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AnnoyedLiberall » 13 Apr 2022, 7:23 am » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2022, 7:23 am

I got the 2 Moderna shots.
No boosters.
I am confident in my decision.
But, I don't live in a world of make believe and conspiracy theories.
I will admit they are fun, but the vast majority of them are not true.
The first vaccine panic was for the small pox vaccine.
People were spreading lies that it would make women want to have sex with cows.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/ ... nd-jenner/
Don't see many half cow people running around.
The anti-vaxxers are well meaning, but misinformed.
https://www.newsweek.com/vaccination-an ... th-1342856
The technology used in the Covid vaccinations has been around more than 20 years.
Get the shots or don't.
Your body, your choice.
But, all you anti vaxxers better be consistent when it comes to abortions.

Back when the smallpox vaccine was coming out, the government was not insane. It made sense. 

THIS government is totally insane. I don't trust anything they want me to do simply on the basis that literally everything they do is suicidal and insane. 

It is not at all relevant to the concept of vaccines themselves.

FOS » 13 Apr 2022, 6:34 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2022, 6:34 pm

Back when the smallpox vaccine was coming out, the government was not insane. It made sense. 

THIS government is totally insane. I don't trust anything they want me to do simply on the basis that literally everything they do is suicidal and insane. 

It is not at all relevant to the concept of vaccines themselves.

Your response has nothing to do with my post.
Try harder.

AnnoyedLiberall » 14 Apr 2022, 7:26 am » wrote: ↑

14 Apr 2022, 7:26 am

Your response has nothing to do with my post.
Try harder.

it has everything to do with it. You said the anti vaxxers are well meaning but uninformed.

no, maybe you are uninformed about how much of a disaster mass vaccinations can be when our 'experts' are not competent.

Deezer Shoove » 13 Apr 2022, 6:30 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2022, 6:30 pm

I have not mutually evolved because I am different.

Because you are mutually evolving, you are a separate one of a kind ancestor that will ever inhabit space since conceived to decomposed like any other organic form from single cell to homo sapien.

Core of eternity is everything eternally changing in plain sight each relative to its own time being here now. Thermodynamics in real time.

Like water to this planet's universal point of displacement.

Water is just a 3 part combination of two gases that can expand when frozen and expand evaporating. Most other elements only contract when cold and expand with heat.

Between combining elements and eroded results exists inceptions to extinctions changing population conceptions to decomposition.

omh » 14 Apr 2022, 8:02 am » wrote: ↑

14 Apr 2022, 8:02 am

Because you are mutually evolving, you are a separate one of a kind ancestor that will ever inhabit space since conceived to decomposed like any other organic form from single cell to homo sapien.

Core of eternity is everything eternally changing in plain sight each relative to its own time being here now. Thermodynamics in real time.

Like water to this planet's universal point of displacement.

Water is just a 3 part combination of two gases that can expand when frozen and expand evaporating. Most other elements only contract when cold and expand with heat.

Between combining elements and eroded results exists inceptions to extinctions changing population conceptions to decomposition.

Gases don't evaporate.

DeezerShoove » 14 Apr 2022, 8:03 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Apr 2022, 8:03 pm

Gases don't evaporate.

Unless naxis use them. Then they totally so. Nazis had magical poison gas that vanished after use.

Deezer Shoove » 14 Apr 2022, 8:03 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Apr 2022, 8:03 pm

Gases don't evaporate.

evaporation of water is the two gases returning to natural molecular characteristics.. What makes you understand how no two snowflakes are ever the same again while always a combination 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen.

Water evolves even as inorganic properties. you just won't stop pretending relative time logistics is the corrupting point of mankind historically with ancestries only existing when mutually evolving now...

You choose ignoring your instinctive awareness and mind static ideas that corrupted your ancestry to date.

Almost everyone does it because it is the law of the land, resistance gets a person labeled insubordinate, traitor, blasphemy(antisocial) for being honest.

omh » 15 Apr 2022, 8:26 am » wrote: ↑

15 Apr 2022, 8:26 am

evaporation of water is the two gases returning to natural molecular characteristics.. What makes you understand how no two snowflakes are ever the same again while always a combination 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen.

Water evolves even as inorganic properties. you just won't stop pretending relative time logistics is the corrupting point of mankind historically with ancestries only existing when mutually evolving now...

You choose ignoring your instinctive awareness and mind static ideas that corrupted your ancestry to date.

Almost everyone does it because it is the law of the land, resistance gets a person labeled insubordinate, traitor, blasphemy(antisocial) for being honest.

