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freeman » 21 May 2022, 6:31 am » wrote: ↑

21 May 2022, 6:31 am

I agree that case numbers are an encouraging sign. Particularly with the more aggressively spreading and less virulent Omicron going the way natural viruses generally devolve. If Big Pharma doesn't extend it yet again, with yet another leaky non-"vaccine" as Geert Vanden Bossche warned, maybe it will become just another cold bug, the way Omicron is at least for the unvaxxed today.
But then it certainly wouldn't be the first lull in COVID cases.
Europe's difficulties have been preceding ours which may leave some questions about our future.
If pathogenic priming isn't an issue, why did the most "vaccinated" country in Europe (average 2.43 per person) recently suffer the highest death rate they have had since the beginning of the pandemic?


I haven't paid much attention to case rates because the inflated U.S. numbers are the result of boosting hospital profits, while also taking deaths with a grain of salt considering the study out of Johns Hopkins of November of 2020 that found the decrease in death by other causes.....equals the increase in death by COVID-19. However the vaccine related heart issues no doubt have changed that considerably for the worse.

I didn't pay much attention to cases until I recently noticed the following chart in an article:

Which would seem give some credence to the suggestion of chronic COVID in the vaxxed.
"AIDS-Like 'Chronic Covid' is Taking Over Europe, Australia and NZ"-Igor Chudov

Not unlike the suggestion of negative Vaccine Efficacy of COVID vaxxes against Omicron based on U.K. data, that has been more reliable than the U.S. vaccine stakeholder bureaucracies':
Negative Vaccine Efficacy of COVID vaxxes against Omicron


All of which is to suggest it may be a little premature to count our chickens of high-five all around.

Good lord.. you are dense. 

peepee » 23 May 2022, 6:35 am » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 6:35 am

 

Donald Trump said that if not for his COVID-19 vaccine effort, Operation Warp Speed, 100 million people might have died from the bug....”
 

Which is of course BS since nobody had to die.
DEADLY COVER UP: Fauci knew about HCQ in 2005 - nobody needed to die



And if not for Trump's abandoning hydroxychloroquine, rather than continuing to stick his thumb in Big Pharma's leftist media bi*ches eyes with it (when he could have been promoting 100% successful treating physicians), a million less U.S. citizens would have died.
"cc: President Donald J. Trump; Mr. Mark Meadows, Chief of Staff"
Dr. Zelenko recommendations of 3-23-2020 - 500 patients 0 deaths 0 hospitalized

Whether through blackmail or buying Trump, the way Big Pharma bought Fauci, the CDC, FDA, NIH, legacy media, academia, medical journals, Big Tech and politicians, I'm convinced somebody got to Trump.
And the stupidity of Trump boasting about and thereby owning rather than having kept quiet about, what is shaping up to be the greatest tragedy in human history, was appalling when he otherwise could have stayed quiet and later said ".....well how was I to know, I believed Big Pharma's claims....".

impartialobserver » 23 May 2022, 11:53 am » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 11:53 am

Good lord.. you are dense.
 

While your abject ignorance is made quite conspicuous through your lack of specificity.
Let's explore the post that inspired your vacuous and moronic response.

Did the most vaxxed country in Europe averaging 2.43 jabs per person, not long ago suffer the highest COVID death rate they have since the beginning of the pandemic, or not?
A simple yes or no should do.



Maybe your pea brain can handle two points at once. Does the giant multiple of all prior case counts in the following chart appear to you to demonstrate the leaky, escape mutant creating, non-"vaccines" effectiveness?


 

freeman » 23 May 2022, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 12:15 pm

While your abject ignorance is made quite conspicuous through your lack of specificity.
Let's explore the post that inspired your vacuous and moronic response.

Did the most vaxxed country in Europe averaging 2.43 jabs per person, not long ago suffer the highest COVID death rate they have since the beginning of the pandemic, or not?
A simple yes or no should do.

You have never answered my simple and directions with a yes or no.. Fail. Now go back to your paranoia... somebody in this world has to care about what you write. 

impartialobserver » 23 May 2022, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 12:17 pm

You have never answered my simple and directions with a yes or no.. Fail. Now go back to your paranoia... somebody in this world has to care about what you write.
 

