Liberal Forum

Xavier_Onassis » 17 May 2022, 3:34 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 3:34 pm

So.. didn't you just define it there?  A demand which can never be satisfied. Like the demand to always be stylish, to keep up with the proverbial Jones/ Or perhaps opiate addiction.

I don't think I did.  If someone has unlimited money and can purchase whatever he wants, what consumer demand of his could never be satisfied given unlimited supply?  As for opioids, that demand will be abruptly satisfied with death of the user. Too much supply causes sudden death and no more demand.

Again, this is a philosophical debate, not one of economics, as is with all limits which approach infinity.
 

Once SHTF DAY arrives..imagine how much fun we're gonna have...!!


 

Xavier_Onassis » 17 May 2022, 3:41 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 3:41 pm

They have done no such thing. There are plenty of elderly teachers in Miami Dade schools. They have even allowed them to collect their pewnsions and contribute more to 403b's.  They are rather desperate for teachers in Florida, which is 49th in what it pays teachers.

You cannot expect right wingers to replace teachers with other right wingers, because first the teacher has to know the subject AND THEN how to make it appealing to the students. There is not one rightwinger in this entire forum that understands American history. And I cannot imagine Skans teaching.

I likely would not last long as a teacher.  I can assure you that if I were allowed to teach college students, my methods would be very unconventional, quite controversial, and I would take pride in being the most hated professor on campus.  Of course, everyone in my class would get a guaranteed "C", upon signing my "non-disclosure agreement" before being allowed to step foot into my classroom - cell phones get checked at the door.  
 
 
 

Skans » 17 May 2022, 3:29 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 3:29 pm

Well, first, community college needs to be separated out from graduate level economics.  I would expect much more from those who are working toward a masters or PhD in economics. But, ****, even at that level, WITH NO REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, you are probably expecting too much.

At the community college level, you'd be lucky if they understood what equilibrium is.  As for the vertical demand curve, that's more of a philosophical concept than economic modeling. Seriously, how would you define infinite demand?  Or, I suppose, demand which simply cannot ever be satisfied?

When it came to the graduate level, the students were glorified processors. Absorb information and then regurgitate it at precise times. A week later, ask them what they wrote down and you get the blank stare reminiscent of asking someone how they got somewhere after a long night of drinking and drugs. 

Community college.. they acted indignant when I wanted them to give me real life examples of stuff. They wanted cookie cutter stuff that they could autopilot through. 

A vertical demand curve is one where demand is the same regardless of price. In short, folks will pay any price to acquire the product. This occurs when there is no alternative. Theoretically, one could say this about water, air, or certain medicines. However, the point is that the students in my second year microeconomics were clueless about this. As a result, when given the chance to teach first year microeconomics.. I made the course interactive and not just memorizing. For example, the class would bring 5 random goods per person and then we would have them spend $100 in fake money. We would do this once every week. Each time, letting a different person go first therefore changing what was available. 

impartialobserver » 17 May 2022, 3:48 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 3:48 pm

When it came to the graduate level, the students were glorified processors. Absorb information and then regurgitate it at precise times. A week later, ask them what they wrote down and you get the blank stare reminiscent of asking someone how they got somewhere after a long night of drinking and drugs. 

Community college.. they acted indignant when I wanted them to give me real life examples of stuff. They wanted cookie cutter stuff that they could autopilot through. 

A vertical demand curve is one where demand is the same regardless of price. In short, folks will pay any price to acquire the product. This occurs when there is no alternative. Theoretically, one could say this about water, air, or certain medicines. However, the point is that the students in my second year microeconomics were clueless about this. As a result, when given the chance to teach first year microeconomics.. I made the course interactive and not just memorizing. For example, the class would bring 5 random goods per person and then we would have them spend $100 in fake money. We would do this once every week. Each time, letting a different person go first therefore changing what was available.
 

Can you not say the same thing about a horizontal demand curve?  That demand would be the same regardless of price? Again, as you go to the limits of each curve, you delve into the realm of philosophy and away from economics.

Let's play with the vertical demand curve for a moment.  You are in a room where I control the air.  You are the Fed Chairman and truly have an unlimited amount of money at your disposal.  I would love to sell you as much air as you need, and you say you can pay my price.  You offer me a trillion dollars - I say not enough. After making several more offers, you finally ask me "how much for the air"?  I say "I've got your son in room 102" - your air to survive will cost you his life. Are you going to take the deal?  How would you graph this?
 

Skans » 17 May 2022, 4:04 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 4:04 pm

Can you not say the same thing about a horizontal demand curve?  That demand would be the same regardless of price? Again, as you go to the limits of each curve, you delve into the realm of philosophy and away from economics.