Evaporation of water does not result in two gases. It's still H2O.

Give it up. You are just gassing.
Blathering about crap trying to tie "it" all together...

Your mental state requires validation from other humans.
Tough titty on that one, bucko.
 

I just had a chat with my primary care doctor today. In person.

I asked her for her opinion on the vax and boosters. She gave me a booster 6 months ago.
btw I am not dead.

I had expressed my misgivings about we laypeople arguing among ourselves largely due to poor messaging.
Even you doctors do not agree. No wonder there is suspicion.

This fourth shot (2nd booster) is not in my future, I told her. I am done with this crap.

She was visibly dismayed.
Her response was that a second booster's value is so minimal it's up to the individual . . .
. . . until more data comes in.
And then, given the passage of that time, a better booster may be available. (One that actually works, thought I.)

But she didn't want me to say "No more. Done with that."

I asked her, "What inputs do you doctors have for good consistent data?"
She said, "Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Institute are pretty good."

But she warned against using raw data. Stats can be manipulated.


So, again I walked away from a medical professional with an answer with lots of wiggle room.

DeezerShoove » 15 Apr 2022, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Apr 2022, 1:01 pm

I just had a chat with my primary care doctor today. In person.

I asked her for her opinion on the vax and boosters. She gave me a booster 6 months ago.
btw I am not dead.

I had expressed my misgivings about we laypeople arguing among ourselves largely due to poor messaging.
Even you doctors do not agree. No wonder there is suspicion.

This fourth shot (2nd booster) is not in my future, I told her. I am done with this crap.

She was visibly dismayed.
Her response was that a second booster's value is so minimal it's up to the individual . . .
. . . until more data comes in.
And then, given the passage of that time, a better booster may be available. (One that actually works, thought I.)

But she didn't want me to say "No more. Done with that."

I asked her, "What inputs do you doctors have for good consistent data?"
She said, "Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Institute are pretty good."

But she warned against using raw data. Stats can be manipulated.

So, again I walked away from a medical professional with an answer with lots of wiggle room.

I’m done as well. 

Bolstered as well and that is it for me. 

I’m confident in my decision. 

Deezer Shoove » 15 Apr 2022, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Apr 2022, 12:39 pm

Evaporation of water does not result in two gases. It's still H2O.

Give it up. You are just gassing.
Blathering about crap trying to tie "it" all together...

Your mental state requires validation from other humans.
Tough titty on that one, bucko.
 

ha ha ha humidity at best.

DeezerShoove » 15 Apr 2022, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Apr 2022, 1:01 pm

I just had a chat with my primary care doctor today. In person.

I asked her for her opinion on the vax and boosters. She gave me a booster 6 months ago.
btw I am not dead.

I had expressed my misgivings about we laypeople arguing among ourselves largely due to poor messaging.
Even you doctors do not agree. No wonder there is suspicion.

This fourth shot (2nd booster) is not in my future, I told her. I am done with this crap.

She was visibly dismayed.
Her response was that a second booster's value is so minimal it's up to the individual . . .
. . . until more data comes in.
And then, given the passage of that time, a better booster may be available. (One that actually works, thought I.)

But she didn't want me to say "No more. Done with that."

I asked her, "What inputs do you doctors have for good consistent data?"
She said, "Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Institute are pretty good."

But she warned against using raw data. Stats can be manipulated.

So, again I walked away from a medical professional with an answer with lots of wiggle room.

You asked an indoctrinated product of the Big Pharma "owned" educational system, allopathic Illness Industry and their information laundering operations.

I rely on those like an inventor of mRNA technology platform, who has absolutely nothing to gain and everything to loose, by being honest about it.
Regarding multiple boosters:
".....what we're seeing is the risk profile is a function of the number of vaccine doses, so we're seeing increased risk with one relative to none and increased with two relative to one and with three relative to two."
"..... the data are clear, the vaccines are not protecting from infection, replication and spread of Omicron, and the data are relatively clear and emerging, that vaccination is enhancing the risk of infection, replication of disease and spread of Omicron."
4:02:00 - Dr. Robert Malone: "So Ontario's one example, there's multiple examples in Northern Europe, there's example of Scotland and United Kingdom, and now I'm being asked to consult with the president of Israel tonight regarding what they're seeing now with the third jab and the fourth jab that are not helping."
COVID-19: A Second Opinion - Senate testimony

Cardiologist Who Wanted To Punch Antivaxxers In Face, Dies Suddenly After Boost

It's all about risk vs reward and advance preparation.
And the further away from your jabs you get, the more prepared you need to be.

