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I thank my parents every day. I was born white, without that criminal, animalistic brain.

Neo » 26 Feb 2022, 9:03 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2022, 9:03 am

Cite one law or policy on the books that allows discrimination by race other than white? You are correct though, I should have said there is no systemic racism against blacks. Affirmative Action is codified racism. Admission standards discriminate against Asians. Something must be done!!

Right. systemic racism doesn't exist. studies proving it does are all "fake news"... climate change isn't real either.... and the election was "stolen."

Fantasies and "alternate realities" of the fascist right who believe the BIG LIE becomes the truth... if they say it often enough.  Crazy b----------ds.

DeplorablePatriot » 26 Feb 2022, 11:56 am » wrote: ↑

26 Feb 2022, 11:56 am

I thank my parents every day. I was born white, without that criminal, animalistic brain.

Yeah. You're a REAL CREDIT TO THE RACE, aren't you, pal.

Them elitist schools got all that money, it's no mystery why we should stop giving money to poor public schools.
If we did, they'd become elitist too!

Rightwing logic is toxic.
And the truth is these millionaire Senators sit and don't do **** about this!
But they still somehow stay in the Senate forever somehow.
Doesn't anybody ever wake up one day and realize all this ****?

In Europe they spend something like 14 thousand a year for preschool per child.
In the US, almost nothing.
Studies show that paying for preschool pays dividends.
It reduces crime on our city streets.

Doesn't anybody care about this ****?
Mitch, Lindsay, hell Lamar you were supposed to be an educator
what the ****? Oh, Lamar, you retired, I guess you don't have to say
what the **** is up anymore these days.
Nice job Lamar, go **** yourself you old turd!
If only I had 2 minutes to debate you with all you did while you were in the Senate,
I think I'd be wasting 2 minutes of my time.

OlderGuy » 27 Feb 2022, 2:44 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2022, 2:44 am

Them elitist schools got all that money, it's no mystery why we should stop giving money to poor public schools.
If we did, they'd become elitist too!

Rightwing logic is toxic.
And the truth is these millionaire Senators sit and don't do **** about this!
But they still somehow stay in the Senate forever somehow.
Doesn't anybody ever wake up one day and realize all this ****?

In Europe they spend something like 14 thousand a year for preschool per child.
In the US, almost nothing.
Studies show that paying for preschool pays dividends.
It reduces crime on our city streets.

Doesn't anybody care about this ****?
Mitch, Lindsay, hell Lamar you were supposed to be an educator
what the ****? Oh, Lamar, you retired, I guess you don't have to say
what the **** is up anymore these days.
Nice job Lamar, go **** yourself you old turd!
If only I had 2 minutes to debate you with all you did while you were in the Senate,
I think I'd be wasting 2 minutes of my time.

 

Thanks for pointing that out, OG. Because many on the right (as one did earlier in this thread), and even some on the left are quick to claim so much has been spent on education in the U.S. 

In reality, when compared to other highly industrialized nations, teachers' salaries are (depending on which study you view) are in either eight or ninth place from the top salaried countries. In one of the world's richest countries.

And the same studies indicate that in order for teachers' salaries to match the highest paid salaries, they would have to INCREASE BY 40 TO 60 PERCENT.

Further proof (imo) that America doesn't REALLY give a flying about their kid's education.

And this whole phony CRT thing and the other attacks upon education from the right are essentially to achieve another goal of theirs.  That being, the SAME people who lament "government handouts" want EXACTLY THAT.

They want VOUCHERS to send their kids to private and parochial schools for FREE.

B.See » 27 Feb 2022, 1:24 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2022, 1:24 am

Right. systemic racism doesn't exist. studies proving it does are all "fake news"... climate change isn't real either.... and the election was "stolen."

Fantasies and "alternate realities" of the fascist right who believe the BIG LIE becomes the truth... if they say it often enough.  Crazy b----------ds.

