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Xavier_Onassis » 07 Apr 2022, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:32 am

Jesus told a group of disciples after his brief return following the Resurrection, that he would return before the last of them has tasted death.
That was abut 2,000 years ago.
How, pray tell, is a 2,000 delay not slow?
Peter and Paul both believed and stated that they expected Jesus to return within their lifetimes.
Did He?
Signs point to NO,

where did peter say Christ would return in his life time?

here is more of peter 2-3-----------------3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
 

Skans » 07 Apr 2022, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:40 am

And, Jesus fulfilled his promise.  He actually appeared (I believe) 9 times after his Resurrection.  So, explain how Jesus was "slow" in returning before the last of them tasted death?

           

supraTruth » 07 Apr 2022, 1:31 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 1:31 pm

         

SupraTruth.  Supra, meaning "beyond the limits of".  Supra Truth, meaning beyond the limits of truth.  Now, that we have established who you are and what you stand for, we can converse with the understanding that your utterances are beyond anything resembling "the truth".

Skans » 07 Apr 2022, 11:58 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 11:58 am

That's not what Xavier said.  Therefore, my response was not tailored to address this.  It was tailored to address what Xavier said.

of course,  an atheist can answer all your questions about Christ.

Xavier_Onassis » 07 Apr 2022, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:32 am

Jesus told a group of disciples after his brief return following the Resurrection, that he would return before the last of them has tasted death.
That was abut 2,000 years ago.
How, pray tell, is a 2,000 delay not slow?
Peter and Paul both believed and stated that they expected Jesus to return within their lifetimes.
Did He?
Signs point to NO,

2 peter had nothing to with that. 2 peter was about the second coming and the end of the world which we all know has not happened yet. and peter says that it is taking awhile so everyone comes to repentance and that no one perishes. the only way that could be is that people are given more chances and able to live other lives. this is a huge setback to churches who get money by saying god will put them in hell unless they go the their church. and 2 peter is not taught by the churches because it contradicts them.
 
 

JinnMartini » 05 Apr 2022, 11:14 am » wrote: ↑

05 Apr 2022, 11:14 am

I just used fishing as an euphemism.
Put hunting in there  . . .  just as valid as fishing.

I love fish.

I MOSTLY only like seafood - no lake or river fish. 

I say mostly cuz walleye. Mmmm...

Skans » 06 Apr 2022, 2:55 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Apr 2022, 2:55 pm

You know what, last time I was in some outdoors store, I caught myself looking at all of the fly fishing gear - some serious craftsmanship goes into some of that stuff.  Thought to myself, "this could be fun". But, then I remembered, the ends - eating fish, just doesn't justify the means. There are some fish I can eat if I must like Dolphin (I refuse to call it Mahi Mahi) and even some cuts of Tuna.  But, even the non-stink fish that I can tolerate never fills me up and never gives me that "I'm in freaking heaven" sensation that I get when eating a well prepared cut of steak.
 

The finest fare on earth for that is goat.

impartialobserver » 06 Apr 2022, 3:27 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Apr 2022, 3:27 pm

I love living in Nevada but something here gives me terrible allergies. If I travel somewhere else, sense of smell comes back within a few days. I remember living in Idaho and hearing people whine about allergies and I would always think, "Shut up and stop being such a ******". Payback is a bitch... 
 

I'm surprised to hear that. Nevada is where the rest of the world goes to ESCAPE allergies. It has no pollen producing vegetation. 

Cannonpointer » 07 Apr 2022, 9:35 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 9:35 pm

I MOSTLY only like seafood - no lake or river fish. 

I say mostly cuz walleye. Mmmm...

Pike is by far my most favorite sweet water fish !


 

Xavier_Onassis » 07 Apr 2022, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 9:49 am

They are Hindu beliefs. I doubt that anyone can prove that cows are holy, that people have immortal souls, 

Funny story. I'm on the way back from a hell gig with some comics. The conversation meanders into the metaphysical, and I allow that I believe in the immortal soul. One of the comics starts giving me an enormous ration is **** - just really scorning me for my provincial notions. I let him run his mouth a bit, then I question him at length. And he gives me every assurance that he is one hundred percent certain that there is no such thing as a soul - that only fools who fear death believe in such. He is supercilious about it - really annoying, and really relentless. 

