision has always rested with the people around me.

Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2022, 9:26 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 9:26 pm

The peer reviewed science disagrees.

You're wrong, ****.  The numbers support masks big time.  Including the reson why we had a flu season that was 10% of the cases of the previous year.  Because we were masking up and social distancing against covid and reaping the benefits with the flu. 
 
 

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 8:44 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 8:44 pm

I've already been **** by Covid and by moronic conservatives.

I bet that cat in your avatar is a female cat ?

Surprisingly  . . .  she looks like one I've had.

I've have owned many cats  . . .  or rather  . . .  many cats have owned me in my life.

But with one in particular  . . .  we could communicate perfectly and used to discuss things  . . .  and understand each other.
Nothing about computers, technology or humans'  **** of that kind  . . .  

More like about the meaning of life.

And we always agreed that the less we do  . . .  other than eating and crapping  . . .  is the best life can offer.
We had him admitted to a veterinary hospital because he did not look good that day   -he was 14-   the same day the vet called me that it did not look good and he'd probably die soon.

On the way to the hospital I just about broke all the rules!
Went through red lights, ignored precedence, drove on sidewalks, passed cars on their left  . . .  almost ran over a few pedestrians  . . .  but when we reached he was already dead.

But still warm.

I've never held my wife responsible for not having him die in our arms  . . .  never once!

It just happened that after the veterinary's call I could not reach my wife as she had forgotten to take her phone with her, while walking our other pet.
So we lost precious minutes until I saw her coming back  . . .  drove like a mad man to her, hauled her into the car and went on a mad man ride to the hospital.

**** happens.

I never drive these days  . . .  but, back then  . . .  I won many a night race !
Even having the car ride on TWO wheels ! 

IkeBana » 09 Jan 2022, 9:33 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 9:33 pm

You're wrong, ****.  The numbers support masks big time.  Including the reson why we had a flu season that was 10% of the cases of the previous year.  Because we were masking up and social distancing against covid and reaping the benefits with the flu.

science says masks don't work

Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2022, 9:26 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 9:26 pm

Inconvenient truths, son. Inconvenient to your NARRATIVE. Convenient to those who prefer truth.

You are the flip side of the jaggov coin that blamed obama for ebola and zika. I called those clowns out, too - for politicizing medicine.


 

That's not completely true.   Percentagewise, Unvaccinated are more likely to die off.  that's pretty consistent. 
 

FJB » 09 Jan 2022, 9:34 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 9:34 pm

science says masks don't work

Which peer reviewed study said that?  
 

DeezerShoove » 09 Jan 2022, 3:16 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 3:16 pm

Regrets? No.

Vaccines are tracked after approval at least in part because we never know "everything".

In other words, it will continue to be experimental forever. In a "test phase". Subject to revision.

I am Pfizer vaxxed and boosted. 3 shots and I still don't give a **** who ever does it too.
Not my business any more than mine is theirs.

My tax dollars go to government lackies to put out PSA's.
My fellow citizen virtue signalers can go **** themselves just like those lackies.

If I desire to be employed now or in the future, the shot policy probably won't be kept secret.
I'd get the useless **** in order to make a living if the job was worth it to me.
Hell, as it is I got vaxxed for reasons having nothing to do with my income.

I make no judgement of others.
They are seeing the same confused **** that I am...
Valid concerns exist on both sides.

----

Population controlists:

Vax is meant to kill us off slowly or sterilize to affect the next generation's numbers.
or
Vax is the soon-to-be-needed antidote for "the compliant" people.
Super V is coming and will kill off the unvaxxed rebels.

See? Vax is death or Vax is life. Choose wisely.   

What he said.

Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2022, 9:26 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 9:26 pm

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 9:01 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 9:01 pm

It was so simple.  Wear a mask, Maintain social distance, quarantine if sick.

The peer reviewed science disagrees.

The very boxes that the masks come in assure you they are not for stopping viruses.   But you prefer to be informed by rachael maddow. Which means you are misinformed.


 

 

Don't worry about CP.  He lies constantly.

He's lying about the N95s because some jackass like him posted a picture of a box of dust masks from the Home Depot.
 

Vaccine regret? Hell no. Three shots of Pfizer, no issues, no side effects and ready for more if need be.

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 7:29 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 7:29 pm

Got Pfizer and the booster. Went into this knowing that Covid-19 is a novel virus that the immune system doesn't retain protection for more than a 3-6 months. Felt nothing each time. Much better than Covid-19 infection that I experienced in Feb 2020. And before you ask, The test didn't exist at the time. Doc heard my symptoms and agrees that I had it.

BULL ****.
YOU WENT INTO THIS KNOWING NOTHING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE.

Famagusta » 09 Jan 2022, 3:52 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 3:52 pm

I wasn’t really for it, but went along with it. 

After the second shot, I had all manner of strange side effects. Still have. 

And I always enjoyed good health before that.

Sorry to hear about your difficulties and I hope you continue to improve.
 
 

freeman » 10 Jan 2022, 9:17 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2022, 9:17 am

Sorry to hear about your difficulties and I hope you continue to improve.

That was a while ago. 

All seemed well (enough) till other issues stormed through. Totally unexpected. 

IkeBana » 09 Jan 2022, 4:30 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 4:30 pm

1.  Yes.
2.  So **** what.
3.  Nobody knows that because it's ****.
4.  Scientists have been working on mRNA vaccines for decades, including animal testing.
5.   If COVID-19 vaccines caused ADE, people who are vaccinated against COVID-19 would have more severe disease. This is not happening. On the contrary, people who are vaccinated typically have very mild disease or none at all. In fact, the majority of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. are people who aren't fully vaccinated. In May 2021, fully vaccinated people made up just 0.8% of COVID-19 deaths. That means 99.2% of COVID-19 deaths were in unvaccinated people.   - Nebraskamed.com

The OP is propaganda.

Thanks for being specific.
1. So you don't care what volume of toxic substances are compounded into your system in Big Pharma's grand experiment. But your immune system might. Original Antigenic Sin
2. So considering the risk VS benefit ratio is the only rational way to weigh the possible risks against the possible benefits. If a healthy person stands a one in a million or ten million chance of dying of COVID (having been prepared in advance for infection), then one may not deem it prudent to volunteer to be a test animal in the phase three trial of an unapproved, experimental, genetically engineered, chemically enhanced, innate immune response reprogramming, biological agents for which those that stand to profit are the same ones that "evaluated" their product, while being completely exempt from liability for all damages they cause.
Could Pfizer's vaccine's effectiveness be as low as 19% to 29%?
3. By now everybody should know that vaccinees can both become infected by as well as asymptomatically spread of COVID-19 unless their only source of information is Rachael Maddou. Where have you been? Why do you think recommendations came down for the vaxxed to mask up?
Did Big Pharma create hundreds of millions of ASYMPTOMATIC spreaders of COVID?