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Blackvegetable » 27 Jun 2022, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:17 pm

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 12:16 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:16 pm

@Blackvegetable

Shorty,


If the SP1 is a design DISTINCT from the AR-15, why is the part STAMPED "COLT AR-15 Model: SP1"?

 

This has been explained to you numerous times.  When Colt acquired the rights to the Armalite Rifle 15 they changed the name to Colt c601 which the government then branded M16.  They still retained rights to the name AR 15 and applied to the semi auto that was not designed for the battlefield.  Spend less time with strike thru and more time reading.

Acknowledge you have been answered, AGAIN, answer the questions you are running from, and tell me this:

If the SP1 was designed for the battlefield, was really an M16, why the different lower with different branding?  Makes no sense from a business standpoint. 

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 12:22 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:22 pm

This has been explained to you numerous times.  When Colt acquired the rights to the Armalite Rifle 15 they changed the name to Colt c601 which the government then branded M16.  They still retained rights to the name AR 15 and applied to the semi auto that was not designed for the battlefield.  Spend less time with strike thru and more time reading.

Acknowledge you have been answered, AGAIN, answer the questions you are running from, and tell me this:

If the SP1 was designed for the battlefield, was really an M16, why the different lower with different branding?  Makes no sense from a business standpoint.
 

applied to the semi auto that was not designed for the battlefield

It was modified.

There was no "civilian design".

Blackvegetable » 27 Jun 2022, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:44 pm

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 12:22 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:22 pm

This has been explained to you numerous times.  When Colt acquired the rights to the Armalite Rifle 15 they changed the name to Colt c601 which the government then branded M16.  They still retained rights to the name AR 15 and applied to the semi auto that was not designed for the battlefield.  Spend less time with strike thru and more time reading.

Acknowledge you have been answered, AGAIN, answer the questions you are running from, and tell me this:

If the SP1 was designed for the battlefield, was really an M16, why the different lower with different branding?  Makes no sense from a business standpoint.

 

applied to the semi auto that was not designed for the battlefield

It was modified.

There was no "civilian design".

 

You have unanswered questions.  You need to rethink who never answers questions. 

Tell me the differences in the two lowers I provided for you.  

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:18 pm

GO read that citation you struck thru, moron.  You never said anything about Remington.  Stoner went to Remington.  Remington got it right because the army wanted a lighter round with more velocity.

If you had read the citation you would see that the .223 was first the.222.  And to kick it off it is really a .224

Shorty,

We need to revisit my argument, which you seem incapable of grasping.

The .223 and 5.56 are rounds SPECIFICALLY developed to maximize the efficiency of the AR-15.



 

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 12:47 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:47 pm

You have unanswered questions.  You need to rethink who never answers questions. 

Tell me the differences in the two lowers I provided for you.

No, I don't....

This thing is stapled shut.

You have answered no questions, and don't even understand the argument.

All your citations have confirmed what I've told you.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx4VnclzHjJO ... u1MkvKudu8
 

Blackvegetable » 27 Jun 2022, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:49 pm

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:18 pm

GO read that citation you struck thru, moron.  You never said anything about Remington.  Stoner went to Remington.  Remington got it right because the army wanted a lighter round with more velocity.

If you had read the citation you would see that the .223 was first the.222.  And to kick it off it is really a .224

Shorty,

We need to revisit my argument, which you seem incapable of grasping.

The .223 and 5.56 are rounds SPECIFICALLY developed to maximize the efficiency of the AR-15.



 

 

The round was improved on to maximize the efficiency of the ARMALITE RIFLE 15 which became the M16.  



 

Blackvegetable » 27 Jun 2022, 12:50 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:50 pm

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 12:47 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:47 pm

You have unanswered questions.  You need to rethink who never answers questions. 

Tell me the differences in the two lowers I provided for you.

No, I don't....

This thing is stapled shut.

You have answered no questions, and don't even understand the argument.

All your citations have confirmed what I've told you.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx4VnclzHjJO ... u1MkvKudu8
 

 

Now you are flat out lying.  Which you always do in defeat.  I answered your questions all morning.  You still can't tell me the differences in the lowers nor can you explain if they are the same rifle, designed for the battlefield, they would have two different lowers.  

Because they are different.  One was designed for civilians, the other designed under the army definition of an assault rifle for the battlefield.

The difference between the two is one has a selector that goes from safe/semi/auto.  The other has safe/fire.  One is branded COLT M16.  The other COLT AR 15.  One is branded .223 for caliber.  The other 5.56.  One has Model SP1.  

 

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:57 pm

Now you are flat out lying.  Which you always do in defeat.  I answered your questions all morning.  You still can't tell me the differences in the lowers nor can you explain if they are the same rifle, designed for the battlefield, they would have two different lowers.  