After I have caused him to adamantly insist that there is no soul and that anyone who believes there IS a soul is an idiot deserving of scorn, I pull out a c-note and offer it to him in exchange for HIS soul. He demands to know what I want with it. I explain to him that I am a collector, and that I want his soul and am willing to pay coin of the realm for it. He asks how the transfer might take place, and I tell him I have a simple form for him to sign, which I would print off on my computer when we got back. He inquires why I would possess such a form at the ready, and I inform him that his will not be the first soul that I have purchased. He gets this look of horror, and he refuses to sell me his soul.

Given his previous scorn and superiority - witnessed by (and annoying to) all, - he had a very long ride back to civilization. We dogged him n proportion to his previous condescension - in proportion to our annoyance with his high-handed ways. All the way home, we scorned him for a bluffer who indeed believed in the soul. I still LMAO about that. Of COURSE, I had no such form at the ready. I had never been verbally assaulted before that, for believing in the soul. 

Xavier_Onassis » 07 Apr 2022, 10:00 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:00 am

The official Christians doctrine states that when you die, you remain dead until Jesus comes back.

That is arguable. Jesus told the thief on the cross, "You will be with me this night in paradise."

Jeremiah 1:5 says, "Before I formed thee in the womb I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." This certanly suggests pre-existence in the realm of the soul, to which we might return at the end of this ride. 

Ephesians 1:3–6 — English Standard Version (ESV) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him
 
 
 

JinnMartini » 07 Apr 2022, 9:43 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 9:43 pm

Pike is by far my most favorite sweet water fish !

Haven't had it, cannot comment. 

Cannonpointer » 07 Apr 2022, 10:10 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:10 pm

Haven't had it, cannot comment.

I have.

It is real fishy. 

If you like pike then you like cunnilingus. 

FOS » 07 Apr 2022, 10:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:22 pm

I have.

It is real fishy. 

If you like pike then you like cunnilingus.

I like river smelt - that's pretty fishy. I like anchovies. I like oysters - or as my sweet gramma called them, horseturds. 

FOS » 07 Apr 2022, 10:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:22 pm

I have.

It is real fishy. 

If you like pike then you like cunnilingus.

Most men like cunnilingus anyway  . . .  even if they never had a taste of Pike !

Cannonpointer » 07 Apr 2022, 10:28 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:28 pm

I like river smelt - that's pretty fishy. I like anchovies. I like oysters - or as my sweet gramma called them, horseturds.

I've eaten lots of oysters when I was younger  . . .  never really liked them.
Went for business dinners to specialized oysters restaurants  . . .  more like a statement to my potential clients.
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Too much excrement in them   . . .  as I became older I quit completely 
Wouldn't eat one if you paid me !
 

JinnMartini » 08 Apr 2022, 11:55 am » wrote: ↑

08 Apr 2022, 11:55 am

I've eaten lots of oysters when I was younger  . . .  never really liked them.
Went for business dinners to specialized oysters restaurants  . . .  more like a statement to my potential clients.
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Too much excrement in them   . . .  as I became older I quit completely 
Wouldn't eat one if you paid me !

Alcohol is essentially yeast ****, by the way.

Xavier_Onassis » 08 Apr 2022, 11:58 am » wrote: ↑

08 Apr 2022, 11:58 am

Alcohol is essentially yeast ****, by the way.

But it doesn't  taste  like  **** !

I know because at one point I started to manually remove the excrements from the oysters  . . .  they did taste a bit better  . . .  but still not my thing though !
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Aaaaand  last but not least  . . .  oysters'  excrements are germs-ridden   . . .  while alcohol kills them all off !

Cannonpointer » 07 Apr 2022, 9:39 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 9:39 pm

I'm surprised to hear that. Nevada is where the rest of the world goes to ESCAPE allergies. It has no pollen producing vegetation.

I have never had a definitive test but my guess is that it is juniper and/or rabbitbrush. Either way, when I am in Nevada.. I could have a dead body in the backseat and only pick on the slightest aroma. 2019 I was in Kansas City and as expected..no allergies. It is a good thing that I was only there for 2.5 days. The BBQ... heaven on a plate. Its amazing how one's taste improves when you can smell.

JinnMartini » 08 Apr 2022, 11:55 am » wrote: ↑

08 Apr 2022, 11:55 am

I've eaten lots of oysters when I was younger  . . .  never really liked them.
Went for business dinners to specialized oysters restaurants  . . .  more like a statement to my potential clients.
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Too much excrement in them   . . .  as I became older I quit completely 
Wouldn't eat one if you paid me !

See, I AGREE that eating oysters is eating ****. I mean - why try to deny it, amirite?

But I love the taste of oyster poop. I prefer them fried but I will take 'em how I get 'em: baked, broiled, raw, stewed, what have you.