If you look back you will see I said "A simple yes or no should do."
So please please by all means post your more complete reply, before otherwise further exposing your stupidity, in your patently obvious attempt to run and hide from the post!
Or do you really want to prove, once again, just who it is that is "dense"?

freeman » 23 May 2022, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 12:31 pm

If you look back you will see I said "A simple yes or no should do."
So please please by all means post your more complete reply, before otherwise further exposing your stupidity, in your patently obvious attempt to run and hide from the post!
Or do you really want to prove once again, just who it is that is "dense"?

Your obfuscation does not work with me... Been at this too long to fall for your BS. I could not possibly take you less seriously. 

impartialobserver » 23 May 2022, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 12:32 pm

Your obfuscation does not work with me... Been at this too long to fall for your BS. I could not possibly take you less seriously.
 

And there you have it folks, stupidity on parade!
Facts and data are a real pain for Big Pharma's lying little bi*ch forum trolls, aren't they impartial    obscurer!
A lefty who seems to have fancied himself to have at least a little intelligence, struck dumb through his stupidity, when faced with facts and data.
 

freeman » 23 May 2022, 12:35 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 12:35 pm

And there you have it folks, stupidity on parade!
A lefty who seems to have fancied himself to have at least a little intelligence, struck mute through his stupidity, when faced with facts and data.

^^^^ is the definition of dense. One who obfuscates and can't practice simple reading comprehension because he is too zealous to see the forest for the trees. There is nothing special about you. Have seen dozens of zealots like you on forums.. each time, they can't get out of their own way.

The first post of mine was rather simple... our (state of NV govt employees) covid mandates were being washed away due to one simple fact.. declining case numbers. No need to read anymore into it but this poster ^^^^ can't do that. Nahhh... it has to be some big conspiracy. 

impartialobserver » 23 May 2022, 12:38 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 12:38 pm

^^^^ is the definition of dense. One who obfuscates and can't practice simple reading comprehension because he is too zealous to see the forest for the trees. There is nothing special about you. Have seen dozens of zealots like you on forums.. each time, they can't get out of their own way.

The first post of mine was rather simple... our (state of NV govt employees) covid mandates were being washed away due to one simple fact.. declining case numbers.
 

With which I agreed in my first sentence:  "I agree that case numbers are an encouraging sign."
But of course there are too many reasons not to take that at face value, which I felt obligated to and spent considerable time explaining. Even in graphic form from the Johns Hopkins site.

To which rather than thanking me for my trouble I was greeted by you with an insult.

So I thought if I pointed out your error in having done so, it may save you the embarrassment of repeating your having stepped into the role of that which you accuse, followed by having to run away from facts and data.
Perhaps you lost sight of the fact that many or perhaps most posters in here post for the benefit of all members and not just the person they are interacting with.

No need to read anymore into it but this poster ^^^^ can't do that. Nahhh... it has to be some big conspiracy.

Ah yes Johns Hopkins data has always been the stuff of "conspiracy" right? Or at least to people that are allergic to inconvenient truth in the form of facts and data. You parroted the false accusation that Big Pharma's little bi*ch propagandists have been using to silence reason for well over 2 years now, when confronted with undeniable truth. While evolving from COVID Derangement Syndrome to HCQ Derangement Syndrome to Ivermectin Derangement Syndrome and eventually to COVID Vaccine Derangement Syndrome.

"The designers of this pandemic anticipated a pushback by the public and that major embarrassing questions would be asked. To prevent this, the controllers fed the media a number of tactics, one of the most commonly used was and is the “fact check” scam. With each confrontation with carefully documented evidence, the media “fact checkers” countered with the charge of “misinformation”, and an unfounded “conspiracy theory” charge that was, in their lexicon, “debunked”. Never were we told who the fact checkers were or the source of their “debunking” information—we were just to believe the “fact checkers”. A recent court case established under oath that facebook “fact checkers” used their own staff opinion and not real experts to check “facts”.[59] When sources are in fact revealed they are invariably the corrupt CDC, WHO or Anthony Fauci or just their opinion. Here is a list of things that were labeled as “myths” and “misinformation” that were later proven to be true........"
COVID UPDATE: What is the truth?

freeman » 23 May 2022, 1:05 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 1:05 pm

With which I agreed in my first sentence:  "I agree that case numbers are an encouraging sign."
But of course there are too many reasons not to take that at face value, which I felt obligated to and spent considerable time explaining. Even in graphic form from the Johns Hopkins site.

