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Just as I called it about a month ago.

 

Crazytrain » 20 Feb 2022, 6:35 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2022, 6:35 pm

We are still waiting on Putin to decide if he wants to kill white people yet.

 

Neo » 20 Feb 2022, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2022, 6:40 pm

Wtf does that even mean?

What it means is that many so-called "American" Trump loving, reich winged Putin supporters, defenders, and apologists, identify more with Russians than with their fellow Americans, ESPECIALLY Americans who are non white.  Hell, many of them don't even CONSIDER minorities, Americans. McConnell made that clear himself when he juxtaposed Black voters with "Americans." 

They identify racially to Russians, and also, increasingly, ideologically in their endorsement of authoritarian government. Hence why fkrs like Carlson push Putin/Kremlin talking points, and so-called "patriots" say and do stupid **** - like that petition they drummed up in Alaska awhile back seeking to become a part of Russia. 

And none of this is by accident. Fact is, Putin deliberately appealed to the racial white nationalistic sentiments that had long festered, only slightly disguised under what before was dog whistle rhetoric, within the right.  A deliberate plan (like all despots) to divide and conquer via the use of fear and HATE. 

And Trump's rise to power, Russia's involvement in the 2016 (and subsequent elections),  Trump's close ties to Russia and subservience to Putin in particular, even to the point of discrediting America's own intelligence and military  were the culmination of that PLAN.  Again, NONE of it occurring by accident. 

So the point being MADE is HOW do America's Putin loving TROLLS and reich wingers who'd "rather be Russian than Democrat" reconcile the fact the Russia is moving on the Ukraine, another country supposedly of like "kinship"?? How will they spin THAT? 

The reason why Putin can make war on the Ukraine resulting in the mass casualties and destabilization of "kindred" spirits is really quite simple. It is what he LONG wanted to do. Re-establish the USSR.  Racial kinship doesn't mean jack ****, no more than it did for Hitler. Nor would it if Putin thought he could nuke America and get away with it - "rather be Russians" and all. 

It's about POWER and CONTROL.  And despots and authoritarians do whatever it takes to ensure they MAINTAIN it, even if they have to wipe out their own - in an act of war, or via lies, obstruction, obfuscation, and incitements.

Like those that result in the unnecessary deaths of HUNDREDS of thousands from a killer virus - deaths of people who, in the eyes of their "fuehrers," are expendable... ready and willing to die on behalf of the lies they are fed.

 
 

"WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?"

How Vladimir Putin Became the Hero of Nationalists Everywhere - The Atlantic Trump Putin connections to American alt right and white nationalists - Business Insider Why Angry White America Fell for Putin | Vanity Fair Extremists Turn to a Leader to Protect Western Values: Vladimir Putin - The New York Times Will Trump join Putin's international white nationalist movement? - AMERICAblog News Alt-right connections to Putin and Russia - Business Insider Russian, American white nationalists raise their flags in Washington – ThinkProgress Putin Nationalist to Appear With US White Supremacists At Far-Right Conference American neo-Nazis believe Vladimir Putin is the heralded savior of white people — here’s why Trump Supporters View Russia as Global Beacon of White Nationalism

America’s Ukraine Hypocrisy

The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking.

AUGUST 6, 2017

By Ted Galen Carpenter--Cato Institute

"There is an abundance of outrage in the United States about Russia’s alleged meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Multiple investigations are taking place, and Moscow’s conduct was a major justification for the sanctions legislation that Congress just passed. Some furious political figures and members of the media insist that the Putin government’s interference constitutes an act of war. One especially agitated House member even compared it explicitly to the Pearl Harbor and 9/11 attacks.

Such umbrage might be more credible if the United States refrained from engaging in similar conduct. But the historical record shows that Washington has meddled in the political affairs of dozens of countries—including many democracies. An egregious example occurred in Ukraine during the Euromaidan Revolution of 2014...

Washington’s conduct not only constituted meddling, it bordered on micromanagement. At one point, Pyatt mentioned the complex dynamic among the three principal opposition leaders, Yatsenyuk, Oleh Tyahnybok, and Vitali Klitschko. Both Pyatt and Nuland wanted to keep Tyahnybok and Klitschko out of an interim government. In the former case, they worried about his extremist ties; in the latter, they seemed to want him to wait and make a bid for office on a longer‐​term basis. Nuland stated that “I don’t think Klitsch should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary.” She added that what Yatseniuk needed “is Klitsch and Tyanhybok on the outside.”

