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IkeBana » 09 Jan 2022, 4:30 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 4:30 pm

1.  Yes.
2.  So **** what.
3.  Nobody knows that because it's ****.
4.  Scientists have been working on mRNA vaccines for decades, including animal testing.
5.   If COVID-19 vaccines caused ADE, people who are vaccinated against COVID-19 would have more severe disease. This is not happening. On the contrary, people who are vaccinated typically have very mild disease or none at all. In fact, the majority of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. are people who aren't fully vaccinated. In May 2021, fully vaccinated people made up just 0.8% of COVID-19 deaths. That means 99.2% of COVID-19 deaths were in unvaccinated people.   - Nebraskamed.com

The OP is propaganda.

4. And as you likely know all prior mRNA vaccines failed in the animal testing phase when ferrets died of vaccine-enhanced disease. Difference this time around being that you are the animal testing phase. That's why the FDA issued the specific still-standing warning that "risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown".
5. Jury is still out. Vaccinees "protection" needs to wane further and their immune systems need to be challenged by a wild viruses. Maybe by the end of the flu season we will have a bit more information. Until then they're just whistling past the graveyard.
And as long as the government gets away with lying about the numbers, and counting dead vaccinated people as being unvaxxed, it will be hard to tell. Just yesterday in a reply on this thread I noticed that young people may be dying at a higher rate than they had been when I ran the odds in May. I strongly suspect the jabs they've been getting are responsible for the increase in their death rate but will have to explore the data.

You are right about ignorant people dying. But whose fault is that? The carnage continues through ignorance and Big Pharma avarice. Yet 99+% of even the elderly and high-risk individuals that died, could have been saved through effective early treatment with HCQ and/or IVM protocols. This is not hyperbole but reality.
Secret formula eradicates COVID in India state of 230 million people

Far from propaganda the OP highlights the REALITY of the situation. It is the exact opposite of the propaganda that is responsible for the completely unnecessary deaths of 800,000 Americans and millions more worldwide by Big Pharma and their lackeys and censors. What would its purpose be as propaganda? to sell pills that can cost as little as 3 cents a dose as an early treatment alternative to $5,700 worth of Remdesivir?

Dr Brian Joondeph:

"Why after two years do we not have early outpatient treatment options for patients to keep them far away from IV lines and hospitals? Just as we do for diabetes, asthma, COPD, and a host of other diseases and conditions that are far better and cost effectively managed at home, keeping people away from currently overcrowded hospitals.

But we do have such treatment options. Yet they are condemned and disparaged by the medical establishment and media, in favor of fighting a potentially fatal disease with a spoonful of Nyquil followed by a wing and a prayer.

I speak of several medications, deemed safe and effective by the FDA for human use, although for non-COVID indications, COVID treatment being an off-label use. This is legal, ethical, and common in medicine. Think of Avastin for macular degeneration and diabetic retinopathy, the most used therapeutic, yet off-label for this purpose. Yet in the case of Covid, these options are banned by medical authorities with punishment doled out to those who dare prescribe them.

As a necessary disclaimer, I am not offering medical advice, only commenting on the current state of COVID treatment. All such treatment decisions should be made in consultation with your health care provider.

Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, ith decades of use, overwhelmingly safe when prescribed appropriately, are two such drugs. Then there are a host of over-the-counter supplements, including quercetin, zinc, vitamin C, vitamin D, and melatonin. There are also nasal sprays, gargles, and sinus rinses with dilute hydrogen peroxide or povidone-iodine. Most recently there have been reports about off label Viagra and antidepressant fluvoxamine (Luvox) having potential benefit for COVID.

I won’t belabor the hysteria over hydroxy, as in Fox News’s Neil Cavuto telling his audience, “It will kill you” or ivermectin described by the FDA as horse paste, which by the same logic, means oats and corn are horse food, despite both being part of a normal human diet.

The Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance seems to be only one of a few medical organizations offering an early outpatient treatment and prevention protocol to keep people out of the hospital and morgue. Yet the writers of Time call these medical professionals “bogus”.

So where are the vaunted clinical trials of these potential therapeutics? It took two months of vaccine trials for approval yet now almost two years into this, where are the NIH sponsored trials of these cheap and safe therapeutics?

Fortunately, others have done such trials. A meta-analysis of 73 ivermectin trials demonstrated, “Using the most serious outcome shows 66% [53‑76%] and 83% [74‑89%] improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis.”

HCQ is not effective when used very late with high dosages over a long period, effectiveness improves with earlier usage and improved dosing. Early treatment consistently shows positive effects.

 
 

This is not to argue against vaccines any more than to argue that the Air Force is the only way to win a war, excluding the Army, Navy, and Marines. With a nasty virus like COVID, it should be an all-hands-on deck approach. Instead, we have vaccines to prevent, which are not preventing the current Omicron variant, and late-stage treatment of those already in the hospital.

The missing black hole is those millions of patients with early positive disease who are offered nothing but good luck wishes. These treatments are generally safe, and while not a cure, are effective for many, as the studies demonstrate. We should be throwing everything we can at this disease, yet we are not. Why is that?