Why would a study be needed to prove systemic racism real when all one has to do is cite a law or policy that discriminates against citizens based on minority status? All I see are laws and policies that do the exact opposite.  Name a single law or systemic policy that discriminates against blacks. 
 

 
 

B.See » 27 Feb 2022, 3:11 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2022, 3:11 am

Thanks for pointing that out, OG. Because many on the right (as one did earlier in this thread), and even some on the left are quick to claim so much has been spent on education in the U.S. 

In reality, when compared to other highly industrialized nations, teachers' salaries are (depending on which study you view) are in either eight or ninth place from the top salaried countries. In one of the world's richest countries.

And the same studies indicate that in order for teachers' salaries to match the highest paid salaries, they would have to INCREASE BY 40 TO 60 PERCENT.

Further proof (imo) that America doesn't REALLY give a flying about their kid's education.

And this whole phony CRT thing and the other attacks upon education from the right are essentially to achieve another goal of theirs.  That being, the SAME people who lament "government handouts" want EXACTLY THAT.

They want VOUCHERS to send their kids to private and parochial schools for FREE.

Why pay the 8th or ninth highest wages to American teachers who are churning out students finishing 24th or 25th in STEM testing? Want better pay? Deliver a better result. 
 

Neo » 27 Feb 2022, 7:32 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2022, 7:32 am

Why would a study be needed to prove systemic racism real when all one has to do is cite a law or policy that discriminates against citizens based on minority status? All I see are laws and policies that do the exact opposite.  Name a single law or systemic policy that discriminates against blacks.

Systemic racism doesn't have to be rooted in law to be a FACT. In fact it often exists even when laws are created to COMBAT IT.

Either you know that as well as I do and are just PLAYING IGNORANT, or you're WOEFULLY MISINFORMED.  I've HUNDREDS of articles on the subject, but posting it for those living in alternate reich winged DENIALISM such as YOURSELF, who'd only  REJECT THE PROOF.would be a fkng waste of time.

So I'll just leave you with ONE example:

Job Applicants With ‘Black Names’ Still Less Likely to Get the Interview - Bloomberg
Job Applicants With ‘Black Names’ Still Less Likely to Get Interviews - BNN Bloomberg

 
 

Neo » 27 Feb 2022, 7:37 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2022, 7:37 am

Why pay the 8th or ninth highest wages to American teachers who are churning out students finishing 24th or 25th in STEM testing? Want better pay? Deliver a better result. 
 

 

Like any other profession better pay draws in better qualified applicants. That principle works in the corporate offices of rich fat cat bastards of CORPORATE AMERICA.  Why should it be any different where THE EDUCATION OF OUR CHILDREN ARE CONCERNED?????????????

B.See » 20 Feb 2022, 10:29 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2022, 10:29 pm

excerpts from:  Banning books definitely doesn’t count as cancel culture and I don’t know why you’d say it does | The Independent

 

Now do Huckleberry Finn.

B.See » 27 Feb 2022, 7:56 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2022, 7:56 am

Like any other profession better pay draws in better qualified applicants. That principle works in the corporate offices of rich fat cat bastards of CORPORATE AMERICA.  Why should it be any different where THE EDUCATION OF OUR CHILDREN ARE CONCERNED?????????????

We pay more for education than any country in the world, and the results are pathetic, and getting worse. 
Where is that money going, if not to the teachers?


 

B.See » 27 Feb 2022, 7:56 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2022, 7:56 am

Like any other profession better pay draws in better qualified applicants. That principle works in the corporate offices of rich fat cat bastards of CORPORATE AMERICA.  Why should it be any different where THE EDUCATION OF OUR CHILDREN ARE CONCERNED?????????????

I am all for paying great teachers more. I had three amazing teachers during my matriculation that should have been paid 7 figures for the amazing job they did. A vast majority were forgettable, some were incompetent in ways that their retention was only explicable  by tenure.  Some 80% of school spending goes to administrative costs rather than teachers or school supplies, we should fix that. 
 

golfboy » 27 Feb 2022, 8:11 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2022, 8:11 am

We pay more for education than any country in the world, and the results are pathetic, and getting worse. 
Where is that money going, if not to the teachers?