The two diplomats also were prepared to escalate the already extensive U.S. involvement in Ukraine’s political turbulence. Pyatt stated bluntly that “we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing [the political transition].” Nuland clearly had Vice President Joe Biden in mind for that role. Noting that the vice president’s national security adviser was in direct contact with her, Nuland related that she told him “probably tomorrow for an atta‐​boy and to get the details to stick. So Biden’s willing.”

Both the Obama administration and most of the American news media portrayed the Euromaidan Revolution as a spontaneous, popular uprising against a corrupt and brutal government.

A February 24, 2014, Washington Post editorial celebrated the Maidan demonstrators and their successful campaign to overthrow Yanukovych. The “moves were democratic,” the Washington Post concluded, and “Kiev is now controlled by pro‐​Western parties.”

It was a grotesque distortion to portray the events in Ukraine as a purely indigenous, popular uprising. The Nuland‐​Pyatt telephone conversation and other actions confirm that the United States was considerably more than a passive observer to the turbulence. Instead, U.S. officials were blatantly meddling in Ukraine. Such conduct was utterly improper. The United States had no right to try to orchestrate political outcomes in another country—especially one on the border of another great power. It is no wonder that Russia reacted badly to the unconstitutional ouster of an elected, pro‐​Russian government—an ouster that occurred not only with Washington’s blessing, but apparently with its assistance.

That episode, as well as earlier ones involving Italy, France and other democratic countries, should be kept in mind the next time U.S. political leaders or the media publicly fume about Russia’s apparent interference in America’s 2016 elections. One can legitimately condemn some aspects of Moscow’s behavior, but the force of America’s moral outrage is vitiated by the stench of U.S. hypocrisy."
 

So, for the US assistance in the overthrow of a democratically elected President of Ukraine, crackedhead hunter was given a lucrative seat on Burisma's board at $85,000/month.

After the US backed Maidan Revolution in Ukraine, Russia moved to protect its only warm water port in Crimea.

Crazytrain » 22 Feb 2022, 3:53 am » wrote: ↑

22 Feb 2022, 3:53 am

I guess the republicans want Biden to be weak like trump.

Exposing your ignorance once again, I see.
Wasn't it Trump who gave Javelin missiles and other defensive armaments to Ukraine to defend themselves, while Obama gave them nothing but blankets?  Didn't Trump crush the Russian economy by opening up so much drilling and fracking in the US that we became energy independent and would now be the supplier of oil and gas to our European allies instead of making them dependent on Russia for that energy?  And didn't the wife of the mayor of Moscow give Joe's crackhead son Hunter a $3.5 MILLION bribe for "consulting fees"?  And wasn't it Joe Biden who threatened to cancel a billion dollar aid package to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor who was closing in on the illegal actions of Burisma, the company Hunter was an owner of?  And wasn't it yet ANOTHER Democrat hero of yours named Bubba Clinton who forced Ukraine to give their nukes back to Russia with the promise that we would defend Ukraine from Russia and now we've broken that stupid promise?  And aren't you aware of how many hundreds of billions Russia is now making over and above what the sold their oil for under Trump, now that the Russian price of oil is nearly $100 a barrel again since Biden intentionally killed so much of our oil and gas production that's caused OUR people to have to pay double for a gallon of gas in just over a year?  And don't you believe how much higher that world oil price will go the minute Putin invades Ukraine, making Putin billions richer, which is far more than he'll be hurt by any of those useless "sanctions" you stupidly believe will affect him?

And yet you have the delusion that Biden is somehow being tougher on Putin than Trump was?

You'd have to be the biggest and most gullible moron on earth if you believe what you're being fed by the Trump-hating media! 
 
 

Jinn Martini » 21 Feb 2022, 9:56 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2022, 9:56 pm

And who is supposed to do that ?

Nobody has too, you defeated yourself standing against natural time and biological result. Absolute corruption defeats itself while the corrupt never see their end arrive until it is over and done with.

