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What does it mean to be an American Patriots?

It's defined thus:  devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.

But that makes no sense to me.  In every civil war, both sides claimed to be patriots as they slaughtered each other.  Is patriotism expressed by murdering ones countrymen?

How does it manifest in any Way?  Putting a yellow ribbon on a bumper sticker?

In this country, military vets are overepresented in suicides and homelessness.  It is quite obvious this country hates vets.  I am reminded of this every time I go to the VA

To me, patriotism is expressed by cooperation with fellow citizens, not by conflict with them.  Yet modern Americans who deem themselves the most patriotic also seem to be the first to throw other Americans under the bus of hardship and poverty.  

The most ardent patriots are the same ones promoting a rat race dog eat dog vision of society with no cooperation, only competition.  They seem to hate other Americans intensely.  Is this a paradox?

SJConspirator » 19 Feb 2022, 4:10 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 4:10 pm

What does it mean to be an American Patriots?

It's defined thus:  devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.

But that makes no sense to me.  In every civil war, both sides claimed to be patriots as they slaughtered each other.  Is patriotism expressed by murdering ones countrymen?

How does it manifest in any Way?  Putting a yellow ribbon on a bumper sticker?

In this country, military vets are overepresented in suicides and homelessness.  It is quite obvious this country hates vets.  I am reminded of this every time I go to the VA

To me, patriotism is expressed by cooperation with fellow citizens, not by conflict with them.  Yet modern Americans who deem themselves the most patriotic also seem to be the first to throw other Americans under the bus of hardship and poverty.  

The most ardent patriots are the same ones promoting a rat race dog eat dog vision of society with no cooperation, only competition.  They seem to hate other Americans intensely.  Is this a paradox?

Very good post. 

But bipartisanship is a bad word these days.

The media on both sides want you to hate each other. That why you don't question the misinformation that one side or the other feeds you
It's like fox news claiming that they only know the truth. 
 

The clearest definition I can see for patriot:

One who loves his country's flag and hates his country's people

Every person on this planet is being lied to for the selfish reasons known to the liar.

DeezerShoove » 19 Feb 2022, 4:35 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 4:35 pm

Every person on this planet is being lied to for the selfish reasons known to the liar.

it's beneath a moderator to troll so blatantly.

Any comment on the OP?

SJConspirator » 19 Feb 2022, 4:10 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 4:10 pm

In this country, military vets are overepresented in suicides and homelessness.  It is quite obvious this country hates vets.

This is because US military recruits from the underprivileged groups. Many people who would make good warriors (those who feel no fear or almost no fear) will not go to the military. They would prefer to die for nothing while rock climbing than to die for banksters.

If you read Flaubert's Salambo about the revolt of the mercenaries you will find out that the attitude of the Carthaginians towards people who fought for them is similar to that of the Americans. And they also hated Hannibal and Hastrabal.
 
 

When I say that patriots reject cooperation and embrace competition, I don't mean fun competition. Harmless competition is healthy, high stakes life or death competition is a signal of hate.

SJConspirator » 19 Feb 2022, 4:10 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 4:10 pm

What does it mean to be an American Patriots?

It's defined thus:  devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.

But that makes no sense to me.  In every civil war, both sides claimed to be patriots as they slaughtered each other.  Is patriotism expressed by murdering ones countrymen?

How does it manifest in any Way?  Putting a yellow ribbon on a bumper sticker?

In this country, military vets are overepresented in suicides and homelessness.  It is quite obvious this country hates vets.  I am reminded of this every time I go to the VA

To me, patriotism is expressed by cooperation with fellow citizens, not by conflict with them.  Yet modern Americans who deem themselves the most patriotic also seem to be the first to throw other Americans under the bus of hardship and poverty.  

The most ardent patriots are the same ones promoting a rat race dog eat dog vision of society with no cooperation, only competition.  They seem to hate other Americans intensely.  Is this a paradox?

patriotism = loyalty to power.

nationalism = loyalty to people

SJConspirator » 19 Feb 2022, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 4:37 pm

it's beneath a moderator to troll so blatantly.

Any comment on the OP?

That was a comment on the OP.

