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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 12:35 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 12:35 pm

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 11:43 am

I already discussed that.  But at least you admitted that the Semi Automatic AR 15 style rifles are not assault weapons, as defined by a US Government agency.

Numerous are the irrelevant factoids.

 

I have actually brought both facty thingies and legit sources.  You?  Nothing but questions and talking points.  I'll look for your sources, narratives, and facts.  

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 12:41 pm

Dude, it is over.  Watching you stumble around this topic is like watching Tex Cobb get brutally beat by Larry Holmes in 82.

Tiny,

It hasn't ever been "on".

You insist on "contradicting" citations with transparent twaddle.

Then you declare "victory", while running from questions..

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 12:43 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 12:43 pm

I have actually brought both facty thingies and legit sources.  You?  Nothing but questions and talking points.  I'll look for your sources, narratives, and facts.

You're lying.

No need to read on.

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 12:37 pm

How could that pertain to a weapon designed to military specifications, starting in 1944?

Because, there have not been any fundamental changes to the function of a semi-auto firearm and a full-auto firearm since the NFA. Guns are old technology.  Other than materials, there is nothing high-tech about pistols, AR-15's, AK's, Mac 10's, or belt-fed semi-autos and full-autos.

About the only high tech "gun" that might not be covered by the NFA would be Metal Storm:

This is not something that can be bought, found on the black market (or any market), or made in the back yards of hobby machinists. So, we don't need to change the NFA to address it.

https://youtu.be/wKlnMwuCZso

Skans » 22 Jun 2022, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 12:46 pm

Because, there have not been any fundamental changes to the function of a semi-auto firearm and a full-auto firearm since the NFA. Guns are old technology.  Other than materials, there is nothing high-tech about pistols, AR-15's, AK's, Mac 10's, or belt-fed semi-autos and full-autos.

About the only high tech "gun" that might not be covered by the NFA would be Metal Storm:

This is not something that can be bought, found on the black market (or any market), or made in the back yards of hobby machinists. So, we don't need to change the NFA to address it.

More creative writing.

The MILITARY determines what it wants, and why.

The Assault Rifle was designed for specific reasons, identified through empirical analysis of shooters, context, and injuries. It was developed to conform with a particular MILITARY Doctrine.

The reason it is sold to civilians in slightly modified form is entirely divorced from its purpose. It is all about the dollars. It's metal oxy.

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 12:43 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 12:43 pm

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 12:41 pm

Dude, it is over.  Watching you stumble around this topic is like watching Tex Cobb get brutally beat by Larry Holmes in 82.

Tiny,

It hasn't ever been "on".

You insist on "contradicting" citations with transparent twaddle.

Then you declare "victory", while running from questions..

 

Stop talking about it and bring it on.

1.  You have been given the military definition (Govt Agency) Definition of an assault rifle.  Game Over.

2.  You have been given the ATF (NFA) definition of a machine gun.  Game over.

3.  You need less strike thru, more reading, more sources, more narrative and less questions.  If you are not going bring it on, don't bother any further.  

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 1:10 pm

Stop talking about it and bring it on.

1.  You have been given the military definition (Govt Agency) Definition of an assault rifle.  Game Over.

2.  You have been given the ATF (NFA) definition of a machine gun.  Game over.

3.  You need less strike thru, more reading, more sources, more narrative and less questions.  If you are not going bring it on, don't bother any further.

No, Controlly..

It's over...in your own words.

You are absolutely correct there is only one design for the AR 15.  

 

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 12:54 pm

Skans » 22 Jun 2022, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 12:46 pm

Because, there have not been any fundamental changes to the function of a semi-auto firearm and a full-auto firearm since the NFA. Guns are old technology.  Other than materials, there is nothing high-tech about pistols, AR-15's, AK's, Mac 10's, or belt-fed semi-autos and full-autos.

About the only high tech "gun" that might not be covered by the NFA would be Metal Storm:

This is not something that can be bought, found on the black market (or any market), or made in the back yards of hobby machinists. So, we don't need to change the NFA to address it.

More creative writing.

The MILITARY determines what it wants, and why.

The Assault Rifle was designed for specific reasons, identified through empirical analysis of shooters, context, and injuries. It was developed to conform with a particular MILITARY Doctrine.