To which rather than thanking me for my trouble I was greeted by you with an insult.

So I thought if I pointed out your error in having done so, it may save you the embarrassment of repeating your having stepped into the role of that which you accuse, followed by having to run away from facts and data.
Perhaps you lost sight of the fact that many or perhaps most posters in here post for the benefit of all members and not just the person they are interacting with.

Ah yes Johns Hopkins data has always been the stuff of "conspiracy" right? Or at least to people that are allergic to inconvenient truth in the form of facts and data. You parroted the false accusation that Big Pharma's little bi*ch propagandists have been using to silence reason for well over 2 years now, when confronted with undeniable truth. While evolving from COVID Derangement Syndrome to HCQ Derangement Syndrome to Ivermectin Derangement Syndrome and eventually to COVID Vaccine Derangement Syndrome.

"The designers of this pandemic anticipated a pushback by the public and that major embarrassing questions would be asked. To prevent this, the controllers fed the media a number of tactics, one of the most commonly used was and is the “fact check” scam. With each confrontation with carefully documented evidence, the media “fact checkers” countered with the charge of “misinformation”, and an unfounded “conspiracy theory” charge that was, in their lexicon, “debunked”. Never were we told who the fact checkers were or the source of their “debunking” information—we were just to believe the “fact checkers”. A recent court case established under oath that facebook “fact checkers” used their own staff opinion and not real experts to check “facts”.[59] When sources are in fact revealed they are invariably the corrupt CDC, WHO or Anthony Fauci or just their opinion. Here is a list of things that were labeled as “myths” and “misinformation” that were later proven to be true........"
COVID UPDATE: What is the truth?

More obfuscating and pointless zealotry.... My point is not what SHOULD be but what rather what IS... I know that you can't separate the two. 

impartialobserver » 23 May 2022, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 1:23 pm

More obfuscating and pointless zealotry.... My point is not what SHOULD be but what rather what IS... I know that you can't separate the two.
 

Johns Hopkins data, charts and other links I post regard WHAT IS through data, let alone that Europe has been a harbinger for what eventually visits our shores.
Currently cases (which I have paid little attention to, because of the unreliability of COVID testing and data collection, until being surprised by the chart that follows) are rising in the U.S., which is pretty much irrelevant for the properly prepared unvaxxed, with Omicron, while vaccinees seem to be having more of a struggle with it.
Negative Vaccine Efficacy of COVID vaxxes against Omicron

"Official data published by the UK Health Security Agency confirms Covid-19 vaccine effectiveness against infection has fallen to minus-391% among triple jabbed 60-69-year-olds, and between minus-298% and minus-324% among those aged 30 to 59."
Triple Vaxed up to 5 times more likely to be infected with Covid-19 than unvaxx

"AIDS-Like 'Chronic Covid' is Taking Over Europe, Australia and NZ"-Igor Chudov

 

freeman » 23 May 2022, 2:16 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 2:16 pm

Johns Hopkins data, charts and other links I post regard WHAT IS through data, let alone that Europe has been a harbinger for what eventually visits our shores.
Currently cases (which I have paid little attention to, because of the unreliability of COVID testing and data collection, until being surprised by the chart that follows) are rising in the U.S., which is pretty much irrelevant for the properly prepared unvaxxed, with Omicron, while vaccinees seem to be having more of a struggle with it.
Negative Vaccine Efficacy of COVID vaxxes against Omicron

"Official data published by the UK Health Security Agency confirms Covid-19 vaccine effectiveness against infection has fallen to minus-391% among triple jabbed 60-69-year-olds, and between minus-298% and minus-324% among those aged 30 to 59."
Triple Vaxed up to 5 times more likely to be infected with Covid-19 than unvaxx

"AIDS-Like 'Chronic Covid' is Taking Over Europe, Australia and NZ"-Igor Chudov

more obfuscating... and all extraneous noise in relation to my first post. 

In 2030 the children will have property, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and they will chose their own doctors and medical treatments, if any.

impartialobserver » 23 May 2022, 2:19 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 2:19 pm

more obfuscating... and all extraneous noise in relation to my first post.
 