Let's play with the vertical demand curve for a moment.  You are in a room where I control the air.  You are the Fed Chairman and truly have an unlimited amount of money at your disposal.  I would love to sell you as much air as you need, and you say you can pay my price.  You offer me a trillion dollars - I say not enough. After making several more offers, you finally ask me "how much for the air"?  I say "I've got your son in room 102" - your air to survive will cost you his life. Are you going to take the deal?  How would you graph this?

Horizontal demand curve is where demand decreases the instant that you increase the price. The person in this case is not willing to spend any amount of money to acquire the good. Examples of this are jewelry, high end alcohol, and high end cars. 

Your example is a bit flawed. A demand curve is formulated on the assumption of personal satisfaction aka utility. I can't have any utility if I die. In short, no way to graph something on the standard supply demand graph that has negative marginal utility. 

Skans » 17 May 2022, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 9:18 am

What's the best way to combat leftism?

 

Take no prisoners ?

Skans » 17 May 2022, 4:04 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 4:04 pm

Can you not say the same thing about a horizontal demand curve?  That demand would be the same regardless of price? Again, as you go to the limits of each curve, you delve into the realm of philosophy and away from economics.

Let's play with the vertical demand curve for a moment.  You are in a room where I control the air.  You are the Fed Chairman and truly have an unlimited amount of money at your disposal.  I would love to sell you as much air as you need, and you say you can pay my price.  You offer me a trillion dollars - I say not enough. After making several more offers, you finally ask me "how much for the air"?  I say "I've got your son in room 102" - your air to survive will cost you his life. Are you going to take the deal?  How would you graph this?
 

horizontal demand curve? circle logic created to ignore perpetual balancing on a universal scale signifying there is a natural perpetual motion present.

Skans » 17 May 2022, 2:12 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 2:12 pm

It's a DEMOCRAT law instituted by DEMOCRAT TEACHERS UNIONS which can be changed by REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS and legislators. 

We need real-world, experienced teachers who want to actually impart their knowledge and experience on young minds.  We do not need more teachers who have done NOTHING BUT go to school and teach their entire lives continue teaching and hating on children.

WE DON'T NEED NO STUPID TEACHERS!  HEY, GOVERNORS, LET SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE TEACH!!!

NOT TRUE!  I had a GREAT high school English teacher who worked at FORD before becoming a teacher.  I worked as a substitute teacher for 3 years after working in construction for 44 years, 36 of those years as a commercial construction estimator & project manager.  And like me, many teachers worked their way through college.

U UNEDUCATED RNC tCON SCUM JUST WANT IGNORANT RACIST DUMBASSES WITH ******* OPINIONS INDOCTRINATING KIDS WITH REALLY STOOOPID ASSHOLE IDEAS!

 

Skans » 17 May 2022, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 9:18 am

What's the best way to combat leftism?
1.  Retake our education system, purge it of all liberals and leftists and fill the rolls with real educators, conservatives and strict constructionists?
2.  By force - i.e. violent revolution?
3.  By exclusivity movements - clubs, organizations, societies, churches, etc. which have strict sets of rules prohibiting globalists, liberals and leftists?
4.  By capturing and manipulating technology against the proliferation of leftism?

Other thoughts are welcome.

God and gods nature will tend to balance out the problem. Lock downs, experimental medical treatments, unnecessary promotion of war, fuel shortage, food shortages, no manufacturing, war on the people who make your products. For who the wheel spins, it spins for thee prepare the usual small bag of socialist refugee papers and effects.

We are God your constitution is wrong.
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Skans » 17 May 2022, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 9:18 am

What's the best way to combat leftism?
1.  Retake our education system, purge it of all liberals and leftists and fill the rolls with real educators, conservatives and strict constructionists?
2.  By force - i.e. violent revolution?
3.  By exclusivity movements - clubs, organizations, societies, churches, etc. which have strict sets of rules prohibiting globalists, liberals and leftists?
4.  By capturing and manipulating technology against the proliferation of leftism?

Other thoughts are welcome.

...stfu about the phony bankster-manufactured 'left and right'  , retard....learn about ((((((THE MONEY))))) and stfu until you do, tuckertard and hannitard... just a thought...    
 

impartialobserver » 17 May 2022, 4:11 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 4:11 pm

Horizontal demand curve is where demand decreases the instant that you increase the price. The person in this case is not willing to spend any amount of money to acquire the good. Examples of this are jewelry, high end alcohol, and high end cars. 

Your example is a bit flawed. A demand curve is formulated on the assumption of personal satisfaction aka utility. I can't have any utility if I die. In short, no way to graph something on the standard supply demand graph that has negative marginal utility.

