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Annoyed Liberall » 18 May 2022, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 8:40 am

Thank you.
While I disagree with your definition of liberals, I respect your honesty.
I think we need to take all talk of gender and sexuality out of schools.
It has no place there.
I think all teachers need to be held accountable for trying to mold children's minds either right or left.
That's a parents job.
I also think we should teach real history.
But, I know conservatives don't want the real history of this country taught.
That's perhaps another thread entirely.

you confuse loyalty with honesty or should I say honestly believing nobody knows how biology works evolving in series parallel compounding DNA results present.

AnnoyedLiberall » 18 May 2022, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 8:40 am

Thank you.
While I disagree with your definition of liberals, I respect your honesty.

Fair enough.  I do, however, note that you do not refute the way I defined the two terms.  But, that's possibly because you realize that would not further the discussion.

I think we need to take all talk of gender and sexuality out of schools.

I agree to some extent. I think certain activities, like high school dances, proms, homecoming, may still have a place. Also, I think it would be impossible to scrub gender out of books.  Also, dress codes tend to fall along gender lines. Making everything completely gender neutral would be a big mistake, but I do not believe that is what you are suggesting.  I'm just pointing out that on some level this needs to be addressed rationally. 

I think all teachers need to be held accountable for trying to mold children's minds either right or left.
That's a parents job.

I completely agree. Personal politics have no place in schools at all.

I also think we should teach real history.

Real History, now there's a baited phrase if there ever was one.  In England, some schools still require that their students memorize the English Monarchs. So, what do you define as "Real History"?  Also, how many semesters do you want dedicated to teaching history?  Some folks pursue post-graduate degrees in history focusing on just American Slavery, or the Algonquin Indians, military tactics of Jefferson Davis, or the reign of King Henry VIII.  Limited time.....limited young minds.....trying to keep things neutral, yet cover 1600's to 2022.  That's a tall order, Chief.
 
 

Skans » 18 May 2022, 9:05 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 9:05 am

Real History, now there's a baited phrase if there ever was one.  In England, some schools still require that their students memorize the English Monarchs. So, what do you define as "Real History"?  Also, how many semesters do you want dedicated to teaching history?  Some folks pursue post-graduate degrees in history focusing on just American Slavery, or the Algonquin Indians, military tactics of Jefferson Davis, or the reign of King Henry VIII.  Limited time.....limited young minds.....trying to keep things neutral, yet cover 1600's to 2022.  That's a tall order, Chief.

Real history.
Not just American history.
World history.
What is appropriate for the age of the child.
My kids' high school history books barely touched on Native Americans (except to say they welcomed us with open arms).
That's at the high school level.
I know there is a limit to what they can cover. I totally get that.
But, we have to be honest about CRT.
That is not being taught in any high schools.
Maybe some areas of it are covered, but the discipline itself is not being taught.
Truthfully, I don't think most parents know what goes on in classrooms day to day.
They hear something bad or outrageous and lose their ****.
Ours is a sheep culture.

omh » 18 May 2022, 8:50 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 8:50 am

you confuse loyalty with honesty or should I say honestly believing nobody knows how biology works evolving in series parallel compounding DNA results present.

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Skans » 18 May 2022, 7:59 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 7:59 am

Actually, you can have utility, i.e. personal satisfaction, if you die to save your son's life. In this case, it would be a simple set of supply and demand curves where the equilibrium is the price of your life for your son's. Or, if you believe your life is more valuable than your son's I believe this could also be graphed with a vertical supply curve and a vertical demand curve. But, that's probably not accurate either, more likely it would simply be two independent points in the ++ quadrant of the graph.

Prior to the bit about one's son, your example fits. Paying any price no matter how high in order to keep obtaining positive utility. No diminishing returns either because the good, air, is necessity and therefore you are never counterbalancing desire and resources. 

You would have to have two separate demand curves in your situation. The math does not work out for two situations that are opposed to each other. 

back to the topic, when class would start i would ask the simplest of questions such as what other options do you have besides sitting in this classroom? This illustrates opportunity cost. The glazed over looks were astounding to me. 

 

Skans » 18 May 2022, 8:05 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 8:05 am

Sorry, I don't read or write Dopeish.

...don't sell yourself short....you are world champion-level at 'dopeish,' trumptard...   
 

Skans » 18 May 2022, 9:05 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 9:05 am

Fair enough.  I do, however, note that you do not refute the way I defined the two terms.  But, that's possibly because you realize that would not further the discussion.

