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Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 8:52 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 8:52 am

Why do you lie about having read this citation?

https://www.library.ucdavis.edu/exhibit ... -violence/

Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 8:52 am » wrote: ↑

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Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 8:50 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 8:50 am

What part has got your panties in twist?  Now, back to the pictures.  When you look at them remember your rant about 5.56.  And then tell me the other differences.

Why do you lie about having read this citation?

https://www.library.ucdavis.edu/exhibit ... -violence/

 

Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 8:37 am » wrote: ↑

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Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 8:32 am » wrote: ↑

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Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 8:28 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 8:28 am

I did.  It did not discuss the Colt SP1 which was chambered .223.

What was the 1st Assault Rifle?

Don't know.  It is not on the lists I gave you, You struck thru them.  

Take a look at this and tell me the difference:

Look very very carefully. 

Orignal M16 lower:


 
Orginal SP1 Lower:



 

 

Blackvegetable » 12 Jun 2022, 3:47 pm » wrote: ↑

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Huey » 12 Jun 2022, 3:37 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2022, 3:37 pm

And the coup de grace:

An AR 15 semi auto bolt carrier group does not have that lug. In fact, it’s cut off. This results in a lighter weight BCG and that’s the primary advantage of semi-auto BCGs. At least it was way back before every company out there produced lightweight full auto rated BCGs.

@Blackvegetable  

What have you learned?  You learned that a full auto BCG does not make an AR 15 full auto,

And you learned that the original AR 15 had a different BCG than the Stoner Design.

I told you that years ago but you didn’t listen.  Now you are just embarrassing yourself.

Now let's get back to what I've said.

I've said that the AR 15 rifle was designed for a specific, entirely non-civilian, purpose.

Though some people slap AR15 on anything, it technically refers to any firearm based on the AR 15 DESIGN.

To further the disassociation from civilian use, the platform is designed to use a SPECIFIC round, maximizing its military function. In fact, the round is even so labeled.

There is no discreet DESIGN for semi auto AR 15 style firearms, they use the Stoner design, with certain modifications.

This constitutes a VARIANT, NOT a DESIGN.


You've argued that the M4 is not based on the AR15. This is comically uninformed as the M4 is a variant of the M16.

Period. End of story.

Nod.
 

 

Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 8:58 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 8:58 am

@Blackvegetable  

Still waiting.   I can tell you that the SP1 was not an assault rifle.

Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 9:00 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:00 am

The SP1 was chambered for the .223 because it was sold as a hunting rifle.  Not 5.56.  You have been shown this.

Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 8:57 am

Why are  you afraid to tell me what part is important to you?  Make your point.

Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 9:00 am » wrote: ↑

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Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 8:58 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 8:58 am

@Blackvegetable  

Still waiting.   I can tell you that the SP1 was not an assault rifle.

You have no idea what "assault rifle" means, "armorer".

 

Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 9:03 am » wrote: ↑

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Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 8:57 am

Why are  you afraid to tell me what part is important to you?  Make your point.

I want to know why you lie about everything. 

 

Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 9:04 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:04 am

I read it. What part are you claiming supports your argument?

Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 9:10 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:10 am

Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 9:04 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:04 am

I read it. What part are you claiming supports your argument?

No, you didn't. 

Had you done so you wouldn't confuse "machine gun" and "assault rifle", and you'd be able to identify the first "assault rifle".

You suck at lying, Sheilagh,  because you are very stupid.

• It must be capable of selective fire.
• It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, examples of intermediate cartridges are the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62×39mm and 5.56×45mm NATO.
• Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.[5]
• It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).

• Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.

Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 9:03 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:03 am

I want to know why you lie about everything. 

Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:15 am

A light machine gun.

Any way, from the US Army definition of an assault rifle

The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."[18] In this strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

• It must be capable of selective fire.
• It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, examples of intermediate cartridges are the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62×39mm and 5.56×45mm NATO.
• Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.[5]
• It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).

Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are not assault rifles according to the U.S. Army's definition. For example:

• Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#Definition

Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

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Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:15 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#Definition[/s]

Read the citation.

• It must be capable of selective fire.
• It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, examples of intermediate cartridges are the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62×39mm and 5.56×45mm NATO.
• Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.[5]
• It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).

• Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.

Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:20 am

I think YOU did not read the citation.  I got the idea to post that FROM THE END OF THE CITATION!!!!    

But anyway, the Army does not think it is an assault weapon.

Any way, from the US Army definition of an assault rifle

The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."[18] In this strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

• It must be capable of selective fire.
• It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, examples of intermediate cartridges are the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62×39mm and 5.56×45mm NATO.
• Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.[5]
• It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).

Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are not assault rifles according to the U.S. Army's definition. For example:

• Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#Definition

Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:18 am

Read the citation. 

Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:18 am

Read the citation.

Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 9:21 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:21 am

What was the 1st "assault rifle"?

Blackvegetable » 14 Jun 2022, 9:01 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:01 am

Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 9:00 am » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 9:00 am

The SP1 was chambered for the .223 because it was sold as a hunting rifle.  Not 5.56.  You have been shown this.

Read the citation. 

 

Huey » 14 Jun 2022, 2:02 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jun 2022, 2:02 pm

The citation does not discuss the SP1.