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The range of police problems includes —

1) Excessive use of deadly force.

2) Excessive use of physical force.

3) Discriminatory patterns of arrest.

4) Patterns of harassment of the homeless, youth, racial minorities and gays, including aggressive and discriminatory use of the "stop-and-frisk" and overly harsh enforcement of petty offenses.

5) Chronic verbal abuse of citizens, including racist, sexist and homophobic slurs.

6) Discriminatory non-enforcement of the law, such as the failure to respond quickly to calls in low-income areas and half-hearted investigations of domestic violence, rape or hate crimes.

7) Spying on political activists.

8) Employment discrimination — in hiring, promotion and assignments, and internal harassment of minority, women and gay or lesbian police personnel.

9) The "code of silence" and retaliation against officers who report abuse and/or support reforms.

10) Overreaction to gang problems, which is driven by the assumption that those who associate with known gang members must be involved in criminal activity, even in the absence of concrete evidence that this is the case. This includes illegal mass stops and arrests, and demanding photo IDs from young men based on their race and dress instead of on their criminal conduct.

11) The "war on drugs," with its overbroad searches and other tactics that endanger innocent bystanders. This "war" wastes scarce resources on unproductive "buy and bust" operations to the neglect of more promising community-based approaches.

12) Lack of accountability, such as the failure to discipline or prosecute abusive officers, and the failure to deter abuse by denying promotions and/or particular assignments because of prior abusive behavior.

13) Crowd control tactics that infringe on free expression rights and lead to unnecessary use of physical force.

https://www.aclu.org/other/fighting-pol ... al#getting

slideman » 07 Apr 2022, 11:26 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 11:26 am

The range of police problems includes —

1) Excessive use of deadly force.

2) Excessive use of physical force.

3) Discriminatory patterns of arrest.

4) Patterns of harassment of the homeless, youth, racial minorities and gays, including aggressive and discriminatory use of the "stop-and-frisk" and overly harsh enforcement of petty offenses.

5) Chronic verbal abuse of citizens, including racist, sexist and homophobic slurs.

6) Discriminatory non-enforcement of the law, such as the failure to respond quickly to calls in low-income areas and half-hearted investigations of domestic violence, rape or hate crimes.

7) Spying on political activists.

8) Employment discrimination — in hiring, promotion and assignments, and internal harassment of minority, women and gay or lesbian police personnel.

9) The "code of silence" and retaliation against officers who report abuse and/or support reforms.

10) Overreaction to gang problems, which is driven by the assumption that those who associate with known gang members must be involved in criminal activity, even in the absence of concrete evidence that this is the case. This includes illegal mass stops and arrests, and demanding photo IDs from young men based on their race and dress instead of on their criminal conduct.

11) The "war on drugs," with its overbroad searches and other tactics that endanger innocent bystanders. This "war" wastes scarce resources on unproductive "buy and bust" operations to the neglect of more promising community-based approaches.

12) Lack of accountability, such as the failure to discipline or prosecute abusive officers, and the failure to deter abuse by denying promotions and/or particular assignments because of prior abusive behavior.

13) Crowd control tactics that infringe on free expression rights and lead to unnecessary use of physical force.

https://www.aclu.org/other/fighting-pol ... al#getting

The black criminals are overtaking Seattle because
you & Ketanji are too soft on crime.               
And she can be SCOTUS, but you cannot.
The color of your skin.............is not the right color.

I just hate 'black privilege', don't you ?                                                       

Berkeley, CA instituted an interesting policy. In a certain 9 block radius, the cops no longer pull over drivers for the most minor of offenses.. tail light out, license plate not attached correctly, etc. What has been the result? Less property crime and less convictions of more serious crimes. What is the connection?

impartialobserver » 07 Apr 2022, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 12:20 pm

Berkeley, CA instituted an interesting policy. In a certain 9 block radius, the cops no longer pull over drivers for the most minor of offenses.. tail light out, license plate not attached correctly, etc. What has been the result? Less property crime and less convictions of more serious crimes. What is the connection?

Maybe having the cops focus on actual crimes rather than broken tail lights has an effect.

FJB » 07 Apr 2022, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:24 am

poor *** lives in a **** city like seattle....

Well that explains a lot why he's so anti-authority. He probably hangs around those unemployable, SSI receiving, methadone slurping, heroin Junkies know as antifa.

I lived in Vancouver WA. For 5 years and that region of the country is infested with miserable anti-authority methadone zombies with no purpose in life.



 

Warcok » 07 Apr 2022, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 12:46 pm

Well that explains a lot why he's so anti-authority. He probably hangs around those unemployable, SSI receiving, methadone slurping, heroin Junkies know as antifa.

I lived in Vancouver WA. For 5 years and that region of the country is infested with miserable anti-authority methadone zombies with no purpose in life
 

Authoritarians like you bow to authority slavishly. People like me are jealous of our freedom and do not like the authorities overstepping their legal bounds.
In addition I have a code of ethics; I try very hard not to lie and I do not appreciate being lied to or about.
The cops lie all the time.
As to having a purpose in life. You have touched on a question that I can write pages and pages about as I have thought about it a lot.
The purpose in life really comes down to this.
God damn it you've got to be kind.
I'm trying
Your stereotyping of folks in the Northwest is laughable.
You apparently have never been to Seattle. It is full of normal middle-class folks.
I am not antifa. I am Kiwanis

Skans » 06 Apr 2022, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

06 Apr 2022, 11:20 am

LMFAO! 

Y'know, I don't have anything against ***, generally speaking. Fact is (like I've written before) I know ***, have or have had friends and family members who are ***....  However, that being said, ....