Hell if I know. But YOUR OWN ARTICLE said teachers need be paid more. Didn't you READ it??“

"In the US what they did in 1910 made a lot of sense. They created a huge pool to teach who did not know a lot and wouldn’t be around for long,” said Tucker. The US “got lucky” in a world where college-educated women had few other options. Now those options are opening up and people who could have made great teachers are choosing other options.

The solution is clear, he says. “We have to have more highly educated teachers and we need to pay them more,” he said.But it doesn’t seem like Washington is listening. “To some extent it is plain hubris. We were so dominant for so long that it’s hard for us to accept that there are now so many countries pulling ahead of us,” said Tucker.
 
 

B.See » 27 Feb 2022, 8:24 am » wrote: ↑

27 Feb 2022, 8:24 am

Hell if I know. But YOUR OWN ARTICLE said teachers need be paid more. Didn't you READ it??“

"In the US what they did in 1910 made a lot of sense. They created a huge pool to teach who did not know a lot and wouldn’t be around for long,” said Tucker. The US “got lucky” in a world where college-educated women had few other options. Now those options are opening up and people who could have made great teachers are choosing other options.

The solution is clear, he says. “We have to have more highly educated teachers and we need to pay them more,” he said.But it doesn’t seem like Washington is listening. “To some extent it is plain hubris. We were so dominant for so long that it’s hard for us to accept that there are now so many countries pulling ahead of us,” said Tucker.

We're already paying.  Why should we keep throwing money at them, when they are misdirecting what they already get?
The liberal solution of throwing more and more money at the same problem, and expecting a different result doesn't work. 

First thing we need to do is get rid of the Department of Education. 
Then localities need to quit kowtowing to the NEA. 
Then those localities need to hold the schools responsible for actually teaching kids how to read, write and do math, instead of teaching "social justice", CRT and other liberal indoctrination. 
 

Another bigoted slap in the face, this time to students (mostly Latino) for whom English is a second language:

Virginia Beach school board member says educating children who didn’t grow up speaking English ‘not sustainable’ - The Virginian-Pilot

Several of Victoria Manning’s fellow Virginia Beach School Board members and the superintendent criticized a post she made on social media that decried the cost and necessity of educating children who didn’t grow up speaking English.

Manning said she wrote on Facebook after a presentation during Tuesday’s board meeting about the school division’s growing English as a Second Language program.

“(Virginia Beach) schools has 300 additional ESL students in the past year. Most are from South America,” she wrote. “Our ESL budget has increased over $1 million in two years. Continuing to educate South Americans is not sustainable."

Antipas Harris, who served on a diversity task force for the school division in 2015, said Manning’s focus on funding is an attempt to negate the issue. 

“This is not about money. This is about cultural intolerance, and bigotry,” he said.

ON A POSITIVE NOTE:

New Mexico governor signs education bills, raises teacher minimum salaries by $10K

AND:

Book bans have reached levels not seen in decades — but nationwide activism to oppose them is growing, too | PBS NewsHour

So, run on out and GET 'EM ... before they're TOO hot:



 
 

About the problem of poor NC teacher pay, GOP asks: ‘What problem?’

Manchin worries free education will turn Americans into moochers. Students are left in the dust - Raw Story

Florida Senate targets university tenure. Faculty warns of threat to academic freedom

Fighting back against CRT panic: Educators organize around the threat to academic freedom | Salon.com

Texas students push back against book bans for censoring LGBTQ, racial justice issues - Raw Story

 

B.See » 18 Feb 2022, 6:56 am » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2022, 6:56 am

While I was vacationing this past week (as I'm wont to do on occasion) I was still gathering up articles of the **** known as the Republican Party... hundreds of them. Particularly, a spate of articles documenting the relentless and increasingly bizarre assault upon our nation's schools and educators. 