Is it that there are no huge profits available for cheap off-label drugs, unlike for vaccines and the newly approved or EUA therapeutics? Is this incompetence or personal and corporate greed? Or is it mass formation psychosis as recently described by Dr Robert Malone, one of the mRNA vaccine innovators?

What we are doing is the same thing over and over again, expecting different results, when reality says otherwise. What’s that the definition of?

As America approaches 1 million COVID deaths, we should by now be throwing the kitchen sink at this virus – vaccines, monoclonal antibodies, antivirals, and the cheap off-label zinc ionophores and supplements, that each play a role in keeping Americans from getting sick and dying. It should not be an either/or option but a thoughtful use of everything available. Patients kept out of the hospital live, many of those entering the hospital are damaged or die.

Yet here we are, almost two years into this pandemic, with a dozen claims by President Biden to “shut down the virus” only to set new daily case records last week, with a gaping hole in this important phase of COVID management. How will history judge this omission?'
 

freeman » 09 Jan 2022, 2:27 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 2:27 pm

To go directly to the questionnaire please skip to the followup post.
No shortage of uncensored videos and MSM articles feature people that had a bad experience with COVID, because instead of seeking effective early outpatient treatment they followed DD Fauci's "go home and isolate" with no treatment recommendation, until they started suffocating through a hyper-immune response to dead viral debris and required oxygen and hospitalization under the NIH "standard of 'care'". Some label their experience as "vaccine regret" because they regret not having taken the jab. But it cuts both ways.

The completely unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans in the mass-homicide that resulted from being deprived of effective early treatment, made it easy for Big Pharma's lackeys and fellow profiteers in government and their mainstream media to brainwash Americans with false propaganda and fear porn into believing that the leaky, rapidly waning, now less effective, strain-obsolete, mutant-creating, non-vaccines, were the only alternative to suffering serious symptoms of COVID.

This even though there have essentially been no deaths among even elderly and high-risk individuals, that were treated early on an outpatient basis by COVID-competent clinicians, with a multi-drug/nutraceutical protocol that included hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. So ever since at least March of 2020 it has been absurd for anyone to believe that vaccination has been the only option available for avoiding serious symptoms from COVID. Nipping symptoms in the bud is real key.

Now that our God-given right to free speech has been sacrificed on the alter of Big Pharma profits, it's no surprise that hundreds of thousands of vaccinees have been censored by Big Tech and the MSM for reporting adverse reactions to vaccination, with a 120,000 member user-group having been disappeared from Facebook alone. The odds of finding a related video on YouTube are essentially nil. Even as tens or hundreds of thousands of vaccine deaths and millions of adverse reactions, are only those that have been reported, worldwide.
 
 

Full me once shame on society, full me twice shame on my ancestry, keep me acting fooled cradle to grave shame on me.

Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2022, 5:41 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 5:41 pm

Come come, now. In for a penny, in for a pound. 

To turn down more shots is a tacit admission of error. Can't have that.

Isn't everybody allowed to live and learn? A lot of people believed that they were getting the equivalent of a smallpox or polio vaccine with sterilizing immunity immunity.
Now that the truth is increasingly coming out, like that J&J jab goes from 88% effective to 3% effective in just 6 months, it's easy to see why someone would think they were sold a bill of goods. Let alone that Pfizer may never have been much more than 19% effective if they had included the suspected trial participants (no wonder they want to hide their data for 55 years).
Could Pfizer's vaccine's effectiveness be as low as 19% to 29%?
Perhaps at best sinking to 42% effective against the first variant to test it.
Pfizer-BioNTech effectiveness down to 42% Moderna down to 76%
So it's a fluid situation as the virus peters out and the non-vaccines increasingly demonstrate their relative worthlessness. Add to that the fact that vaccinees are far more dangerous to society than unvaccinated, because they can spread COVID asymptomatically. I'm guessing that lots of people are in the "not gonna happen again" camp regarding to volunteering to be a Big Pharma test ferret.

 
 

Pengwin » 09 Jan 2022, 5:50 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 5:50 pm

1. Use current numbers if you link to a site with them.

2. You mentioned the number to get to 5 in a million, not me.

And you have such a diminished mental capacity and absence of ability to think critically, that you believe that 20 in 80,000 kids (.025%) would somehow be significant enough to result in a substantive change to the 5 out of a million odds conclusion?
Or did you think that 5 in a million was somehow an exact figure?

freeman » 10 Jan 2022, 1:46 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2022, 1:46 pm

And you have such a diminished mental capacity and absence of ability to think critically, that you believe that 20 in 80,000 kids (.025%) would somehow be significant enough to result in a substantive change to the 5 out of a million odds conclusion?
Or did you think that 5 in a million was somehow an exact figure?

I think if you're going to link to numbers try and get the ****' numbers right so others can check your math, *******.
 