Blindsided by hope, faith, charity pathways to power, wealth, fame selling ideas life is too difficult to navigate as one of a kind now. Your reality instills mayhem, madness, misery as you pretend to be outside the boxed in social narratives of who's who this generation.

thing is there are members of 5 generations occupying time now and only evolving while adapting to the moment here.

God/\doG
Now/\woN/\owN my sole time being me. You are imprisoned maintaining doubt to save your intellectual rank in symbolism over substance reality. I understand both real evolving and relative ranking to time displaced so far in series parallel events.

How/\wHo? me, myself, and I.

DeezerShoove » 27 Jan 2022, 8:59 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2022, 8:59 am

Better them than us...

I'd say they've already invaded us. Just not in a militaristic manner. So far.

And I don't think it's over.

So all the right wing era that said this was all wrong and they have pictures of the border that shown no troops. You were wrong.

Neo » 27 Jan 2022, 9:27 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2022, 9:27 am

I think Russia wants security guarantees that they were promised before dropping the iron curtain.  We agreed to not expand nato one inch eastward, we reneged on that promise. Ukraine is their red line.

Amd Russia made a deal with Ukraine of they gave their nukes back to not invade. The Russian broke that. 

Jantje_Smit » 27 Jan 2022, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2022, 9:29 am

About that Russian invasion threat.... it doesn't exist... this guy is quite good at debunking propaganda..

 

A 'Parthogenetic' Conflict - There Is No Russian Invasion Threat To Ukraine

...Based on such pictures Politico, for example, headlined on November 1:Satellite images show new Russian military buildup near Ukraine

The deployments come as tension is rising between Moscow and the West.

"New commercial satellite photos taken on Monday confirm recent reports that Russia is once again massing troops and military equipment on the border with Ukraine after a major buildup this spring.

The new images taken by Maxar Technologies and shared with POLITICO show a buildup of armored units, tanks and self-propelled artillery along with ground troops massing near the Russian town of Yelnya close to the border of Belarus. The units, which began moving in late September from other areas of Russia where they are normally based, include the elite 1st Guards Tank Army."

Yelnya is 250 kilometers (150 mi) north of the nearest Ukrainian border, not 'close' to it.The piece included this picture:



 The picture shows parts of the regular storage area of the 144th Mechanized Division near Yelnya, Smolensk Oblast. The divisions was established in 2016-2017 on the basis of the former 28th Mechanized Brigade (Yekaterinburg).

 This is a large formation with hundreds of vehicles. The division's forces include i.a. two mechanized regiments, one tank regiment, one recon battalion, one self-propelled artillery regiment, one anti-tank artillery battalion as well as supplementary forces.

 Here is an uncropped picture of the whole area. It shows large size barracks at the top right and parking grounds for each of its subunits. The barracks roads and facilities were not built over night. The above picture was cropped to only show the lower middle part of the picture below...

 

No Russian on the border huh Smitty. 

Crazytrain » 23 Feb 2022, 6:13 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2022, 6:13 am

Amd Russia made a deal with Ukraine of they gave their nukes back to not invade. The Russian broke that.

LIAR!!!  The US broke it!!!

By READING EAGLE | news@readingeagle.com |
February 18, 2022 at 9:30 a.m.

Editor:
Democratic policies created the Ukraine crisis. President Bill Clinton and the State Department convinced Ukraine to give up 2,000 nuclear weapons in 1994 in return for a U.S. promise of deterrence and support. Had Ukraine kept any nukes, a Russian invasion would be unlikely.

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden provided blankets and humanitarian aid to Ukraine, not weapons or military assistance, when the Russians took Crimea from them in 2014 and Putin saw the U.S. was unwilling to meet its commitments to an ally.

Biden and the Green New Deal Democrats have revoked pipeline permits and increased taxes, fees, and regulations on fossil fuels leading to high energy prices and causing the U.S. to once again become energy dependent on foreign countries.

Russia, one of the world’s largest energy producers, is reaping tremendous economic benefits by threatening an invasion. If the Russians invade Ukraine, energy prices go even higher, and they capture vast mineral and energy resources and farmlands. If they don’t, the threat of invasion drives energy costs ever higher, because Biden is throttling U.S. energy industries that would otherwise provide a counterbalance.

Until Democratic policies are discarded, high energy prices and inflation are here to stay.

Greg Sterling
Upper Tulpehocken Township
 
 

Yeah it's the democrats fault that Trump is kissing Putin's ***.