An attack that, on the one hand, seeks to obstruct all efforts at a safe return to a classroom environment or, at least, measures aimed at reducing the spread of a pandemic STILL with us and still killing thousands, while on the other hand, threatening teachers and administrators as to what can and can't be taught, with new laws limiting curriculum (that the right doesn't want taught) and calls for monitoring, policing, reporting and even prosecuting those who the new reich may deem to be "subversive."

Hence reports now of a mass exodus of educators, which I figure would serve the haters right anyway. You don't want to practice safe practices that might protect your OWN kids? and want to dictate what can't be taught? Then stay your *** home and school your OWN progeny (the ones you can't wait to send back to school even thought they're your OWN).  That way you can sufficiently keep them as ignorant of unwanted truths as you want.

Or maybe send them to a private institution that'll kowtow to your academic wishes, that'll probably be staffed by soccer moms with nary a certificate in education, not that anyone would KNOW any difference anyway since most of them don't participate in end of year standardized testing that'd reveal how little they know.

That way they too can grow up to become productive citizens who'd be dumb enough to fall for some **** like 7 million more votes for the other guy were fraudulent because YOUR moron LOST.

end of rant.

The fact you went out of your way to promote your infantile "Dems good, Repubs bad" by "gathering up articles" is dismally pitiful. 

American education does have a major problem and it has nothing to do with what flavor of postmodernism they "teach" at schools these days or whether schools still enforce their idiotic mask policies. 

I remember in the old days when they had annual standardized tests (do they even do those anymore? Or are those deprecated due to "racism?") I was scoring @ the 99th percentile despite the fact I was quite an unruly child who was written up on a # of occasions for "disruptive behavior" and hated studying. 

American education is basically extended daycare with little liability due to teachers' unions...but of course you are more concerned about "hillbilly/uneducated/unenlightened parents" interfering with school board decided curricula (propaganda) and other trivial issues. 

You seem like the kind of person gullible (or retarded) enough to believe that because most teachers have a Masters, that makes them "more qualified" to decide what matters or not (A Bachelors in Math, Eng, Stats, or some hard science like chemistry is worth 100x more than a Masters in Education). 
 

Polar1ty » 08 Mar 2022, 12:27 am » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2022, 12:27 am

The fact you went out of your way to promote your infantile "Dems good, Repubs bad" by "gathering up articles" is dismally pitiful. 

American education does have a major problem and it has nothing to do with what flavor of postmodernism they "teach" at schools these days or whether schools still enforce their idiotic mask policies. 

I remember in the old days when they had annual standardized tests (do they even do those anymore? Or are those deprecated due to "racism?") I was scoring @ the 99th percentile despite the fact I was quite an unruly child who was written up on a # of occasions for "disruptive behavior" and hated studying. 

American education is basically extended daycare with little liability due to teachers' unions...but of course you are more concerned about "hillbilly/uneducated/unenlightened parents" interfering with school board decided curricula (propaganda) and other trivial issues. 

You seem like the kind of person gullible (or retarded) enough to believe that because most teachers have a Masters, that makes them "more qualified" to decide what matters or not (A Bachelors in Math, Eng, Stats, or some hard science like chemistry is worth 100x more than a Masters in Education).

So, part of your denial of the right winged assault upon education is the admission that you don't even KNOW whether standardized tests are given at year's end? You're asking me, instead of LOOKING IT UP?? Smart.

And if, as you say, the major problem with American education isn't with what is being taught or the enforcement of mask mandates (that YOU call "idiotic" because SOME don't believe in YOUR right to endanger the health of others) then why the **** are MAGAS MAKING IT AN ISSUE??

And like I wrote earlier in this thread, if you think a master's "ain't ****" in determining a teacher's ability to educate your kids, then kindly keep them home with you and educate them YOURSELF, mr. 99.