There's nothing unreasonable about that...

freeman » 10 Jan 2022, 1:34 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2022, 1:34 pm

Isn't everybody allowed to live and learn? A lot of people believed that they were getting the equivalent of a smallpox or polio vaccine with sterilizing immunity immunity.
Now that the truth is increasingly coming out, like that J&J jab goes from 88% effective to 3% effective in just 6 months, it's easy to see why someone would think they were sold a bill of goods. Let alone that Pfizer may never have been much more than 19% effective if they had included the suspected trial participants (no wonder they want to hide their data for 55 years).
Could Pfizer's vaccine's effectiveness be as low as 19% to 29%?
Perhaps at best sinking to 42% effective against the first variant to test it.
Pfizer-BioNTech effectiveness down to 42% Moderna down to 76%
So it's a fluid situation as the virus peters out and the non-vaccines increasingly demonstrate their relative worthlessness. Add to that the fact that vaccinees are far more dangerous to society than unvaccinated, because they can spread COVID asymptomatically. I'm guessing that lots of people are in the "not gonna happen again" camp regarding to volunteering to be a Big Pharma test ferret.

They wont listen to you sweetie.. I give up trying. you post good posts.. but what I've learned most of the snowflakes wont even read it... simple minds.

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 7:29 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 7:29 pm

Got Pfizer and the booster. Went into this knowing that Covid-19 is a novel virus that the immune system doesn't retain protection for more than a 3-6 months.
 

Avoid the brainwashing lies. Change the channel and return to reality.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News ... spx/309762

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?
Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.
David Rosenberg , Jul 13 , 2021 9:24 AM   

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave."
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2022, 7:41 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 7:41 pm

Then you had natural immunity - which you squandered foolishly.

Worse than that, dangerously so. People with prior infection and natural immunity are far more likely to suffer an adverse reaction to the jabs than those that were not previously infected.
"..under no circumstances should a COVID recovered person undergo vaccination."

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 7:44 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 7:44 pm

That natural immunity left me struggling to breath on my own living room floor. It's easy to dismiss the Covid-19 if you HAVE never had it.

I realized my question wasn't fair because you were likely infected in February of 2020.
So what did your doctor do for you? How was your illness treated?

Nobody knew much back then and Didier Raoult was just beginning his work with HCQ and azithromycin (though without the zinc he got slightly less than stellar results).

Having suffered as you did, what is your plan for the next time you become symptomatic?
 

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 8:24 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 8:24 pm

Here's the thing. Febuary 2020, Everyone thought Covid-19 wasn't here yet.  Trump, stable genius that he is, didn't think of quarantining Americans coming back from overseas.

What a self-serving moronic short memory. The democrats and their media went nuts on Trump, labeling him racist and xenophobe, for even having restricted people from coming from China.
 

JinnMartini » 09 Jan 2022, 8:24 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 8:24 pm

Big Pharma is Big Business !

And they'll stop at nothing, including crimes against humanity and genocide, for profit.
Are those that get the "jab" even aware of Pfizer's history of criminal conduct?

 Particularly the trillions they will make going forward in treatment of cancer and heart problems from having compromised immune systems around the world.
mRNA vaxx - functional reprogramming of innate immune responses- favoring cancer

By now it should be obvious that the only reason they want everybody vaxxed, is so that there is no surviving unvaccinated control group.
 
 

freeman » 10 Jan 2022, 2:17 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2022, 2:17 pm

...for even having restricted people from coming from China.

Which he didn't since 40,000 came in after his "restrictions" took effect.

Look it up.

 
 

freeman » 10 Jan 2022, 2:09 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2022, 2:09 pm

How many days did you let go by while doing nothing about your illness?
Which early treatment remedies did you try as soon as you became symptomatic?

While she couldn't breath I'm sure she ran right down the Tractor Supply for some Horse Dewormer...
 

ScottMon » 09 Jan 2022, 8:28 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 8:28 pm

Suddenly, Capitalism is bad?  Wow.  For decades All I;ve heard from Conservatives is "Let the Free Markst fix it." and "Government needs to deregulate our businesses."  And now we have Big Pharma.

It's not capitalism. It's government-pharma fascism.
 

freeman » 10 Jan 2022, 2:17 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2022, 2:17 pm

What a self-serving moronic short memory. The democrats and their media went nuts on Trump, labeling him racist and xenophobe, for even having restricted people from coming from China.

And yet, Americans were allowed to return from China, Thus bringing Covid to our shores.  
 

freeman » 10 Jan 2022, 2:09 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2022, 2:09 pm

How many days did you let go by while doing nothing about your illness?
Which early treatment remedies did you try as soon as you became symptomatic?

It hit me hard and I was helpless for days.  I was too weak to do anything but sleep.  
 

IkeBana » 09 Jan 2022, 9:33 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2022, 9:33 pm

You're wrong, ****.  The numbers support masks big time.  Including the reson why we had a flu season that was 10% of the cases of the previous year.  Because we were MISDIAGNOSING FLU AS COVID.

FTFY, ****.

freeman » 10 Jan 2022, 2:26 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2022, 2:26 pm

It's not capitalism. It's government-pharma fascism.

Oh, Its free market allright.  The government didn't force pharmaceutical companies to make the vaccine.