Actually, you can have utility, i.e. personal satisfaction, if you die to save your son's life. In this case, it would be a simple set of supply and demand curves where the equilibrium is the price of your life for your son's. Or, if you believe your life is more valuable than your son's I believe this could also be graphed with a vertical supply curve and a vertical demand curve. But, that's probably not accurate either, more likely it would simply be two independent points in the ++ quadrant of the graph.  


 

JinnMartini » 17 May 2022, 5:42 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 5:42 pm

Take no prisoners ?

I like that.  What about taking prisoners and re-educating them.....or alternatively selling their body parts to the Chinese?
 

supraTruth » 18 May 2022, 3:45 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 3:45 am

NOT TRUE!  I had a GREAT high school English teacher who worked at FORD before becoming a teacher.  I worked as a substitute teacher for 3 years after working in construction for 44 years, 36 of those years as a commercial construction estimator & project manager.  And like me, many teachers worked their way through college.

 

Ok, you really just supported what I was saying.  College education + real world experience is, in my opinion, the makings of better teachers than those who go to college simply to learn to teach children, with no real world experience doing anything like what you have referenced.
 

peepee » 18 May 2022, 6:52 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 6:52 am

...stfu about the phony bankster-manufactured 'left and right'  , retard....learn about ((((((THE MONEY))))) and stfu until you do, tuckertard and hannitard... just a thought... 

Sorry, I don't read or write Dopeish.
 

Skans » 17 May 2022, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 9:18 am

What's the best way to combat leftism?
1.  Retake our education system, purge it of all liberals and leftists and fill the rolls with real educators, conservatives and strict constructionists?
2.  By force - i.e. violent revolution?
3.  By exclusivity movements - clubs, organizations, societies, churches, etc. which have strict sets of rules prohibiting globalists, liberals and leftists?
4.  By capturing and manipulating technology against the proliferation of leftism?

Other thoughts are welcome.

Can we start with your definition of 'leftists' and 'liberals'?
Are they the same thing to you?

AnnoyedLiberall » 18 May 2022, 8:12 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 8:12 am

Can we start with your definition of 'leftists' and 'liberals'?
Are they the same thing to you?

Leftists and Liberals are not the same thing.  Leftists are those who ardently believe in socialism, communism, so-called "democratic" socialism, and belong to or support hard-left groups like BLM, Antifa, Militant Homosexuals, etc.

Liberals are those who like to pander to perpetually "victimized" Blacks, Homosexuals, Atheists, Criminals, Drug users, Illegal Aliens, etc. wokely criticizing anyone who doesn't have "empathy" for these so-called downtrodden non-productive individuals. These are usually elitists who feel guilty about the wealth they come from created by others.
 
 

supraTruth » 18 May 2022, 3:45 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 3:45 am

NOT TRUE!  I had a GREAT high school English teacher who worked at FORD before becoming a teacher.  I worked as a substitute teacher for 3 years after working in construction for 44 years, 36 of those years as a commercial construction estimator & project manager.  And like me, many teachers worked their way through college.

U UNEDUCATED RNC tCON SCUM JUST WANT IGNORANT RACIST DUMBASSES WITH ******* OPINIONS INDOCTRINATING KIDS WITH REALLY STOOOPID ASSHOLE IDEAS!

 

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Skans » 18 May 2022, 8:26 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 8:26 am

Leftists and Liberals are not the same thing.  Leftists are those who ardently believe in socialism, communism, so-called "democratic" socialism, and belong to or support hard-left groups like BLM, Antifa, Militant Homosexuals, etc.

Liberals are those who like to pander to perpetually "victimized" Blacks, Homosexuals, Atheists, Criminals, Drug users, Illegal Aliens, etc. wokely criticizing anyone who doesn't have "empathy" for these so-called downtrodden non-productive individuals. These are usually elitists who feel guilty about the wealth they come from created by others.
 
 

Thank you.
While I disagree with your definition of liberals, I respect your honesty.
I think we need to take all talk of gender and sexuality out of schools.
It has no place there.
I think all teachers need to be held accountable for trying to mold children's minds either right or left.
That's a parents job.
I also think we should teach real history.
But, I know conservatives don't want the real history of this country taught.
That's perhaps another thread entirely.

Skans » 17 May 2022, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 9:18 am

What's the best way to combat leftism?
1.  Retake our education system, purge it of all liberals and leftists and fill the rolls with real educators, conservatives and strict constructionists?
2.  By force - i.e. violent revolution?
3.  By exclusivity movements - clubs, organizations, societies, churches, etc. which have strict sets of rules prohibiting globalists, liberals and leftists?
4.  By capturing and manipulating technology against the proliferation of leftism?

Other thoughts are welcome.

Combatting anything would first require "defining your enemy".

You haven't spent much time on that.

Ours is not a battle between "left" and "right", it is between Reason and Slack Jawed Credulity.