B.See » 08 Mar 2022, 12:40 am » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2022, 12:40 am

So, part of your denial of the right winged assault upon education is the admission that you don't even KNOW whether standardized tests are given at year's end? You're asking me, instead of LOOKING IT UP?? Smart.

And if, as you say, the major problem with American education isn't with what is being taught or the enforcement of mask mandates (that YOU call "idiotic" because SOME don't believe in YOUR right to endanger the health of others) then why the **** are MAGAS MAKING IT AN ISSUE??

And like I wrote earlier in this thread, if you think a master's "ain't ****" in determining a teacher's ability to educate your kids, then kindly keep them home with you and educate them YOURSELF, mr. 99.

I didn't look it up because it would be a waste of time. I am not willing to spend 10-25s to see how standardized tests are implemented today, but I will tell you how I came to my conclusions since you seem to have trouble figuring out my thought process (don't worry, the conservative idiots on this forum have difficulty as well so I won't chastise you for this minor infraction).

I know as a fact some higher ed institutions have done away with SAT scores as an admission factor due to the alleged "racism" of the SAT so I deduced that standardized tests in grade schools have either been watered down even more than when I was in grade school or eliminated in certain school districts altogether. I did not bother confirming as I did not deem the requisite 10-25s to be well spent.

Masks in schools are idiotic because children are at minimal risk from "Covid-19." Please educate yourself instead of lecturing me.

A Masters in Education is a poor barometer of any sort of meaningful accomplishment, I have a friend (somewhat-moderately intelligent, I would guess her IQ is in the 120s) who completed her Masters of Ed and she basically said it was a joke (she barely studied - try "not studying" for EE or Petroleum Engineering or a subject in an actual major and you'll get hosed) and her classes were full of mediocre/dim people. 

I remember back in HS, my calc 2 teacher had to take a day off for a specific reason and asked me to teach 1 lesson. I simply followed the instructions she set and everything went smoothly. It wasn't difficult at all.

If you went through K-12 and didn't conclude most teachers are quite mediocre/only went into teaching cuz they are either lazy and want 3 months off or simply weren't cut out for the competitive majors that speaks volumes about your own competency level. I have nothing personal against teachers but the vast majority of them are nothing special. 

At the very minimum, you putting teachers on some kind of pedestal is unwarranted and slightly nauseating. 

 
 

Polar1ty » 08 Mar 2022, 12:56 am » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2022, 12:56 am

I didn't look it up because it would be a waste of time. I am not willing to spend 10-25s to see how standardized tests are implemented today, but I will tell you how I came to my conclusions since you seem to have trouble figuring out my thought process (don't worry, the conservative idiots on this forum have difficulty as well so I won't chastise you for this minor infraction).

In other words, you were TOO LAZY to look it up so Mr. "99th percentile" chose to ASSume. But I won't chastise you for this minor infraction.

Polar1ty » 08 Mar 2022, 12:56 am » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2022, 12:56 am

Masks in schools are idiotic because children are at minimal risk from "Covid-19." Please educate yourself instead of lecturing me.

They aren't idiotic because just as some of those reich wingers believe in their "FREEDOM" to white wash history (and yeah, I spelled it that way, DELIBERATELY) PARENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT RISKS TO THEIR CHILDREN'S HEALTH, and the right to mitigate the risks as best they CAN.

Polar1ty » 08 Mar 2022, 12:56 am » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2022, 12:56 am

If you went through K-12 and didn't conclude most teachers are quite mediocre/only went into teaching cuz they are either lazy and want 3 months off or simply weren't cut out for the competitive majors that speaks volumes about your own competency level. I have nothing personal against teachers but they are nothing special.

And THAT ATTITUDE is exactly WHY teachers are underpaid and under attack from people like YOU.  If Mr. 99th percentile EDUCATED HIMSELF instead of lecturing ME, you'd find that in countries where teachers and teaching are respected, and education valued, STUDENT SCORES EXCEL.