Nobody is forced to do anything in regards to being a patriot.
Some people join the military out of sheer patriotism in their eyes.
Most have an ulterior motive. It becomes an out, a vocation, a ride to education, etc.
But they aren't forced.
They listen to the same **** as anyone else when they make the decision to VOLUNTARILY sign up.

btw
That word "troll" comes up a lot simply because the reader can't be polite enough to ask a question.
You want to snipe at me for some reason. Must be another disgruntled lonely heart.

Hating government dependence is different from hating those so dependent. Patriotism is simply love of country, of it's past and present. To love America is to love democracy, win or lose. To love America is to love diversity and the entrepreneur. To love America is to love religious and personal liberties.

SJConspirator » 19 Feb 2022, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 4:20 pm

The clearest definition I can see for patriot:

One who loves his country's flag and hates his country's people

Yeah you got yahoos that hate everything about America an it's government but love wearing American flag and patriot garb. 

It quite interesting to say the least.

The best is when they fly the confederate flag and profess love for country. 
 

FOS » 19 Feb 2022, 5:06 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 5:06 pm

patriotism = loyalty to power.

nationalism = loyalty to people

Nationalism sometime works against the good of the people.

Now white nationalism only protects those of their color. 

Nationalist love all their countries people and work to make their daily lives better. 

Some people want their lives to be better and others in that country to suffer for their benefit. 
 
 

Crazytrain » 19 Feb 2022, 5:54 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 5:54 pm

Nationalism sometime works against the good of the people.

Now white nationalism only protects those of their country. 

Nationalist love all their countries people and work to make their daily lives better. 

Some people want their lives to be better and others in that country to suffer for their benefit.

Wrong. A nation is a people. Who rules over those people...which defines a country....may easily be a hostile foreign power.

thus the people who fought against monarchy were called nationalists, especially if they were from a distinct ethnic group. scottish nationalists, irish nationalists, etc.

a nationalist can easily be opposed to the state that rules him.

people are not the same thing as state. period. no matter how much people try to manipulate our language to make it seem that way.

a white nationalist, seeking sovereignty for whites, would necessarily be opposed to the current US government, which condemns and persecutes such ambitions. a white nationalist cannot be a patriot, and a patriot cannot be a white nationalist.
 

FOS » 19 Feb 2022, 5:59 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 5:59 pm

Wrong. A nation is a people. Who rules over those people...which defines a country....may easily be a hostile foreign power.

thus the people who fought against monarchy were called nationalists, especially if they were from a distinct ethnic group. scottish nationalists, irish nationalists, etc.

a nationalist can easily be opposed to the state that rules him.

people are not the same thing as state. period. no matter how much people try to manipulate our language to make it seem that way.

a white nationalist, seeking sovereignty for whites, would necessarily be opposed to the current US government, which condemns and persecutes such ambitions. a white nationalist cannot be a patriot, and a patriot cannot be a white nationalist.

No white nationalism wants one color to benefit and other to suffer for that benefit. 
 

Crazytrain » 19 Feb 2022, 6:01 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 6:01 pm

No white nationalism wants one color to benefit and other to suffer for that benefit.

lol what the **** would suffering have to do with anything? there is no advantage in that. A white nationalist wants freedom and has a racial identity. that is all.


it is no different at all from scottish nationalists who fought for independence from the british empire. They werent inspired by some desire to make the irish suffer lol...gtfo

FOS » 19 Feb 2022, 6:02 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 6:02 pm

lol what the **** would suffering have to do with anything? there is no advantage in that. A white nationalist wants freedom and has a racial identity. that is all.

It doesn't surprise me you don't know. 

Hitler for instance wanted to steal from Jews and have their people in slavery to benefit the German whites and those who believed as they did.


Some in America want to repeat this failed idea.

Crazytrain » 19 Feb 2022, 6:03 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2022, 6:03 pm

It doesn't surprise me you don't know.

dont know what? you are trying to define 'white nationalist' as something that doesnt exist and never has existed. might as well not use the word.

Now Russian nationalists want the old Soviet union back and have their country benefit from stolen resources.

Now their are some American nationalists that think that America's global power is a bad thing in this world.

Now I think being able to control markets around the world is a benefit to America's.

You have some that think breaking up the american country and splitting it up is called patriotism.


For some reason they believe their states will benefit by a weaker united states on the global stage. 

In my view that is faulty thinking.