DeezerShoove » 15 Apr 2022, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Apr 2022, 1:01 pm

I just had a chat with my primary care doctor today. In person.

I asked her for her opinion on the vax and boosters. She gave me a booster 6 months ago.
btw I am not dead.

I had expressed my misgivings about we laypeople arguing among ourselves largely due to poor messaging.
Even you doctors do not agree. No wonder there is suspicion.

This fourth shot (2nd booster) is not in my future, I told her. I am done with this crap.

She was visibly dismayed.
Her response was that a second booster's value is so minimal it's up to the individual . . .
. . . until more data comes in.
And then, given the passage of that time, a better booster may be available. (One that actually works, thought I.)

But she didn't want me to say "No more. Done with that."

I asked her, "What inputs do you doctors have for good consistent data?"
She said, "Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Institute are pretty good."

But she warned against using raw data. Stats can be manipulated.

So, again I walked away from a medical professional with an answer with lots of wiggle room.

at work, we received a bunch of emails strongly encouraging you to get the booster. And yet today, got the first email about a second booster and in short it said, "if you want it, feel free. If not, no problem". Definitely changing their tune. 

freeman » 15 Apr 2022, 2:14 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Apr 2022, 2:14 pm

You asked an indoctrinated product of the Big Pharma "owned" educational system, allopathic Illness Industry and their information laundering operations.

I rely on those like an inventor of mRNA technology platform, who has absolutely nothing to gain and everything to loose, by being honest about it.
Regarding multiple boosters:
".....what we're seeing is the risk profile is a function of the number of vaccine doses, so we're seeing increased risk with one relative to none and increased with two relative to one and with three relative to two."
"..... the data are clear, the vaccines are not protecting from infection, replication and spread of Omicron, and the data are relatively clear and emerging, that vaccination is enhancing the risk of infection, replication of disease and spread of Omicron."
4:02:00 - Dr. Robert Malone: "So Ontario's one example, there's multiple examples in Northern Europe, there's example of Scotland and United Kingdom, and now I'm being asked to consult with the president of Israel tonight regarding what they're seeing now with the third jab and the fourth jab that are not helping."
COVID-19: A Second Opinion - Senate testimony

Cardiologist Who Wanted To Punch Antivaxxers In Face, Dies Suddenly After Boost

It's all about risk vs reward and advance preparation.
And the further away from your jabs you get, the more prepared you need to be.


 

You didn't need to pound me with this and insult my doctor to boot.

My point was lost on you.
I was talking to a person (actually speaking to a face). I wasn't digging up **** to throw.
(That would be what internet jabber is for.)
I hoped for a better understanding of why she felt confident in her recommendations to her patients.
From the answer I got, I don't think she is. That's pretty weak "indoctrination."

I get what your theme is.
It's blanketing the chatrooms: Big Pharma bad.
That hardly needs being said again.
 

impartialobserver » 15 Apr 2022, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Apr 2022, 4:57 pm

at work, we received a bunch of emails strongly encouraging you to get the booster. And yet today, got the first email about a second booster and in short it said, "if you want it, feel free. If not, no problem". Definitely changing their tune.

By now everyone is aware that the jabs neither prevent infection by, or the spread of, COVID-19 so it's at best irrelevant in the workplace, opening the door to asymptomatic spread of COVID.

When the guy that invented the mRNA vaccine platform indicates that data suggests there's an increased risk with each successive jab, it just doesn't seem to be as wise as preparing one's system and medicine cabinet in advance, for early treatment. Particularly since that is obviously what everyone should do whether one is on waning vaccines or unvaxxed.

And if the plan is to see a doctor about it, it's particularly important to establish in advance, what their treatment regimen has been/will be for COVID-19.

freeman » 16 Apr 2022, 7:09 am » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2022, 7:09 am

By now everyone is aware that the jabs neither prevent infection by or the spread of COVID-19 so it's at best irrelevant in the workplace, but rather results in asymptomatic spread of COVID.

When the guy that invented the mRNA vaccine platform indicates that data suggests there's an increased risk with each successive jab, it just doesn't seem to be as wise as preparing one's system and medicine cabinet in advance, for early treatment. Particularly since that is obviously what everyone should do whether one is on waning vaccines or unvaxxed.

 How many times has the "inventor" of the vaccine been boosted?
Or is he now a horse dewormer advocate?
 

FOS » 13 Apr 2022, 6:34 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Apr 2022, 6:34 pm

Back when the smallpox vaccine was coming out, the government was not insane. It made sense. 