I agree to some extent. I think certain activities, like high school dances, proms, homecoming, may still have a place. Also, I think it would be impossible to scrub gender out of books.  Also, dress codes tend to fall along gender lines. Making everything completely gender neutral would be a big mistake, but I do not believe that is what you are suggesting.  I'm just pointing out that on some level this needs to be addressed rationally. 

I completely agree. Personal politics have no place in schools at all.

Real History, now there's a baited phrase if there ever was one.  In England, some schools still require that their students memorize the English Monarchs. So, what do you define as "Real History"?  Also, how many semesters do you want dedicated to teaching history?  Some folks pursue post-graduate degrees in history focusing on just American Slavery, or the Algonquin Indians, military tactics of Jefferson Davis, or the reign of King Henry VIII.  Limited time.....limited young minds.....trying to keep things neutral, yet cover 1600's to 2022.  That's a tall order, Chief.

   
...get to the point, dumb@ss!.... you won't be happy until your particular [stooooooooopid f@ck] iteration of 'conservative republicanism' controls government schooling... little do you know but you're just another authoritardian monetary ignoramus and dimwit with an    opinion...word...   
  
 

Skans » 18 May 2022, 8:00 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 8:00 am

.....or alternatively selling their body parts to the Chinese?

Yeah, I must admit this is a far better idea.

But we should sell them only the spare parts we ourselves have a surplus of !

For many body spare parts we have a shortage too, ya know !

Vegas » 17 May 2022, 2:02 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 2:02 pm

The teachers will never get paid enough for the **** they deal with.
They get treated like crap by...well, everyone.
The admin, the parents, the students...the social media warriors.
You couldn't pay me enough to endure that crap.

That is true for the whole western hemisphere !
And no amount of salary will change that !

So how do you expect them to enforce discipline, like once upon a time in the west ?
They'd end up in jail on their first attempt, charged with abuse of a minor !

When I was in school, in my early teens, there was something called  "authority"  that a teacher emanated.
 

Skans » 17 May 2022, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 9:18 am

What's the best way to combat leftism?
 

Truth, facts, data, science.
 

Warcok » 17 May 2022, 2:04 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 2:04 pm

2. By force - i.e. violent revolution

Leftist progs need to be gun down like those chimps In buffalo. Shoot'em where you find'em ✌

I also think this is the only possible / viable solution .

Liberalism is just like a tumor  . . .  if you don't remove it  . . .  it'll keep on spreading  . . .  inexorably !
It's like a parasite eating the host body from within .

No **** !

Skans » 17 May 2022, 2:41 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 2:41 pm

Sorry, you don't make the cut little buddy.  You won't be teaching anyone anything. 

                       

omh » 17 May 2022, 2:43 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 2:43 pm

you made up the grade that doesn't come with evolving in plain sight.

You forgot to add  . . .  "from cradle to grave" !

DeplorablePatriot » 17 May 2022, 2:50 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 2:50 pm

I can't comment on the way I'd like to combat it.

Why, if I may ask ?

Xavier_Onassis » 17 May 2022, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 3:32 pm

Liberals are teachers  . . .  because  . . .  they empathize with children.  

That too  . . .  but first and foremost they sexually abuse them !

Jinn Martini » 18 May 2022, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 11:54 am

You forgot to add  . . .  "from cradle to grave" !

for each individual ancestor living in series parallel time evolving in plain sight of themselves surrounded by everything doing the same thing, evolving now as specifically here behaving exactly as the future arrives.

Welcome to eternal hell of intellectual self fulfilling prophecies. You call it humanity.

JinnMartini » 18 May 2022, 11:55 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 11:55 am

Why, if I may ask ?

ha ha ha -smart arss.  

JinnMartini » 18 May 2022, 11:55 am » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 11:55 am

Why, if I may ask ?

What did I just write? There's your answer. I know what you're searching for though.
 

DeplorablePatriot » 18 May 2022, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑

18 May 2022, 12:24 pm

What did I just write? There's your answer. 

wow, you leaped into time is stationary mode. you haven't said anything in a rotation of the planet and your first part says just write? Where is your intellectual time relativity?

GHETTOBLASTER » 17 May 2022, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

17 May 2022, 3:44 pm

Once SHTF DAY arrives..imagine how much fun we're gonna have...!!