Which was: viewtopic.php?p=2035185#p2035185

impartialobserver » 20 May 2022, 5:33 pm » wrote: ↑

20 May 2022, 5:33 pm

the decision (whether you like it or not)  here is made upon case number data.. decreasing case numbers in NV... Hmmm... Again, I do not expect you to practice any kind of reading comprehension. Now, be a good little boy and post a bunch of unrelated stuff about how everyone is going to die. I need some entertainment.
 

"COVID cases continue rising in Nevada"
"The “effective virus concentration” at Elko’s plant increased from 107,718 genome copies per liter at the end of April to 150,797 in the first week of May, up 40% in a single week, according Biobot Analytics. No updates have been available since then."
https://elkodaily.com/news/local/covid- ... f69ef.html
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nevada+covid+ ... f=w&ia=web

The well supported post that cautioned against our shared optimism concluded:

freeman » 21 May 2022, 6:31 am » wrote: ↑

21 May 2022, 6:31 am

All of which is to suggest it may be a little premature to count our chickens of high-five all around.
 

And nationally
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=covid+cases+r ... f=w&ia=web

freeman » 23 May 2022, 2:41 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 2:41 pm

Which was: viewtopic.php?p=2035185#p2035185

"COVID cases continue rising in Nevada"
"The “effective virus concentration” at Elko’s plant increased from 107,718 genome copies per liter at the end of April to 150,797 in the first week of May, up 40% in a single week, according Biobot Analytics. No updates have been available since then."
https://elkodaily.com/news/local/covid- ... f69ef.html
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nevada+covid+ ... f=w&ia=web

The well supported post that cautioned against our shared optimism concluded:

And nationally
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=covid+cases+r ... f=w&ia=web

the numbers used by the Governor, have gone down and have stayed down relative to levels stated in 2020 and 2021... I know that in your heart... this bothers you. The further that COVID slips from the limelight.. the less attention that you will get being that you are a one trick pony with nothing else to say. 

impartialobserver » 23 May 2022, 2:44 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 2:44 pm

the numbers used by the Governor, have gone down and have stayed down relative to levels stated in 2020 and 2021... I know that in your heart... this bothers you.
 

So much for honesty, after I agreed I was encouraged by reductions in cases.

The further that COVID slips from the limelight.. the less attention that you will get being that you are a one trick pony with nothing else to say.

My focus in this forum has been on COVID treatment and later COVID vaxxes, and early treatment still remains important whether one is vaxxed or not.
I divorced myself as much as possible from political news after the election, since I was already confident as to where things were going and about all that keeping track of which downward course our national descent took would accomplish, is perhaps grow a tumor from the heartache.

freeman » 23 May 2022, 3:08 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 3:08 pm

So much for honesty, after I agreed I was encouraged by reductions in cases.

My focus in this forum has been on COVID treatment and later COVID vaxxes, and early treatment still remains important whether one is vaxxed or not.
I divorced myself as much as possible from political news after the election, since I was already confident as to where things were going and about all that keeping track of which downward course our national descent took would accomplish, is perhaps grow a tumor from the heartache.

Another key difference is that I have not commented on why this case number is going down, if it should, the validity of the number... nope. I am simply reporting a data value and the consequence. Zealots like you can't do that. 

impartialobserver » 23 May 2022, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 3:44 pm

Another key difference is that I have not commented on why this case number is going down, if it should, the validity of the number... nope. I am simply reporting a data value and the consequence. Zealots like you can't do that.
 

I missed the "data value" you suggested you reported that "this case number is going down". Perhaps a link.
While I posted data and a link to the source, as well as a duckduckgo search, that suggests that in Nevada the case numbers are going up not down.
viewtopic.php?p=2037077#p2037077

freeman » 23 May 2022, 3:52 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 3:52 pm

I missed the "data value" you suggested you reported that "this case number is going down". Perhaps a link.
While I posted data and a link to the source, as well as a duckduckgo search, that suggests that in Nevada the case numbers are going up not down.
viewtopic.php?p=2037077#p2037077

I will spoon feed you... Do you know what year over year is? A running average? 

impartialobserver » 23 May 2022, 3:54 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2022, 3:54 pm

I will spoon feed you... Do you know what year over year is? A running average?
 

No need to spoon feed. If you aren't changing the goal posts to save face (which it's obviously far too late to do), then please present a link in which you included that parameter, rather than your just having declared cases are going down.
Let alone that would be a dumb parameter to use for COVID cases that have run up and down so many times over just 2-1/4 years.