The reason it is sold to civilians in slightly modified form is entirely divorced from its purpose. It is all about the dollars. It's metal oxy.

 

The Assault Rifle was designed for specific reasons, identified through empirical analysis of shooters, context, and injuries. It was developed to conform with a particular MILITARY Doctrine.

We now this.

The reason it is sold to civilians in slightly modified form is entirely divorced from its purpose. It is all about the dollars. It's metal oxy.

The rifle sold to civilians does not conform with a particular military doctrine. By the military's own definition the rifle sold to civilians is not an assault rifle.  
 

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 1:14 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 1:14 pm

We now this.

The rifle sold to civilians does not conform with a particular military doctrine. By the military's own definition the rifle sold to civilians is not an assault rifle.

again we have sound reason to stop right there..
 

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 12:54 pm

More creative writing.

The MILITARY determines what it wants, and why.

The Assault Rifle was designed for specific reasons, identified through empirical analysis of shooters, context, and injuries. It was developed to conform with a particular MILITARY Doctrine.

The reason it is sold to civilians in slightly modified form is entirely divorced from its purpose. It is all about the dollars. It's metal oxy.

Civilians buy semi-auto AR's because they are cheap, efficient killing machines. And, many of the ones assembled by Civilians are far actually better than what they had in the Military. So what?  It's our right!

I think I'm going to rename my AR's , (which just means "Armalite") to "CEKM" - Cheap Efficient Killing Machine.  Or, if I put a lot of money into one of my builds, then EEKM.
 
 

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 1:15 pm

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 1:14 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 1:14 pm

We now this.

The rifle sold to civilians does not conform with a particular military doctrine. By the military's own definition the rifle sold to civilians is not an assault rifle.

again we have sound reason to stop right there..
 

 

 

Huey » 16 Jun 2022, 2:30 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jun 2022, 2:30 pm

Blackvegetable » 16 Jun 2022, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jun 2022, 2:24 pm

Huey » 16 Jun 2022, 2:23 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jun 2022, 2:23 pm

You are absolutely correct there is only one design for the AR 15.  So only one of those lowers is for the AR 15.  Which one is the lower for an AR 15?  Or, if that question scares you then you can tell me what the other lower is for.

Then we are done here.


 

Apparently.  You can't tell me which lower is from the one design of the AR 15.  If you can't answer that you have no need to be in this discussion. 

Keep running.

You refuse to answer?

Game.  Set.  Match.

You answer honestly and guess what, 

Game.  Set.  Match.

You are boxed in by your own ****. 

@Nucleomituphobia  

 

 

The context being the Armalite Rifle 15 which became the Colt c601 and designated the M 16.  What else ya got.  

PS.  You never pointed out the lower. 

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 1:15 pm

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 1:14 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 1:14 pm

We now this.

The rifle sold to civilians does not conform with a particular military doctrine. By the military's own definition the rifle sold to civilians is not an assault rifle.

again we have sound reason to stop right there..
 

 

I gave you a greenie because that is the best post you have made today.  Better for you to stop. 

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 1:20 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 1:20 pm

I gave you a greenie because that is the best post you have made today.  Better for you to stop.

You've already ceded the point.

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 1:17 pm

The context being the Armalite Rifle 15 which became the Colt c601 and designated the M 16.  What else ya got.  

PS.  You never pointed out the lower.

It means what it says.

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 3:13 pm

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 1:20 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 1:20 pm

I gave you a greenie because that is the best post you have made today.  Better for you to stop.

You've already ceded the point.

 

That's a lie.    

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 3:14 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 3:14 pm

That's a lie.  

 

You are absolutely correct there is only one design for the AR 15.  

Game. Set. Match.

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 3:14 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 3:14 pm

It means what it says.

Yeah, it does in context.  That is why you never link that.  

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 3:17 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 3:17 pm

Game. Set. Match.

You left out the link again.

Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 4:28 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 4:28 pm

Yeah, it does in context.  That is why you never link that.

not necessary.

Your other rule.

Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 4:41 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 4:41 pm

not necessary.

Your other rule.

I know it is not necessary NOW.  I already posted and linked it using my rule.

And you still haven’t answered the question from the post you cherry picked that from.