Y'know, I don't have anything against ******, generally speaking. Fact is (like I've written before) I know ******, have or have had friends and family members who are ******....  However, that being said, ....

Y'know, I don't have anything against ******, generally speaking. Fact is (like I've written before) I know ******, have or have had friends and family members who are ******....  However, that being said, ....

Typical Liberal-Speak!

nwor
 

The first step is to address negro misconduct.

Spartan » 07 Apr 2022, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:17 am

Well, ****, why don't we just get rid of all law-enforcement, defund them and disband them, and let the citizenry take care of themselves??  

THAT would solve the problem, wouldn't it?  Hey, we didn't have organized police forces until 1844, when New York formed their department half a century after the ratification of the Constitution, so what's the point of having them, right??

(you need to start reading and perusing material other than far left propaganda.)

I think there might be some middle ground between streets without law enforcement and law enforcement getting away with lawlessness. Testilying is DEFINITELY a thing. So is police criminality.

Watch this tape and tell me you don't see a problem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0211dmoFni4
 
 

FJB » 07 Apr 2022, 10:42 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:42 am

I OBEY THE LAW... HENCE I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH COPS

That is MOSTLY true. But cops are pretty unaccountable, and it's a problem - and it's getting worse. 

They didn't stand down in Kenosha out of restraint. They stood down to create a **** storm. Every cop who stood down should be looking for work - along with those who gave the orders. 

On the other side of that coin is the police brutality that can happen to anyone - even law abiding citizens. Like you, I obey the law - and like you, I have had nothing but positive interactions with police. But I have access to youtube, and a lot of the stuff I see there is pretty reprehensible. I am a big fan of first amendment audits - and I've seen quite a lot of abuses there, too - against law abiding citizens exercising their Constitutional rights by filming in public. Uninformed, capricious and arrogant police officers abound. 

FJB » 07 Apr 2022, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:47 am

OBEY THE LAW AND LAWFUL ORDERS

I've seen cops give lots and lot of UNlawful orders - and those are obeyed at the expense of one's dignity, disobeyed at the expense of one's safety. There is work to be done getting those who keep the rest of us in line back in line, themselves.

Warcok » 07 Apr 2022, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 12:46 pm

Well that explains a lot why he's so anti-authority. He probably hangs around those unemployable, SSI receiving, methadone slurping, heroin Junkies know as antifa.

I lived in Vancouver WA. For 5 years and that region of the country is infested with miserable anti-authority methadone zombies with no purpose in life.

Yeah, vancouver is a **** hole. My dad died in longview/kelso - even bigger ****.

Funny how those areas are pcturesque - postcards brought to life. Except for the **** people. . 
 

Skans » 06 Apr 2022, 11:31 am » wrote: ↑

06 Apr 2022, 11:31 am

I am none of the above. What I have done is effectively point out how Liberals laughingly use these same words and phrases in trying to make others think they are "OK" with a group of people right before they go off on them telling you why they hate 'em.

And where did I "go off on cops telling you that I hate them??" SHOW ME.
 

slideman » 07 Apr 2022, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 12:52 pm

Authoritarians like you bow to authority slavishly. People like me are jealous of our freedom and do not like the authorities overstepping their legal bounds.
 

So I take it you adamantly oppose vax mandates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T4Zg4szNm8

B.See » 07 Apr 2022, 11:09 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 11:09 pm

And where did I "go off on cops telling you that I hate them??" SHOW ME.

You didn't. But, the first part of what you said is so iconic of what liberals say when they want to look like they are "tight" with a group of people they intend to criticize.  So typical!  I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to make light of it. 

slideman » 07 Apr 2022, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:23 am

Just the kind of irrational response I would expect of you.
You do not fail to disappoint.
The cops lie all the time and you know it

I can honestly say I never lied.  Not on my reports, and not in testifying before the courts.  That was a point of honor for me.

Cops who lie under oath should be held to account for it.  Fortunately, dishonest cops are the minority in American law enforcement.

You wouldn't know rational if it bit you in the ***.  You're a nutjob, bubba.

slideman » 07 Apr 2022, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:24 am

You are or were a cop huh? Are you going to claim you never lied in the performance of your duties?
Lol

You have no concept of truth or integrity, as you've proven over and over again.

No, I never lied in the performance of my duties.  Ever.  Even if I was capable of it, I worked for an agency that would have washed their hands of me in a heartbeat if I'd ever perjured myself in court.

Spartan » 08 Apr 2022, 10:00 am » wrote: ↑

08 Apr 2022, 10:00 am

I can honestly say I never lied.  Not on my reports, and not in testifying before the courts.  That was a point of honor for me.

Cops who lie under oath should be held to account for it.  Fortunately, dishonest cops are the minority in American law enforcement.

You wouldn't know rational if it bit you in the ***.  You're a nutjob, bubba.
 

I do not know you so I cannot speak to your personal behavior. I would note though that you were a cop and that all the cops lie. It is baked into the culture.

slideman » 07 Apr 2022, 10:25 am » wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2022, 10:25 am

You plainly have never been to Seattle.
They don't call it the emerald City for nothing.
It is a beautiful city.

I've been to Seattle.  Once, back in the mid-1990's, it truly was the Emerald City; probably the most beautiful big city I'd ever been to.

Went back a few years ago and was horrified.  It is overrun with criminals, drug-addict homeless, and the cops are hamstrung in their ability to do their jobs by a woke city administration that won't let them pursue criminal prosecutions of low-level criminals.  The streets literally stink of **** and piss running down the gutters.  It is truly a cesspit now.