You gotta be kidding me.

Trump said this is genius.

Welcoming Putin to do more.


Not one bad word about Putin taking over part of Ukraine and installing puppet leaders.

Crazytrain » 23 Feb 2022, 7:15 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2022, 7:15 am

Yeah it's the democrats fault that Trump is kissing Putin's ***.

You gotta be kidding me.

Trump is NOT kissing Putin's ***, ****!!! He is just saying we should use that same strategy on our Southern border.  

Braindead biden, his puppet masters and the deep state are all doing their best to get the US into a war with Russia while ignoring, or trying to deflect from, domestic problems here, ESPECIALLY THE INVASION TAKING PLACE AT THE US' SOUTHERN BORDER!!!

**** JOKE BIDEN!!!

**** YOU!!!
 

Buffalo » 23 Feb 2022, 7:22 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2022, 7:22 am

Trump is NOT kissing Putin's ***, ****!!! He is just saying we should use that same strategy on our Southern border.  

Braindead biden, his puppet masters and the deep state are all doing their best to get the US into a war with Russia while ignoring, or trying to deflect from, domestic problems here, ESPECIALLY THE INVASION TAKING PLACE AT THE US' SOUTHERN BORDER!!!

**** JOKE BIDEN!!!

**** YOU!!!

Well trump loves Putin. Trump welcomes more action from Putin so he can kiss the other cheek. 
 

So Smitty was totally wrong about Russian troops at the border.

Crazytrain » 23 Feb 2022, 7:25 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2022, 7:25 am

Well trump loves Putin. Trump welcomes more action from Putin so he can kiss the other cheek.

If that were true, which it is not, what in the hell does that have to do with the disaster at the US' Southern border?  Besides, what the hell do you care what Trump does?  You need to focus on the big **** up braindead biden and his merry band of puppet masters are instigating.

Yep, I bet Putin really loved Trump when Trump's energy policies as POTUS was causing oil to sell at $37/bbl instead of braindead biden's gift to Putin of now upwards of $90/bbl when oil and gas sales account for 36% of Russia's revenue.  Putin is playing braindead biden for the stooge he is!!!

From slick willie to the magic negro and braindead biden, the US has been meddling in Ukrainian inter affairs and election interference.  It is any wonder that Putin would move to protect his western border from more US (NATO) incursions (interference)?  

The US should tend to it's domestic troubles and take Washington's advice mind our own **** business with respect to foreign affairs!!!

 
 

Crazytrain » 23 Feb 2022, 7:15 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2022, 7:15 am

Yeah it's the democrats fault that Trump is kissing Putin's ***.

You gotta be kidding me.

Trump has not only KISSED Putin's ***, Trump's head is all UP Putin's ***. So are the heads of all of these "rather be Russian than Democrats" rushing in to defend Putin with various forms of SPIN trying to make it out to be the fault of Democrats.

But then I told you last night they were going to come up with whatever SPIN they could to justify it.  And boy, today we've heard some CRAY CRAY **** today:

Everything from INSANILY McEnany making the absurd claim that Putin has no greater support than the Democrats (silly wench),

to Putin cheerleaders Hawley and Carlson (the latter who's still kissing Putin's *** for an interview, ('cause interviewing DESPOTS is little fkr Carlson's most favorite thing to do - when he's not making misogynistic attacks upon women of color that is),

to Fox's Greg Palkot asking some ******* **** like "can we prove Russians are in the Ukraine,"

to Lindsey Graham's sick fk Hitler analogy in an attempt to attack Biden on behalf of Putin. 

Not to mention self loathing daft b------------, Hitler apologist, and all around house -----------, Candace Owens, who's running with the "It's America's fault" spin, and who, just the other day, said American. troops should invade Canada on behalf of swastika painting truckers.   

Not to mention Trump, who gushed like a school girl over his idol's sheer "genius" and how the U.S. should've done something similar at our southern border (whatever the **** THAT means). 

And more **** crazy reich winged, pro-Putin propaganda is SURE to follow. 

Regardless, Bottom line, 1) Putin ALWAYS had his sights set on the taking of the Ukraine, and 2) NATO nations were supporting those Ukrainians who WANTED to join the EU, just like Russia was instigating those who DIDN'T.