THIS government is totally insane. I don't trust anything they want me to do simply on the basis that literally everything they do is suicidal and insane. 

It is not at all relevant to the concept of vaccines themselves.

 Don't pay a doctor trillions of dollars in order to fix a said-claimed problem that you don't have. Don't try to fix a health problem with drugs that will give you two or three new problems. Some one will have to be responsible for the product, someone will have to understand what the ingredients are and how they work. Dont give me any mandatory toxic **** backed up by a socialist anti-individual kangaroo court. Take that nazi-commie socialist work area and shove it.

Squatchman » 16 Apr 2022, 7:16 am » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2022, 7:16 am

 How many times has the "inventor" of the vaccine been boosted?
Or is he now a horse dewormer advocate?

It isn't an either/or. Anyone who isn't prepared for early treatment of COVID, whether they have been vaxxed or not, is putting themselves at risk.
Additionally, COVID Vaccine Derangement Syndrome left people believing there were only two choices: volunteering to be a guinea pig for Big Pharma or risk a serious bout with COVID.
Completely absent the option of effective early treatment.
MyFreeDoctor.com has treated 150,000 COVID patients with a 99.99% success rate

Let alone any consideration of the risk VS benefit ratio, making it far more dangerous to get vaxxed than to prepare one's system in advance of infection and be ready for early treatment immediately upon the presentation of symptoms, with safe, time-tested, generic drugs.
Vaccine pragmatic (absurdly put, "hesitant") VS vaccine blind obedient

Dr. Robert Malone inventor and patent holder for the mRNA vaccine platform got vaxxed early on (as I remember the double dose Moderna), because he was traveling a lot, and did it more to reduce hassle. As the deadly consequences of the jabs increasingly came in, it would seem he regretted his decision (though he seemed reluctant to state it outright). The reluctance should be no surprise since Big Pharma's liars labeled him an "anti-vaxxer", from when he first expressed doubts about these non-vaccines, even though his primary professional focus for decades has been in vaccinology.
His personal jabbing covered in this early video.
https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/how ... TNNHpaTgC9
He did not advance the jabs currently in place because he knew better from all the prior failed mRNA corona virus vaccine animal trials.
"But in the case of vaccine-enhanced disease with corona virus vaccines this is a known complication. It's one of the reasons why I advised my group not to pursue vaccines when we got the call from Wuhan in January of 2020."
COVID-19: A Second Opinion - Senate testimony

Dr. Charles Hoffe vaxxed 800 patients before one died, causing him to investigate the micro blood clot issue through D-Dimer testing, whereupon he stopped vaxxing and started warning the public. Big Pharma's liars also label him an "anti-vaxxer".
Canadian Doctor Believes Two-Thirds of Vaccinated Could Die of Heart Failure

Dr. Peter McCullough vaxxed hundreds of patients, including his family, before the VAERS data began to show how dangerous the "vaccines" are, by February of 2021. He didn't take the jab himself because he had already had a fair bout with COVID as a result of his practice, and so had broad-based, robust, durable and long-lasting immunity to COVID. Plus the jabs are more dangerous to those that are COVID-recovered.
"..under no circumstances should a COVID recovered person undergo vaccination."
Big Pharma's liars also label him an "anti-vaxxer" even though he COVID vaxxed his family and vaccines have always been a regular part of his medical practice.
And now he is rightly pissed that everyone was lied to and deceived by Big Pharma's false claims of the non-"vaccines" being safe and effective.
https://rumble.com/embed/vf328h/?pub=4


 
 

freeman » 16 Apr 2022, 7:09 am » wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2022, 7:09 am

By now everyone is aware that the jabs neither prevent infection by, or the spread of, COVID-19 so it's at best irrelevant in the workplace, opening the door to asymptomatic spread of COVID.

When the guy that invented the mRNA vaccine platform indicates that data suggests there's an increased risk with each successive jab, it just doesn't seem to be as wise as preparing one's system and medicine cabinet in advance, for early treatment. Particularly since that is obviously what everyone should do whether one is on waning vaccines or unvaxxed.

And if the plan is to see a doctor about it, it's particularly important to establish in advance, what their treatment regimen has been/will be for COVID-19.

I am not going to spoon feed this to you.. .there is another reason. You will not like it...

I've had it with the **** word itself. I will not tailor my life around that word...you know, the one everyone guesses about.
I live a healthy lifestyle, and if I die, I die.
Why be a liberal ****** and run scared based upon what our broken government is telling us?