Because they are different.  One was designed for civilians, the other designed under the army definition of an assault rifle for the battlefield.

The difference between the two is one has a selector that goes from safe/semi/auto.  The other has safe/fire.  One is branded COLT M16.  The other COLT AR 15.  One is branded .223 for caliber.  The other 5.56.  One has Model SP1.

The difference between the two is one has a selector that goes from safe/semi/auto.  The other has safe/fire.  One is branded COLT M16.  The other COLT AR 15.  One is branded .223 for caliber.  The other 5.56.  One has Model SP1.

They are all VARIANTS of the AR-15 design.
 

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 12:57 pm

Now you are flat out lying.  Which you always do in defeat.  I answered your questions all morning.  You still can't tell me the differences in the lowers nor can you explain if they are the same rifle, designed for the battlefield, they would have two different lowers.  

Because they are different.  One was designed for civilians, the other designed under the army definition of an assault rifle for the battlefield.

The difference between the two is one has a selector that goes from safe/semi/auto.  The other has safe/fire.  One is branded COLT M16.  The other COLT AR 15.  One is branded .223 for caliber.  The other 5.56.  One has Model SP1.

U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara was almost a decade into the Vietnam War and had to face three facts:

1. The M14 could not compete with the enemy’s AK-47.
2. The AR-15 consistently outperformed both the M14 and the AK-47 in testing.
3. M14 production simply couldn’t meet the demands of the U.S. Military.

McNamara approved the rifle and it was adopted as the M16 (or as the M16A1 or XM16E1 for the variant with forward assist).

 The semi-automatic version of the Colt AR-15 for civilian and police use hit store shelves in 1964.

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/ar15-vs-m4-difference/

Blackvegetable » 27 Jun 2022, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 1:11 pm

They are all VARIANTS of the AR-15 design.

But not all are designed for the battlefield.

Blackvegetable » 27 Jun 2022, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 1:17 pm

U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara was almost a decade into the Vietnam War and had to face three facts:

1. The M14 could not compete with the enemy’s AK-47.
2. The AR-15 consistently outperformed both the M14 and the AK-47 in testing.
3. M14 production simply couldn’t meet the demands of the U.S. Military.

McNamara approved the rifle and it was adopted as the M16 (or as the M16A1 or XM16E1 for the variant with forward assist).

 The semi-automatic version of the Colt AR-15 for civilian and police use hit store shelves in 1964.

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/ar15-vs-m4-difference/

yes, I have used that link before.  It is a shame you don’t understand what you are reading.

 

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 2:35 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 2:35 pm

yes, I have used that link before.  It is a shame you don’t understand what you are reading.

Post the part you insist I'm not getting...

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 2:34 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 2:34 pm

But not all are designed for the battlefield.

There is only 1 design.

 
 

Blackvegetable » 27 Jun 2022, 2:50 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 2:50 pm

There is only 1 design.

And yet two, distinct lowers with different function.  That’s why you ignore and run from those pics.

       

Blackvegetable » 27 Jun 2022, 2:49 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 2:49 pm

Post the part you insist I'm not getting...

That the Armalite Rifle 15 that became the Colt M16 are not the same weapon as the COLT AR 15 SP1. 

That is why there are two different lowers.  If there was ONE design you would not need two different lowers.

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 2:58 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 2:58 pm

That the Armalite Rifle 15 that became the Colt M16 are not the same weapon as the COLT AR 15 SP1. 

That is why there are two different lowers.  If there was ONE design you would not need two different lowers.

Mid 20th-21st century. The AR-15 Sporter-1 (SP1) is a semi-automatic variant of the AR-15 series of assault rifles. It was produced by Colt, the same manufacturer of the military M16 on the same production lines as the military rifle.

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/AR-15_Sport ... y%20rifle.



 

Huey » 27 Jun 2022, 2:54 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 2:54 pm

And yet two, distinct lowers with different function.  That’s why you ignore and run from those pics.

     

All this because you cannot distinguish DESIGN from VARIANT. 

www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploa ... auto-Sp01-
 

:rofl:  

Blackvegetable » 27 Jun 2022, 3:03 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 3:03 pm

Mid 20th-21st century. The AR-15 Sporter-1 (SP1) is a semi-automatic variant of the AR-15 series of assault rifles. It was produced by Colt, the same manufacturer of the military M16 on the same production lines as the military rifle.

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/AR-15_Sport ... y%20rifle.

No ****.  

Variant:

a form or version of something that differs in some respect from other forms of the same thing or from 

That is why there are two separate lowers.  Because they differ.   Variant does mean “the same”.

That is all not relevant to the subject.  None of those weapons were used nor was the ammo designed for the military used.  

 

Blackvegetable » 27 Jun 2022, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jun 2022, 3:20 pm

www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploa ... auto-Sp01-

Your link doesn’t work.