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Crazytrain » 15 Feb 2022, 10:31 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 10:31 pm

So you think Russia should be able to tell any nation what orgs. They can enter into to protect their country. 

I don't.

so you agree that countries have a right to protect themselves?

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https://www.nytimes.com/article/russia- ... urope.html


The Russian president calls NATO’s expansion menacing, and the prospect of Ukraine joining it an existential threat to his country. As Russia has grown more assertive and stronger militarily, his complaints about NATO have grown more strident. He has repeatedly invoked the specter of American ballistic missiles and combat forces in Ukraine, though U.S., Ukrainian and NATO officials insist there are none.

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jerrab » 15 Feb 2022, 11:09 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:09 pm

biden knows exactly what will happen when ukraine joins nato. that is why he is telling americans to get out of ukraine. ukraine will  be doomed.

biden doesn't care about the people in ukraine or else he would tell them it would be a bad idea to join nato,

jerrab » 15 Feb 2022, 11:24 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:24 pm

biden doesn't care about the people in ukraine or else he would tell them it would be a bad idea to join nato,

Leave that up to the Ukrainian people to decide. 

Crazytrain » 15 Feb 2022, 11:32 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:32 pm

Leave that up to the Ukrainian people to decide.

I think someone is forcing them to join.

why would they be so intent on committing suicide?

and if you believe no american soldier will be killed I have certain bridge to sell.
 

jerrab » 15 Feb 2022, 11:38 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:38 pm

I think someone is forcing them to join.

why would they be so intent on committing suicide?

and if you believe no american soldier will be killed I have certain bridge to sell.

Why would we force them to join. We can hit Russia from Germany and Poland. We would ride right through Ukraine if they wanted us to or not. Them joining is not important. 

Now if they want to join that's up to them. 

Crazytrain » 15 Feb 2022, 11:32 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:32 pm

Leave that up to the Ukrainian people to decide.

--------------------------------------(Reuters) -Ukraine could drop its bid to join NATO to avoid war with Russia, the BBC quoted the country's ambassador to Britain as saying, in what would amount to a major concession to Moscow in response to the build-up of Russian troops on its borders.Ambassador Vadym Prystaiko told the BBC Ukraine was willing to be "flexible" over its goal to join the Atlantic military alliance, a move Russian President Vladimir Putin has said would be a trigger for war.

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no more pressure from anyone.

jerrab » 15 Feb 2022, 11:46 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:46 pm

--------------------------------------(Reuters) -Ukraine could drop its bid to join NATO to avoid war with Russia, the BBC quoted the country's ambassador to Britain as saying, in what would amount to a major concession to Moscow in response to the build-up of Russian troops on its borders.Ambassador Vadym Prystaiko told the BBC Ukraine was willing to be "flexible" over its goal to join the Atlantic military alliance, a move Russian President Vladimir Putin has said would be a trigger for war.

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no more pressure from anyone.

Well he says that he wanted to join. 

I think that Putin shodnt for e them not to if they so wish to join. 

Bad bad Putin for forcing ukraine to not join a treaty they wished to join. 
 

Crazytrain » 15 Feb 2022, 11:40 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:40 pm

Why would we force them to join. We can hit Russia from Germany and Poland. We would ride right through Ukraine if they wanted us to or not. Them joining is not important. 

Now if they want to join that's up to them.

not really from poland or germany without going through ukraine,


 

I think Russia is forcing Ukraine to not join NATO when Ukraine wanted to join.

Crazytrain » 15 Feb 2022, 11:49 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:49 pm

Well he says that he wanted to join. 

I think that Putin shodnt for e them not to if they so wish to join. 

Bad bad Putin for forcing ukraine to not join a treaty they wished to join.

so what? if they decide it is in their best interest not to join  then they are smart.

someone is forcing them to join I bet.



 

jerrab » 15 Feb 2022, 11:56 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:56 pm

so what? if they decide it is in their best interest not to join  then they are smart.

someone is forcing them to join I bet.

Yeah only after threatening to kill the Ukraine government.  And you say that isn't for info them to not join. 

Using military force is forcing them. 
 

Crazytrain » 15 Feb 2022, 11:58 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:58 pm

Yeah only after threatening to kill the Ukraine government.  And you say that isn't for info them to not join. 

Using military force is forcing them.

why would they even consider such a risky move in the first place?
 

Crazytrain » 15 Feb 2022, 11:58 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:58 pm

Yeah only after threatening to kill the Ukraine government.  And you say that isn't for info them to not join. 

Using military force is forcing them.

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jerrab » 16 Feb 2022, 12:05 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2022, 12:05 am

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Well it's good to have allies that will protect you from invasion. Don't you think?

Crazytrain » 15 Feb 2022, 11:58 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022, 11:58 pm

Yeah only after threatening to kill the Ukraine government.  And you say that isn't for info them to not join. 

Using military force is forcing them.

this should be between russia and ukraine,

america should stay out of it.

jerrab » 16 Feb 2022, 12:07 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2022, 12:07 am

this should be between russia and ukraine,

america should stay out of it.

Russia did the very thing Ukraine wanted to join NATO. For. Protecting themselves from Russian invasion. 
 

Crazytrain » 16 Feb 2022, 12:07 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2022, 12:07 am

Well it's good to have allies that will protect you from invasion. Don't you think?

we can send them military equipment.

And I'll fight for Ukraine ability to make that decision without Russia bullying them.

Crazytrain » 16 Feb 2022, 12:09 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2022, 12:09 am

Russia did the very thing Ukraine wanted to join NATO. For. Protecting themselves from Russian invasion.

russia showed what would happen if ukraine joined nato.

jerrab » 16 Feb 2022, 12:11 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2022, 12:11 am

russia showed what would happen if ukraine joined nato.

Russia bullied a smaller country into doing something they didn't want to do. 

And now they see why they should join NATO.